Name: 爆料：美國特使Witkoff 告知俄羅斯如何向川普推銷和平計畫 | DW 新聞 (Leak: US envoy Witkoff told Russia how to pitch peace plan to Trump | DW News)
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We begin with new steps toward negotiations to end the war in Ukraine.

我們開始報導烏克蘭戰爭談判的新進展。

US President Donald Trump has announced that he is sending his envoy, Steve Witkoff, to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin next week in Moscow.

美國總統唐納·川普宣佈，他將派遣特使史提夫·維特科夫下週在莫斯科與俄羅斯總統弗拉基米爾·普丁會面。

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They will discuss Trump's peace plan for Ukraine, which is widely seen as echoing Russian demands.

他們將討論川普的烏克蘭和平計劃，這項計劃被廣泛認為呼應了俄羅斯的訴求。

In a virtual meeting between Ukraine and its allies, President Volodymyr Zelensky signaled support for the proposal, but

在烏克蘭及其盟友的視訊會議上，總統弗拉基米爾·澤倫斯基表示支持這項提案，但

said that sensitive issues need to be addressed.

With President Trump now, despite talks progressing, Russia launched a massive drone assault in Ukraine's southern city of Zaporizhzhia, injuring dozens.

儘管川普總統的談判正在進行，俄羅斯卻在烏克蘭南部城市札波羅熱發動了大規模無人機襲擊，造成數十人受傷。

Authorities say that more than 30 apartment blocks were damaged.

當局表示，有超過30棟公寓樓受損。

Let's bring in Nick Connolly in Kyiv and Rosie Burchard, who's standing by from Brussels.

讓我們先連線在基輔的尼克·康諾利，以及在布魯塞爾的 Rosie Burchard。

Trump says that he has instructed his special envoy, Witkoff to travel to Moscow.

川普表示，他已訓示他的特使維特科夫前往莫斯科。

This initial peace plan draft was largely seen as favoring Putin's demands.

這份初步的和平計劃草案，大多被認為偏向普丁的要求。

Well, I think Ukraine is deeply suspicious of Steve Wykoff.

嗯，我認為烏克蘭對史提夫·維特科夫深感懷疑。

It has been clear from Ukraine's perspective that this is someone who is very much interested in normalization of relations with Russia, come what may.

從烏克蘭的角度來看，很明顯他非常想與俄羅斯建立關係正常化，不管發生什麼事。

That he doesn't really care about Ukraine's red lines, isn't very good on the detail.

他不太在乎烏克蘭的紅線，對細節也不太講究。

And now overnight, we've had reporting from Bloomberg.

而現在一夜之間，我們收到了彭博社的報導。

They say that they received a recording of a call between Wyckoff and his Russian equivalent, Yuri Ushakov, and

他們說他們收到了一段維特科夫與他的俄羅斯對口官員尤里·烏沙科夫之間的通話錄音，

there was basically nothing unexpected there.

基本上裡面沒有什麼令人意外的。

But it is full of flattery on both sides.

Sides, it's lots of Wyckoff telling the Russians how to play Trump, basically how to tell him what he wants to hear, how to get the calls in before Zelensky manages to do so.

雙方，基本上就是維特科夫告訴俄羅斯人如何應對川普，如何說他想聽的話，如何在澤倫斯基之前搶先打電話。

I think from Ukraine's perspective, it is still very fascinating to actually see those kind of suspicions about Wyckoff confirmed that way.

我認為從烏克蘭的角度來看，看到對維特科夫的這類懷疑以這種方式得到證實，還是非常引人入勝的。

If these recordings turn out actually to be true.

I think it's also really interesting to think about who leaked that.

我覺得也很有趣，可以思考一下是誰洩漏了這些。

intelligence community, people who are skeptical about Witkoff and what he's doing within the US Or Ukraine's European allies?

情報界，那些對維特科夫和他正在美國所做的事情持懷疑態度的人，還是烏克蘭的歐洲盟友？

there is a lot of worry here in Ukraine today about what Wyckoff might try and sign off on in Moscow without asking Ukraine.

烏克蘭今天有很多擔憂，擔心維特科夫可能會在未經烏克蘭同意的情況下，在莫斯科簽署什麼協議。

Meantime, we've had some statements coming in from European leaders, including French President Emmanuel Macron, who says that Moscow is clearly not ready for a cease fire at this time.

同時，我們也收到一些歐洲領導人的聲明，包括法國總統馬克宏，他說莫斯科目前顯然還沒準備好停火。

So how then are European partners now positioning?

