Name: 噓響警笛如何成為非暴力抵抗的手段？— Maria J. Stephan (How Blowing A Whistle Is An Act Of Nonviolent Resistance - Maria J. Stephan)
Uploaded: 2026-01-23T17:38:02.000Z
Duration: 6 min 20 s

My next guest tonight is a scholar of nonviolent resistance who has worked with movements all around the world and is co author of the book why Civil Resistance works.

今晚我的下一位來賓，是一位研究非暴力抵抗的學者，她曾與世界各地的運動合作，也是《Why Civil Resistance Works》這本書的共同作者。

I'm so glad it's you, about the idea of nonviolent resistance, because I knew at some point during the second term there would be a rebirth of some sort of resistance movement to the overreaches of the Trump administration.

我很高興是您，關於非暴力抵抗這個想法，因為我知道在第二任期內，遲早會出現某種形式的抵抗運動，來對抗川普政府的越權行為。

And I know that people are hungry for tools, ways to do this in ethical ways that fit with our own morals.

我知道大家渴望獲得工具，渴望能以合乎道德的方式，並且符合我們道德觀的方式來做到這點。

And nonviolent resistance could definitely be one of those ways people will resist authoritarianism.

而非暴力抵抗絕對是人們抵抗威權主義的其中一種方式。

Let's talk about the ways people can resist.

我們來談談人們可以抵抗的方式。

You've spent decades studying nonviolent resistance to authoritarianism.

您花了數十年研究抵抗威權主義的非暴力抵抗。

Well, Stephen, thank you for having me on the show.

嗯，Stephen，謝謝你邀請我上節目。

What a necessary time to be talking about nonviolence and nonviolent resistance.

現在真是個討論非暴力和非暴力抵抗的關鍵時刻。

Yes, and we are seeing nonviolent resistance blossoming all across this country.

是的，我們看到非暴力抵抗在這個國家各地蓬勃發展。

And I'm especially thinking of Minneapolis right now in Minnesota, and

我現在特別想到明尼蘇達州的明尼亞波利斯，

the profoundly courageous, tenacious, deeply loving ways that communities are organizing, protesting, protecting their neighbors, all using nonviolent resistance.

以及社區們組織、抗議、保護鄰居的，那種極度勇敢、堅韌、充滿愛的方式，全都是使用非暴力抵抗。

How would you define nonviolent resistance?

So nonviolent resistance is a powerful form of collective action.

所以非暴力抵抗是一種強大的集體行動形式。

It's where ordinary people coordinate a range of different tactics.

這是普通人協調各種不同策略的方式。

Protests, boycotts, strikes, walkouts, mutual aid to build power, to disrupt injustices, and to liberate themselves from oppression.

像是抗議、抵制、罷工、罷課、互助來建立力量，來打破不公，並從壓迫中解放自己。

So it's a way of fighting back without the threat or use of violence.

所以這是一種不威脅或使用暴力來反擊的方式。

好的，那現在人們可以做些什麼呢？

有沒有什麼簡單的工具是人們可以用的？

Well, you know, I've got in my pocket here, Stephen, a whistle.

嗯，你知道的，我這裡口袋裡，Stephen，有一個哨子。

So what people are doing is they are organizing neighborhood groups.

所以人們正在做的是組織鄰裡團體。

They are taking Know youw Rights trainings.

他們正在接受「認識你的權利」訓練。

And one of those ways is blowing a whistle to let their neighbors know that ICE is there and that they are there to stand with them and to defend them.

而其中一種方式就是吹哨子，讓鄰居知道 ICE 在這裡，他們會和他們站在一起，保護他們。

It's not only a good warning, but it's oddly cheerful.

它不僅是個好警告，而且還出奇地令人愉快。

I feel like Thomas the Tank Engine has joined the resistance.

我覺得湯瑪士小火車加入了抵抗運動。

Let's talk about things like a general strike Has America.

