Name: 美國國防部長皮特·海塞克（Pete Hegseth）因第二次致命委內瑞拉船隻襲擊事件而受到嚴厲審查 | BBC 新聞 (US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth under scrutiny over second deadly Venezuela boat strike | BBC News)
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But to bring you up to date with a story that is the lead story in many US publications today.

不過，我們來更新一個今天在許多美國出版品上都是頭條的新聞。

It's about the relationship right now between the US and Venezuela.

這是有關美國和委內瑞拉目前關係的故事。

The White House defending their Secretary of State, Pete Hegseth, against allegations that in September he instructed the US military to kill everyone on board a suspected Venezuelan drug smuggling vessel.

白宮正在為他們的國務卿 Pete Hegseth 辯護，駁斥他九月訓示美國軍隊擊斃一艘疑似委內瑞拉毒梟船上的所有人的指控。

Now, Hegseth reportedly ordered a second airstrike against survivors clinging to wreckage.

據報導，Hegseth 還下令對抓住殘骸的倖存者進行第二次空襲。

Some US politicians and former officers say that would constitute a war crime.

一些美國政界人士和前軍官表示，這將構成戰爭罪。

But the White House insists the strikes were legal.

但白宮堅持認為這些打擊是合法的。

With respect to the strikes in question, on September 2, Secretary Hegseth authorized Admiral Bradley to conduct these kinetic strikes.

關於這些爭議性的打擊，九月二日，國務卿 Hegseth 授權海軍上將 Bradley 執行這些實彈打擊。

Admiral Bradley worked well within his authority and the law directing the engagement to ensure the boat was destroyed and the threat to the United States of America was eliminated.

Bradley 上將在他的權限和法律範圍內，指揮了這次交戰，確保船隻被摧毀，並消除了對美利堅合眾國的威脅。

Democratic Senator Tim Kaine says his party is questioning the administration's decisions on Venezuela and says Republicans too are joining the call.

民主黨參議員 Tim Kaine 表示，他的黨派正在質疑政府對委內瑞拉的決策，並說共和黨人也加入了這個呼籲。

We think the escalating pace and some of the recent revelations.

我們認為，升級的步調和一些最近的揭露。

So, for example, the recent revelation about the kill everyone order apparently dictated by Secretary Hegseth.

所以，舉例來說，最近揭露了據稱由國務卿 Hegseth 下達的「殺光所有人」命令。

We do believe that we will get more support for these motions when they are refiled.

我們相信，當這些動議重新提出時，我們會獲得更多支持。

The Trump administration maintains that Venezuela's leader, Nicolas Maduro, is a narco terrorist and has deployed a fleet to the Caribbean.

川普政府堅稱委內瑞拉領導人尼可拉斯·馬杜羅是個毒梟恐怖分子，並已部署艦隊前往加勒比海。

Here he is at a rally, Maduro defiantly dismissing increasing pressure from the U.S.

他在一次集會上，馬杜羅毫不畏懼地駁斥美國日益增加的壓力。

he addressed the crowd and said he will remain steadfast and swears absolute loyalty to Venezuelans.

他向群眾發表演說，表示將堅定不移，並誓言對委內瑞拉人民絕對忠誠。

We want peace, but peace with sovereignty, peace with equality, peace with freedom.

我們要和平，但要帶有主權的和平，帶有平等的和平，帶有自由的和平。

We do not want a slave's peace, nor a peace with colonies colony.

我們不要奴隸的和平，也不要殖民地的和平。

Never slaves, never, never freedom, republic, peace with dignity.

永不為奴，永不，永不，自由，共和國，帶有尊嚴的和平。

With me now in the studio is Mimi Swaby, our global affairs reporter with expertise and experience in Latin America.

現在在我工作室的是我們的全球事務記者 Mimi Swaby，她在拉丁美洲擁有專業知識和經驗。

And speaking to me as well from Washington as part of our regular US Politics series is Andrew Feinberg, White House correspondent for the Independent.

而在華盛頓，代表我們常態性的美國政治系列節目，和我一起的是《獨立報》的白宮記者 Andrew Feinberg。

Well, Mimi, there were rumours around that Mr. Maduro had fled.

嗯，Mimi，當時有傳言說馬杜羅先生已經逃跑了。

我的意思是，這在社群媒體上到處都是。

But there he is, defiant, dancing, saying we do not want peace of slaves, nor do we want peace of colonies.

