Name: 歐洲人民黨：還不到動用「貿易核武」的時候 | DW 新聞 (European People's Party: Not yet the time for 'trade bazooka' | DW News)
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Here with me is David Mac Allister, member of the European People's Party and Chair of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the European Parliament.

在我身邊的是 David Mac Allister，他是 European People's Party 的成員，也是 European Parliament 外交委員會的主席。

Thank you for joining us, Mr. Mac Allister.

Mac Allister 先生，謝謝你來參加我們的節目。

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Just last week you've still voiced opposition to freezing the US trade deal, wanting to keep channels to Washington open.

就在上週，你還表達了反對凍結美國貿易協議的立場，希望和華盛頓保持溝通管道暢通。

Now, over the weekend, the US President has unilaterally escalated the situation with his announcement of tariffs on multiple European countries.

現在，週末的時候，美國總統單方面宣佈對多個歐洲國家課徵關稅，升高了局勢。

Now your group is in support of freezing the.

Would you say that the time for appeasement politics is over?

你會說綏靖政治的時代已經過去了嗎？

Well, obviously the circumstances have changed fundamentally.

嗯，顯然情況已經有了根本性的改變。

And that's why my group, and also myself, I support that.

這也是為什麼我的黨團，以及我個人，都支持這一點。

The European Parliament will not greenlight the EU US trade deal which was found last summer in Scotland, simply as long as the US President is threatening with unlawful tariffs against allies and partners, the conditions are simply not there.

歐洲議會不會準許在蘇格蘭去年夏天達成的歐盟美國貿易協議，只要美國總統還在威脅對盟友和夥伴課徵非法關稅，條件根本就不存在。

That is the major difference between last week and this week.

這就是上週和本週之間的主要差異。

One option for the EU to play hardball now would be the anti coercion instrument, also known as the trade bazooka.

歐盟現在強硬對抗的一個選項是反脅迫工具，也稱為貿易巴祖卡。

Your group has voiced hesitance to take this step.

您的黨團對採取這一步表達了猶豫。

The high representative and Vice President Kayakalas just said that the European Union will remain calm on the one hand, and

高級代表兼副總統 Kayakalas 剛說，歐洲聯盟一方面會保持冷靜，

on the other hand we will hold our ground.

And this is exactly what the debate is all about.

We are in favour of dialogue and cooperation with the US administration, but

我們贊成與美國政府進行對話與合作，但是

And that's why, on the other hand, we have to be very clear and principled in our position.

所以，另一方面，我們必須非常清楚且堅守我們的立場。

That means solidarity with our EU and NATO member state, the Kingdom of Denmark.

這代表著我們與歐盟和北約成員國丹麥王國站在一起。

The future of Greenland will be decided by the people of Greenland in Greenland in close cooperation with Copenhagen.

格陵蘭的未來將由格陵蘭人民在格陵蘭，與哥本哈根密切合作後決定。

The European leaders will meet on Thursday evening.

歐洲各國領導人將於週四晚間會面。

這二十七位國家和政府的領導人。

I expect them to have a thorough discussion about what has happened in the last few days.

我預期他們會針對這幾天發生的事情進行深入的討論。

This is a substantial challenge, a substantial crisis for the NATO alliance, undoubtedly.

這對北約同盟來說，無疑是一項重大的挑戰、一場重大的危機。

And then the European Commission will present a few options we have.

接著，歐洲委員會將提出幾個我們有的選項。

I just mentioned the first option, that the European Parliament will not greenlight the EU US trade deal.

我剛剛提到了第一個選項，就是歐洲議會不會準許歐盟美國貿易協議。

The second option is that we had already agreed upon counter tariffs worth 93 billion euros six months ago.

第二個選項是，我們在六個月前已經同意了價值九百三十億歐元的反制關稅。

This pause is expiring at the beginning of February.

So this will be a rather simple way to retaliate, targeting important US products like brandy or jeans or Harley Davidson motorcycles, just to name a few.

所以，這將是一種相當簡單的反擊方式，針對像白蘭地、牛仔褲或哈雷機車等重要的美國產品，僅舉幾例。

Let's not forget the European Union is the world's largest single market and Very attractive, not only for American products, but

別忘了，歐洲聯盟是世界上最大的單一市場，非常有吸引力，不只對美國產品，

尤其對美國的服務業更是如此。

所以，在這個階段我們有很多籌碼。

And then we have the antiquation instrument that is, as they call it in Brussels, the bazooka.

然後我們還有這個反脅迫工具，也就是他們在布魯塞爾稱之為「巴祖卡」的工具。

That is an instrument which has never been used, but

這是一個從未使用過的工具，但

it was shaped and designated for a situation where you might feel face economic political blackmail.