我們來談談像總罷工之類的事情，美國。

It's a very European thing to have a general strike.

Has America ever engaged in a general strike?

But I can say what's happening this Friday on January 23rd, there is an ICE out of Minnesota day of action.

但我可以說，這個星期五 1 月 23 號，會有一個「ICE 撤離明尼蘇達」行動日。

It's a shutdown day where people will be staying home from work, they won't be going to school, they'll be refusing to participate in economic activities.

這是一個關閉日，大家會待在家裡不出門，不上學，拒絕參與經濟活動。

And they're calling on Americans across the country to show solidarity.

And one of the problems with Minnesota right now is you have people like Kristi Noem or the people who are heading up ICE saying that it's not non violent resistance.

而明尼蘇達現在的問題之一是，你們有像 Kristi Noem 或 ICE 的領導者說，這不是非暴力抵抗。

They're saying someone like Renee Goode was actually a threat to those people or that filming an ICE agent.

他們說像 Renee Goode 這樣的人其實對那些人構成威脅，或是拍攝 ICE 官員。

And I said documenting, which is perfectly legal, is a form of threat and therefore they're justified to use what they say, violence in return to the threat of violence from these people.

我說記錄，這是完全合法的，卻是一種威脅，所以他們認為自己有權使用他們所說的，以暴力回擊這些人的暴力威脅。

What do you do when what your non violent action is perceived of or called violence by the people who can use violence against you?

當你的非暴力行動被那些可以對你使用暴力的人視為或稱為暴力時，你該怎麼辦？

Declaring peaceful protesters violent or domestic terrorists or outside agitators is what autocrats all around the world do.

將和平抗議者稱為暴力分子、國內恐怖分子或外部煽動者，是全世界獨裁者都會做的事。

That is their playbook, is to make people fearful and to try to undermine the legitimacy of protesters.

這是他們的劇本，就是要讓人民感到恐懼，並試圖削弱抗議者的正當性。

And so what are we seeing in Minneapolis right now?

那麼，我們現在在明尼亞波利斯看到的是什麼？

What have we seen in our history in this country?

我們在這個國家的歷史上又看到了什麼？

Profound state violence used against protesters.

對抗議者使用了嚴重的國家暴力。

They prepared, they trained, they role played, they organized, all to make that political violence backfire.

他們準備、訓練、角色扮演、組織，都是為了讓政治暴力適得其反。

想想塞爾瑪（Selma）那場和平遊行。

So when peaceful discipline protesters confronted the, you know, the dogs, the hoses, the response, it revealed the cruelty when the disciplined protesters were faced with this form of violence.

所以，當紀律嚴明的和平抗議者面對，你知道的，那些狗、水柱時，這種回應揭露了紀律嚴明的抗議者面對這種暴力時的殘酷。

And so that's how disciplined nonviolent resistance can make state violence, repression backfire.

這就是紀律嚴明的非暴力抵抗如何能讓國家暴力和鎮壓適得其反。

They know that nonviolent resistance is something they can't handle.

他們知道非暴力抵抗是他們無法應付的。

So they'll do anything in their power to undermine the legitimacy of these protesters, to call them domestic terrorists, to foment violence so that they can justify crackdowns.

所以他們會盡一切力量破壞這些抗議者的合法性，稱他們為國內恐怖分子，煽動暴力，以便他們能為鎮壓辯護。

They are prepared, they're disciplined, they're trained.

他們做好了準備，他們有紀律，他們受過訓練。

It's sticking in my head a quote from Rebecca Goode, the widow of Renee Goode, who said, they show up with guns, we show up with whistles.

蕾貝卡·古德（Rebecca Goode）的這句話一直縈繞在我腦海裡，她是雷內·古德（Renee Goode）的遺孀，她說：「他們帶著槍來，我們帶著哨子去。」

We're right back with more Maria Stephan.

我們馬上回來，繼續聽 Maria Stephan 的分享。