Name: MAGA 支持者：自我驅逐並不可怕，他們能得到 1,000 美元和一張免費機票 (MAGA supporter: Self-deportations are not scary, they get $1K and a free plane ticket)
Uploaded: 2025-07-18T16:50:54.000Z
Duration: 8 min 3 s

When the Trump administration says that they're sending the worst of the worst there, why are they sending people with no criminal records?

當特朗普政府說要把最壞的人送去那裡時，他們為什麼要把沒有犯罪記錄的人送去？

基礎被動語態

Well, listen, I, first of all, when I was in the State Senate, we had a ICE detention facility in my district, I was I was involved with several aspects of you know, the different things that have to be done and the grants that were required and the and the upgrades they had.

聽著，首先，我在州參議院任職時，我所在的選區有一個移民和海關執法局的拘留所，我參與了幾個方面的工作，你知道，必須做的不同事情，以及所需的撥款和他們的升級。

Every federal detention facility, every one of them goes through the same exact stringent requirements.

每一個聯邦拘留所，都要通過同樣嚴格的要求。

These people are getting three hots in a cot.

這些人在一張小床上睡了三個小時。

They're not they're not being abused or not being tortured.

They're getting better conditions than I had when my team lived in Afghanistan.

他們的條件比我的團隊住在阿富汗時還要好。

And so the reality is the idea that they are somehow being abused as people having their humanity stripped from them is a misnomer.

是以，"他們在某種程度上受到虐待，被剝奪了人性 "的說法是錯誤的。

I do not have to walk in the door to know what the requirements are.

我不需要進門就知道有什麼要求。

No abomination, according to the real Congress.

Look, let me read the first let me say one thing.

聽著，讓我先讀一下，讓我說一件事。

First, yeah, the Trump administration says what you're saying.

首先，是的，特朗普政府就是這麼說的。

But the lawmakers who visited say other things.

但是，到訪的立法者們卻說了另外一些話。

Here is one Venezuelan detainee who spoke to the Associated Press and said that the conditions in which we are living are inhuman.

這裡有一位委內瑞拉被拘留者，他在接受美聯社採訪時說，我們的生活條件是不人道的。

I said the detainee from phone from the facility.

我說被拘留者是從拘留所打來的電話。

My main concern is the psychological pressure that they are putting on people to sign their self deportation.

我最擔心的是他們對人們施加的心理壓力，迫使他們簽署自我驅逐令。

The man who asked not to be identified for fear of reprisals characterized the cells as zoo cages with eight beds each teaming with mosquitoes, crickets and frogs.

這名男子因害怕遭到報復而不願透露自己的身份，他形容這些牢房就像動物園的籠子，每個籠子有八張床，裡面有蚊子、蟋蟀和青蛙。

He says they're locked up 24 hours a day with no windows, no way to know the time.

他說，他們一天 24 小時都被鎖在裡面，沒有窗戶，無法知道時間。

There have also been reports that the lights are on 24 hours a day, people can't sleep.

還有報道稱，24 小時燈火通明，人們無法入睡。

And the implication here is that the they want to create conditions that are so unpleasant that rather than be deported through a process, people just sign away their rights and get sent on a plane and go.

這裡的意思是，他們想創造的條件是如此令人不快，以至於人們與其通過程序被驅逐出境，還不如直接簽字放棄自己的權利，然後被送上飛機走人。

I'm actually horrified about what you just described.

事實上，我對你剛才的描述感到非常震驚。

But I want to attach the biggest because I think due process is a human right.

但我想附上最大的，因為我認為正當程序是一項人權。

Everyone should be treated with dignity and federal detention.

每個人都應受到有尊嚴的對待，並受到聯邦拘留。

But it's the biggest if true ever, because we need to actually verify this.

但這是有史以來最大的 "如果是真的"，因為我們需要實際驗證這一點。

I'm actually seeking to see if I can go this week in I live in Florida, and I'd like to report there myself.

實際上，我正在想這周能否去，因為我住在佛羅里達州，我想親自去那裡報道。

The Democratic lawmakers you have on one hand, the Trump administration officials saying it's fine, it's up to par.

一邊是民主黨議員，一邊是特朗普政府官員說沒問題，符合標準。

On the other hand, these Democrats, I don't really believe anything they say when it comes to Trump, I've had Democrats tell me that net neutrality would end the internet.