那麼，歐洲夥伴現在又在採取什麼樣的立場呢？

Well, Europeans have always said that it should be in Ukraine's hands to decide the terms for any future deal about its future security.

嗯，歐洲一直以來都認為，關於烏克蘭未來的安全，應該由烏克蘭自己決定未來協議的條件。

And of course, the security of Ukraine is very much seen as the security of the European continent.

當然，烏克蘭的安全，很大程度上也被視為歐洲大陸的安全。

So Europeans are quite simply hoping for a deal which would not imperil the safety of, and

所以歐洲人很簡單地希望達成一項協議，不會危及

how safe Europeans can feel in their beds in future.

So that would, they're looking to see a deal that would include some real meaningful concessions from Russia.

所以他們希望看到一項包含俄羅斯真正有意義讓步的協議。

One of the criticisms from the start here, of course, Russia started this war and European leaders have long said, well, Russia is the one which could end it.

當然，從一開始，其中一個批評就是，俄羅斯發動了這場戰爭，而歐洲領導人一直以來都說，俄羅斯是可以結束這場戰爭的一方。

So they're hoping really to see a deal that would reflect that and of course, secondary to that, a backup plan that would include a clear backup from the United States, because European leaders don't trust Russia in general and they want to make sure that there would be some sort of clear usage security guarantee.

所以他們真的希望看到一項能反映這一點的協議，當然，其次，還需要一個包含美國明確支持的備案，因為歐洲領導人普遍不信任俄羅斯，他們想確保會有某種明確的安全保障。

This is something which feels very existential, especially in parts of the European Union that are closest to Russia and Ukraine.

這感覺是一件非常關乎存亡的事情，特別是在歐洲聯盟裡離俄羅斯和烏克蘭最近的地區。

Of course, Ukrainians are feeling this every day, living under bombardment.

當然，烏克蘭人每天都活在轟炸之下，親身感受著這一切。

But certainly there are plenty of parts of the European Union, particularly for example, the Baltic states or Poland, who really think that if there were to be a peace deal that would see Russia emboldened, that would see Russia feel like it's been sort of rewarded for this full scale invasion, that they would be next.

但歐盟肯定有許多地方，特別是像波羅的海國家或波蘭，他們真的認為如果出現一項讓俄羅斯更加有恃無恐的和平協議，讓俄羅斯覺得他們的全面入侵得到了某種獎勵，那麼他們就會是下一個。

I was speaking to one listening Lithuanian woman a few weeks ago who's pregnant and who said, I simply, she said she finds it too hard to watch reports about these possible peace talks because she's worried that if there is a bad deal that her future child would be going to war.

幾週前，我採訪了一位聽眾，一位懷孕的立陶宛女性，她說，她覺得很難再看有關這些可能的和平談判的報導，因為她擔心如果達成一份糟糕的協議，她的未來孩子將不得不去打仗。

And yet we do see, I mean, the talks are progressing.

然而，我們確實看到，談判正在進行。

And Nick, after a video conference with the coalition of the willing, Zelensky is now saying that some sensitive points of the peace plan still need to be clarified.

尼克，在與「意願聯盟」進行視訊會議後，澤倫斯基表示，和平計劃中的一些敏感議題仍需釐清。

Can you just tell us a little bit more about where the Ukrainians stand in these negotiations and how much they are indeed engaging?

你能否多告訴我們一些，烏克蘭在這些談判中的立場，以及他們實際上參與的程度？

I think overall, the Ukrainians need to play along with this.

我認為總體來說，烏克蘭人需要配合。

They need to prove to the Trump White House that they are willing to do a deal, you know, obviously with their red lines, but

他們需要向川普政府證明他們願意達成協議，當然，他們會有自己的紅線，但

they can't be seen to be the ones that this is going to fail because of.

他們不能被視為是導致協議失敗的原因。

所以這一切都是關於互相指責。

The Russians, from Ukraine's perspective, want to carry on fighting, but

從烏克蘭的角度來看，俄羅斯人想繼續打仗，但

would obviously like it if Trump blames Ukraine for his peace efforts failing.

他們當然樂見川普將和平努力失敗歸咎於烏克蘭。

I think more broadly, if you look at the actual kind of terms, the really big questions, you know, the Russian demand that Ukraine withdraw from the areas of Donetsk region that it still controls.

我認為更廣泛地來看，如果你看看實際的條款，那些真正重大的問題，你知道，俄羅斯要求烏克蘭撤出頓內茨克地區仍控制的區域。

I don't think Zelensky is going to say yes to that.