但他就在那裡，態度強硬，跳著舞，說我們不要奴隸的和平，也不要殖民地的和平。

This has created the perfect storm for speculation.

There are reports that a plane associated with him was on its way to Brazil.

有報導說一架與他有關的飛機正飛往巴西。

But then he made an appearance at a very heavily attended rally in Caracas where his supporters were really cheering him on.

但隨後他在加拉加斯一個參與人數眾多的集會上露面，他的支持者們真的在為他加油打氣。

And he's trying to galvanize Venezuelans.

這是一個充滿不確定性的時刻。

They have about 15,000 troops and a large military capability just outside their borders.

他們在邊界外約有15,000名部隊和強大的軍事能力。

And if you're Maduro, you think they're aiming at you.

如果你是馬杜羅，你會覺得他們是衝著你來的。

So he's trying to really get people to come together and see this as an opportunity to cement himself in power.

所以他正試圖讓大家團結起來，把這看作是鞏固權力的機會。

He's holding on, hunkering down and hoping that Trump doesn't escalate things further, be that with more strikes at sea or even land strikes.

他正在堅持，固守陣地，希望川普不要進一步升級局勢，無論是在海上還是陸地上的更多打擊。

As we've hearing, again, more speculation on social media as well as from sources in the White House.

正如我們聽到的，社群媒體和白宮的消息來源又有更多猜測。

Andrew, two things to pick up with you there.

Possible plans that Trump might have now, but

also this increased scrutiny that there is of Pete Hegseth with some lawmakers accusing him of committing a war crime.

還有對Pete Hegseth的審查日益嚴格，一些議員指控他犯下戰爭罪。

Well, there are still a lot of questions about this strike that happened on a small boat in September, which the administration has claimed was running drugs.

嗯，對於九月份那次針對一艘小船的襲擊，大家還有很多疑問，政府聲稱那艘船在運毒。

They've offered no basis for the strike other than the president's assertion that the US Is in what he has called an armed conflict with drug cartels.

除了總統聲稱美國正處於他所說的與毒梟的武裝衝突之外，他們沒有提供這次襲擊的任何依據。

Now, the White House appears to be throwing a decorated Navy admiral who commanded these troops during the strike under the bus, saying that it was the admiral who gave this order that may have been a war crime to fire on the survivors of the first drone strike on that alleged drug boat.

現在，白宮似乎要把在這次襲擊中指揮這些部隊的一位受勳海軍上將推下水，說是由這位上將下令，對那艘據稱運毒船的第一次無人機襲擊的倖存者開火，這可能構成戰爭罪。

The White House is not budging, although I will note that they originally denied that there had been a second strike, calling it made up and fake news.

白宮沒有讓步，不過我要指出的是，他們最初否認發生了第二次襲擊，稱其為捏造的假新聞。

But yesterday the White House confirmed that it had happened, but

但昨天白宮證實確實發生了，但是

did not go so far as to say that Pete Hegseth had ordered it.

並沒有說Pete Hegseth下令進行了襲擊。

Okay, we'll come back to what President Trump might do now, given it seems many are saying he's being boxed into a corner.

好的，我們稍後會再討論川普總統現在可能會做什麼，因為似乎很多人說他被逼到牆角了。

Because I wanted to ask you, Mimi, about the public in Venezuela.

因為我想問妳，Mimi，關於委內瑞拉的民眾。

Really hard to know, of course, that we see Maduro there with quite a large crowd.

真的很難說，當然，我們看到馬杜羅在那裡聚集了相當大的人群。

It appears that if you supported Maduro before this, this has only cemented your support and it's kind of separated the US and them narrative.

看起來，如果你以前支持馬杜羅，這件事只會鞏固你的支持，而且有點像是把美方和他們分開敘述。

Venezuelans are sticking together and Maduro is for Venezuela and Venezuelan people.

委內瑞拉人民團結一致，馬杜羅是為委內瑞拉和委內瑞拉人民而戰。

However, if you were against Maduro, if you were a supporter of the opposition party led by Maria Karina Machado, this US Potential military intervention is seen as actually a positive.

然而，如果你反對馬杜羅，如果你是瑪麗亞·卡里納·馬查多上司的反對黨支持者，這次美國潛在的軍事幹預被視為一件好事。

而這確實是最近才出現的轉變。

Public opinion seems to be shifting that if you don't like Maduro, you see the US Intervention as the only way to potentially get him to step down from power.