另一方面，這些民主黨人，當談到特朗普時，我真的不相信他們說的任何話，民主黨人告訴我，網絡中立會終結互聯網。

I've had members of Congress, Ayanna Pressley, many others say that Trump was bringing back segregation, verbatim say that.

我曾讓國會議員艾安娜-普雷斯利（Ayanna Pressley）和其他許多人逐字逐句地說過，特朗普正在讓種族隔離現象捲土重來。

So the credibility in the bank, I want some independent verification of what's going on in this facility should look the media and I absolutely let the media and why aren't they letting the media and they have let some reporters in for that.

是以，銀行的信譽，我想一些獨立的核查，在這個設施中發生了什麼事，應該看媒體，我絕對讓媒體，他們為什麼不讓媒體，他們已經讓一些記者在這一點上。

They have let some reporters that you can see pictures that show what Debbie Wasserman shows the Congresswoman and Maxwell Frost, the congressman from Florida are saying which is that there's 32 beds in a small area that there's three toilets.

他們讓一些記者看到了照片，照片上顯示了來自佛羅里達州的女議員黛比-沃瑟曼（Debbie Wasserman）和眾議員麥克斯韋爾-弗羅斯特（Maxwell Frost）所說的話，即在一個只有三個廁所的狹小區域內有32張床位。

Those are things that are easily verifiable.

聽著，我只有一個簡單的問題。

If this is supposed to be such a pleasant place, why did they bother to call it alligator Alcatraz?

如果這裡是個令人愉悅的地方，他們為什麼還要把它叫做 "鱷魚惡魔島 "呢？

Why did they bother to put it where it is?

Immigration is performative cruelty as part of a strategy, whether it's sending people to a gulag in El Salvador, whether it's deporting people to places like Sudan, that have no ties to Sudan, where there is a civil war going on, whether it's using military uniform, aircraft, whether it's this alligator Alcatraz, it's about scaring people.

無論是將人們送往薩爾瓦多的古拉格集中營，還是將人們驅逐到蘇丹這樣與蘇丹毫無關係、正在發生內戰的地方，無論是使用軍裝、飛機，還是這隻鱷魚惡魔島，移民都是作為一種戰略的一部分，是為了嚇唬人。

But you know, I, the Donald Trump's numbers, approval numbers on immigration have gone down dramatically.

但你知道，唐納德-特朗普在移民問題上的支持率急劇下降。

And I think part of it is because the American people voted for criminals and gang members to be deported and to be prosecuted and to be gotten rid of.

我認為部分原因是美國人民投票支持將罪犯和幫派成員驅逐出境、起訴和除掉。

What they are seeing is that it's legal permanent residence.

他們看到的是合法的永久居留權。

What they are seeing is that it's mothers and fathers and children and teenagers and people who play with their kids at a school and people who work at farms that then we eat the food.

他們看到的是，母親、父親、兒童、青少年、在學校和孩子一起玩耍的人以及在農場工作的人，然後我們才吃這些食物。

But Trump did promise to do exactly that.

I didn't support it, but he wasn't, he never said, or he may have said it a few times, but his actual platform was always mass deportation, not just the criminals.

我不支持，但他不支持，他從未說過，或者他可能說過幾次，但他的實際綱領始終是大規模驅逐，而不僅僅是驅逐罪犯。

So when people say, I didn't vote for this, you actually kind of did.

是以，當人們說 "我沒有投贊成票 "時，實際上你已經投了。

Well, I guess, I mean, I think you're right that he campaigned on mass deportations, but if you also listen to those rallies, he repeated ad nauseum that these were the worst of the worst, the criminals that they had cleared out their insane and insane asylums, which he seems to think the same thing as asylum.

好吧，我想，我是說，我覺得你說得沒錯，他在競選時主張大規模驅逐出境，但如果你也聽聽那些集會，他就會不厭其煩地重複說，這些都是最壞的人，是他們從瘋人院和瘋人院清理出來的罪犯，他似乎認為這和避難所是一回事。

Let me just read one more thing and Phil, I promise I'll let you in and then I'll let you, you haven't spoken at all.

讓我再讀一段，菲爾，我保證會讓你進來，然後我會讓你進來，你還沒說話呢。

So an immigration attorney, Kate Blankenship said she was turned away after traveling to the remote facility, waiting for hours to speak with clients, including a 15 year old Mexican boy with no criminal charges.