He couldn't without asking the people here.

他不可能在未經這裡人民同意的情況下同意。

That is something that the constitution would demand, some kind of referendum.

憲法會要求進行某種形式的公投。

Also, the aspiration to join NATO is in Ukraine's constitution.

此外，加入北約的願望也在烏克蘭的憲法中。

He can't just give that away without other people signing off on that.

他不能在未經他人簽字同意的情況下就放棄這個。

I think there are deals he can do on smaller issues about maybe the size of Ukraine's army during peace time.

我認為他可以在一些較小的議題上達成協議，例如烏克蘭在和平時期軍隊的規模。

Obviously a lot higher numbers than probably the Russians wanted.

顯然數字比俄羅斯想要的要高很多。

But I think for now, this is about the perception rather than about the actual content.

但我認為目前這比較是關於觀感，而不是實際內容。

Most people here in Ukraine are not confident this is going anywhere.

這裡大部分烏克蘭人民都不認為這會有什麼結果。

They think this is just about Trump and his team wanting to be seen to do a deal, maybe get that Nobel Peace Prize that Trump talks about so often.

他們認為這只是川普和他的團隊想被看到達成協議，也許能拿到川普常說的諾貝爾和平獎。

But they are very, very skeptical that the Russians are actually willing to make substantive concessions.

但他們非常、非常懷疑俄羅斯是否真的願意做出實質性的讓步。

Anything that would allow Ukraine to rebuild in a kind of stable situation with the hope to some kind of long term stability.

任何能讓烏克蘭在穩定情況下重建，並抱持長期穩定希望的事情。

And Rosie, you know, against that backdrop, we have to say that Kiev needs cash to maintain its defense.

羅西，你知道，在這樣的背景下，我們必須說基輔需要現金來維持國防。

It's raising the question again of what to do with the Russian assets.

這又引發了關於如何處理俄羅斯資產的問題。

The Russian assets that happen have been frozen in the sanctions.

俄羅斯資產在制裁中被凍結了。

So there are, as you said, hundreds of billions of US Dollars worth of Russian central bank assets which were frozen in the European Union, most of them here in Belgium when Russia launched its full scale invasion.

所以，正如你所說，有數千億美元的俄羅斯央行資產，在俄羅斯全面入侵後被凍結在歐盟，大部分都在比利時。

The European Union has been in all sorts of talks and negotiations to try and use those assets and turn them into what they would call a reparations loan for Ukraine.

歐盟一直在進行各種談判，試圖利用這些資產，將它們變成他們所謂的烏克蘭賠款貸款。

It's been incredibly legally and politically contentious.

這在法律和政治上都引起了極大的爭議。

Belgium, where most of the assets are held, really fears that this could land them in all sorts of litigation in future and could see scare off future investors in Europe.

大部分資產所在的比利時，非常擔心這可能會讓他們未來面臨各種訴訟，並嚇跑歐洲未來的投資者。

Now there definitely is a renewed sense of urgency around this.

We saw in that initial leaked draft of the US Peace plan, which was seen as a kind of a wish list to Russia.

我們在美國和平計劃的初步洩漏草案中看到了這一點，這被視為一份給俄羅斯的願望清單。

There was an idea that those assets might be channeled through the United States.

有一個想法是，這些資產可能會通過美國進行轉移。

That's something which Europeans will want to very much avoid.

這是歐洲人非常想避免的事情。

They want to keep this card in their own hands.

他們想把這張牌握在自己手中。

They've given themselves an internal deadline of December.

他們給自己設了一個內部截止日期，是十二月。

But there really is still deadlock at this moment.

It's seen as so important here because as while we've really seen European leaders trying to get their voice heard, trying to get a seat at the table in these talks, and

這被視為非常重要，因為歐洲領導人試圖讓自己的聲音被聽見，試圖在這些談判中佔有一席之地，而且

they certainly do feel more confident about that than they did a few days ago.

他們當然比幾天前對此更有信心。

There is still very much a sense here that European security depends on which way the wind is blowing in Washington.

在這裡，人們仍然強烈感覺到歐洲的安全取決於華盛頓的風向。

So those hundreds of billions of euros of US Dollars in central bank assets are a key leverage that Europe could have over possible future peace talks.

所以，歐洲央行資產中數千億歐元的美元是歐洲在未來可能的和平談判中可以擁有的關鍵籌碼。

Nick Connolly in Kyiv, Rosie Burchard there for us in Brussels.

尼克·康諾利在基輔，羅西·伯查德在布魯塞爾為我們報導。

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