它的設計和用途是為了應對你可能會面臨經濟政治脅迫的情況。

這個工具究竟會不會被使用呢？

This is to be decided by the 27 heads of state and government.

這將由27位國家和政府的領導人來決定。

In the moment, I see that there are different opinions among the 27 member states.

目前我看到27個成員國之間有不同的意見。

Hopefully we'll have more clarity after Thursday evening.

希望週四晚上之後，我們能有更清晰的答案。

Well, starting the procedure of even establishing whether there's coercion might take up to four months.

嗯，即使是啟動程序來判斷是否存在脅迫，可能也需要長達四個月的時間。

Would it possibly make sense to already start this period now, just leaving aside for now if you are actually going to use it or not?

現在就開始這個階段，暫時不考慮是否真的要使用它，這樣做會不會有意義呢？

The anti coercion instrument is one possible option.

反脅迫工具是其中一個可能的選項。

Of course, it is a politically fundamental option.

當然，這是一個政治上很重要的選項。

That means it would require the large majority of member states supporting this.

這意味著需要大多數會員國支持。

Let's wait and see what happens on Thursday evening.

我們就等著看看週四晚上會發生什麼事。

And indeed, starting the process is the one thing.

而且，啟動程序是其中一件事。

Until it's fully functional will take weeks or even months.

要讓它完全運作起來需要好幾個星期甚至幾個月。

Nobody in the European Union, at least nobody who has his senses together, is interested in escalating this conflict with the United States.

歐洲聯盟裡沒有人，至少沒有理智清醒的人，有興趣跟美國升高衝突。

We are interested in de escalation and we call on the US Side to come back to where we were before.

我們希望緩和局勢，並呼籲美國回到我們之前的狀態。

We in the NATO alliance and we in the transatlantic alliance, we respect international law, and

我們在北約同盟以及跨大西洋同盟裡，我們尊重國際法，

this includes the territorial sovereignty and integrity of Greenland.

這包括格陵蘭的領土主權和完整性。

There cannot be a debate about this, full stop.

We're hearing from Davos now that Trump is in fact open to talks on Greenland.

我們從達沃斯聽說川普其實願意就格陵蘭進行談判。

What if he continues his threats on the island?

What would that mean for NATO and other transatlantic alliances?

這對北約和其他跨大西洋同盟意味著什麼？

Well, we should use every opportunity to talk to the US Side, not only to the president, but

嗯，我們應該把握每一個機會與美方對話，不只是總統，

also to important lawmakers and government officials.

還有重要的國會議員和政府官員。

I mean, what I am witnessing is in Washington, there is increasing criticism of President Trump's course on Greenland more and more.

我的意思是，我看到的是，在華盛頓，對川普總統在格陵蘭問題上的做法越來越多的批評。

Also, Republican lawmakers are going public saying that this is not the right way forward.

而且，共和黨的國會議員也公開表示，這不是正確的做法。

The latest poll I saw was that 80% of the US Americans are strictly against the unlawful annexation of Greenland.

我看到的最新民調顯示，80%的美國人堅決反對非法併吞格陵蘭。

And the US Citizens see that this is also harming their own interest because tariffs and retaliatory tariffs are in the end paid by the citizens and the consumers every opportunity we should use also to engage with President Trump directly.

美國公民也明白這損害了他們的自身利益，因為關稅和報復性關稅最終是由公民和消費者支付的，我們應該利用每一個機會直接與川普總統接觸。

And, yes, there are security concerns in the wider Arctic, including Greenland.

而且，是的，更廣泛的北極地區，包括格陵蘭，確實存在安全疑慮。

And these security concerns need to be addressed.

But NATO is the format, NATO is the formation where these security concerns need to be addressed.

但是北約是處理這些安全疑慮的場合、北約是處理這些安全疑慮的組織。

And the Kingdom of Denmark has invited the US to engage military wise in Greenland.

丹麥王國已邀請美國在格陵蘭進行軍事合作。

The Americans used to have much more troops in Greenland.

美國過去在格陵蘭的駐軍多得多。

Now they only have one base left in northern Greenland.

現在他們在格陵蘭北部只剩下一個基地。

If President Trump is so serious about these security concerns, then it's up to him also to step up the US Engagement in Greenland.

如果川普總統這麼重視這些安全疑慮，那他也有責任加強美國在格陵蘭的參與。

Denmark and all other NATO partners would welcome this.

丹麥以及所有其他北約夥伴都會歡迎這點。

David McAllister, European People's Party, thank you very much.

European People's Party 的 David McAllister，非常感謝你。