是以，移民律師凱特-布蘭肯希普（Kate Blankenship）說，她在前往偏遠的設施後被拒之門外，等了幾個小時才與客戶交談，其中包括一名沒有刑事指控的 15 歲墨西哥男孩。

Her client, Royo's client, another, another attorney is a 36 year old Mexican man who came to the U.S. as a child, has been at the detention center since July 5th after being picked up for driving with a suspended license.

她的客戶，也就是羅約的客戶，是另一名律師，是一名 36 歲的墨西哥男子，從小來到美國，因駕駛證被吊銷而被逮捕，自 7 月 5 日以來一直被關押在拘留中心。

Another attorney, Ike has been seeking the release of a client in his fifties with no criminal record and a stay of removal, meaning the government cannot legally deport him while he appeals.

另一名律師艾克一直在爭取釋放一名沒有犯罪記錄的五十多歲的客戶，並暫緩遣返，這意味著在他上訴期間，政府不能合法地將他驅逐出境。

Some of them were out here as children and are being sort of pushed into, uh, saying sign away my rights, send me, send me back somewhere.

他們中的一些人從小就在這裡長大，現在被逼無奈，說要放棄我的權利，把我送回某個地方。

Uh, one is the self deportation is, is actually, I mean, they're paying each one a thousand dollars and, and sending them with a free plane ticket.

呃，一個是自我驅逐，實際上，我的意思是，他們支付每個人一千美元，並送他們一張免費機票。

So self deportation is really not a scary thing, but the reality is.

是以，自我驅逐其實並不可怕，但現實卻是如此。

I think the point is like people have lives here.

我認為問題的關鍵在於，人們在這裡有自己的生活。

Maybe some of them are trying to go there.

也許他們中的一些人想去那裡。

The left side of their status, et cetera, portraying somehow that the, the self deportation was somehow weighing in hard and pressing down on people.

他們身份的左側，等等，以某種方式描繪了自我驅逐正在以某種方式重重地壓在人們身上。

It's like saying, Hey, if you'll do it this way, we'll even pay you to go.

這就好像在說：嘿，如果你願意這樣做，我們甚至會付錢讓你去。

這是一張免費機票和一班回家的飛機。

But the reality is we also voted for the numbers at the border.

但現實是，我們也對邊境的人數投了贊成票。

I mean, I, I understand what you're saying, but just remember, we're talking about human beings here.

我明白你的意思，但請記住，我們說的是人。

Some of them have families, they have jobs.

他們中的一些人有家庭、有工作。

I get that too, but I'm just saying the way you're describing it, it's like, just, just get on a plane and here's a thousand dollars.

我也明白，但我想說的是，就像你描述的那樣，只要坐上飛機，這裡就有一千美元。

I mean, we're not talking about, if you put it in context, Barack Obama utilized detention centers, um, not like this, George, George HW Bush used detention centers.

我的意思是，我們不是在談論，如果你把它放在上下文中，巴拉克-奧巴馬利用拘留中心，嗯，不像這樣，喬治，喬治-HW布什使用拘留中心。

And to me, it seems like this is the best way to facilitate removing people who have violated our immigration laws or in our country illegally to send them back home.

在我看來，這是將違反移民法或非法入境者遣送回國的最佳方式。

Now, I would agree with Anna that we shouldn't send people to places where they have no or no family origin at all.

現在，我同意安娜的觀點，我們不應該把人們送到他們沒有或根本沒有家庭來源的地方。

That just makes zero sense to me, but we should absolutely send people back to their, their country of origin and say, there's a process to enter into the United States.

這對我來說毫無意義，但我們絕對應該把人們送回他們的原籍國，並說進入美國需要一個過程。

We cannot be a country that just allows people to come whenever they want.

我們不能成為一個只允許人們想來就來的國家。

A lot of the people that are being held are not here illegally because if you're a legal permanent resident who's being detained because of some traffic issue or because they got, you got caught with weed 20 years ago, you have been here legally as a legal permanent resident.

很多被拘留的人並不是非法居留，因為如果你是合法的永久居民，因為交通問題被拘留，或者因為20年前你被抓到攜帶大麻，你都是作為合法的永久居民合法居留的。

If you have been here under temporary protective status, that is status.

如果您是以臨時保護身份來到這裡的，這就是身份。

If you came in to the country with a parole, you were paroled legally into this country.

如果你是憑假釋來到這個國家的，那麼你就是被合法假釋到這個國家的。