民意似乎正在轉變，如果你不喜歡馬杜羅，你就會認為美國的干預是讓他下臺的唯一途徑。

Now, there are some different takes in the opposition party.

現在，反對黨內部有一些不同的看法。

Maria Marina has basically said that she fully backs Trump's actions, that these deadly attacks at sea, we know they've killed one more than 80 people now, are justified for the end goal here.

瑪麗亞·瑪麗娜基本上表示她完全支持川普的行動，認為這些致命的海上攻擊，我們知道現在已經造成超過80人死亡，是為了最終目標而正當的。

And that's been no secret that the US Want Maduro to step down from power.

美國希望馬杜羅下臺，這一直都不是祕密。

However, other opposition leaders are a little bit more cautious, and that is what we're seeing.

然而，其他反對派領袖則比較謹慎，這也是我們看到的。

They're saying Maduro is running out of options.

If he stays, if he goes, it doesn't seem that he'll face any guarantee that he won't end up in jail extrated or see betrayal from the military, who are his greatest asset, it seems at the moment protecting him.

無論他留下或離開，似乎都無法保證他不會入獄被引渡，或是被他最寶貴的資產——軍隊——背叛，因為軍隊目前似乎在保護他。

And if they turn, then Maduro is really exposed.

如果他們（軍隊）倒戈，那麼馬杜羅就真的暴露了。

People who are against him see the US now as their best option for a new kind of liberated Venezuela writ of Maduro.

反對他的人認為，美國現在是他們建立一個擺脫馬杜羅、全新解放委內瑞拉的最佳選擇。

Andrew, I see that according to opinion polls, most Americans are against any kind of military intervention in Venezuela.

安德魯，我看到根據民意調查，大多數美國人反對任何形式的軍事幹預委內瑞拉。

But what is the strategic dilemma for President Trump now?

但川普總統現在面臨的戰略困境是什麼？

I mean, is he really boxing himself in, given Maduro has refused to go?

他的意思是，既然馬杜羅拒絕下臺，他是不是真的把自己逼到絕境了？

Well, the president, during both of his successful campaigns in 2016 and again last year in 2024, ran on this idea that he was not going to get the US into more foreign wars.

嗯，總統在 2016 年和去年的 2024 年兩次成功的競選中，都主張他不會讓美國捲入更多對外戰爭。

And that has created a conflict now with some of his most fervent supporters who are looking at this huge military buildup in Venezuela of all places, not exactly a strategic hotspot, and

這就造成了他一些最熱情的支持者現在的矛盾，他們看到委內瑞拉這個地方，竟然有這麼大的軍事集結，這也不是什麼戰略熱點，

How is this in the the words of their movement, America first?

這怎麼會符合他們口中的「美國優先」呢？

But the president is in a bit of a pickle here because he has ramped up the pressure on Maduro with these boat strikes, which may or may not be legal.

但總統現在有點棘手，因為他加大了對馬杜羅的壓力，進行了這些實彈打擊，這些打擊的合法性可能存疑。

And he's threatening more action, including the use of ground troops, which is probably not legal because Congress has not approved it.

他還威脅要採取更多行動，包括動用地面部隊，這可能是不合法的，因為國會沒有準許。

But that doesn't seem like it's going to stop him if that's what he wants to do.

但如果他想這麼做，這似乎也阻止不了他。

But he's doing this in part because he has a very hawkish group of advisers in his ear, including Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who is, of course a former senator from Florida, where there are a lot of Venezuelan expats, exiles, who would very much like to see Maggio removed.

但他這麼做，部分原因是他身邊有一群非常鷹派的顧問，包括國務卿馬可·魯比歐，他當然是來自佛羅裡達州的前參議員，那裡有很多委內瑞拉的僑民和流亡者，他們非常希望看到馬杜羅下臺。

Rubio, of course, thought to be a 2028 presidential, hopefully, and

魯比歐當然被認為是 2028 年的總統候選人，希望如此，

getting Maduro out of power would be a nice feather in his cap if he wants to run for the job currently held by Mr.

讓馬杜羅下臺，如果他想競選現任總統的職位，將會是他的政績之一。

美國國防部長皮特·海塞克（Pete Hegseth）因第二次致命委內瑞拉船隻襲擊事件而受到嚴厲審查 | BBC 新聞 (US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth under scrutiny over second deadly Venezuela boat strike | BBC News)