Name: 禮薩·巴列維談伊朗的未來！ (Reza Pahlavi on the future of Iran)
Uploaded: 2026-03-03T21:36:11.000Z
Duration: 13 min 15 s

The United States and Israel conducted a second day of strikes on targets across Iran.

美國和以色列在伊朗各地目標進行了第二天的襲擊。

Tehran has retaliated with missile attacks on Israel, neighboring countries and US Military bases in the region.

德黑蘭已向以色列、鄰國和該地區的美軍基地發射飛彈進行報復。

At least three American service members have been killed.

Scott Pelley is in Paris following events including what could be next for Iran.

Scott Pelley 在巴黎追蹤事件，包括伊朗接下來可能會面臨什麼。

Tonight, the most prominent member of the Iranian opposition says he believes the Iranian regime is collapsing and he would like to lead a transition that makes Iran safe for the world.

今晚，伊朗反對派中最知名的一位成員表示，他相信伊朗政權正在瓦解，並且他希望能領導一個讓伊朗對世界安全的過渡。

65 year old Reza Pahlavi is the son of the former king or Shah of Iran who was deposed in 1979 by revolutionaries and hardline Islamic clerics.

65 歲的禮薩·巴列維是伊朗前國王（或稱國王）的兒子，這位國王在 1979 年被革命者和強硬派伊斯蘭教士推翻。

In that year of revolution, Pahlavi was 18 years old and living in Lubbock, Texas, where the US Air Force was training him to be a fighter pilot.

在那革命的一年，巴列維 18 歲，住在美國德州拉伯克，當時美國空軍正在訓練他成為一名戰鬥機飛行員。

He has lived in exile 47 years, mostly in the United States.

他已經流亡 47 年，大部分時間住在美國。

But tonight he's in Paris where we asked him if he wants to be king, what Iran's policies should be toward Israel.

不過今晚他在巴黎，我們問他是不是想當國王，以及伊朗對以色列的政策應該是什麼。

We started our interview with the news that the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khamenei, had been killed in the opening hours of the war.

我們的採訪以最高領袖霍梅尼在戰爭初期被殺的消息開始。

It is definitely a sort of earth shattering event in the sense that when people identify the entire monstrosity of a regime that is depicted ultimately by the chief monster of these monsters, when he's gone, the minute such a personality disappears, it's like elation.

這絕對是個震驚世界的事件，因為當人們識別出一個政權的全部怪物，而最終由這些怪物中的主要怪物代表時，當他消失了，一旦這樣一個人物消失，就會讓人感到欣喜若狂。

It was like, oh my God, it has finally occurred.

感覺就像「天啊，終於發生了」。

也許就是現在了，這是我們的機會。

Well, I mean, ever since this regime has taken over, how many Iranians lives have been lost?

嗯，我的意思是，自從這個政權掌權以來，有多少伊朗人的生命喪生了？

I don't think you can have an example of such level of atrocity ever in the history of Iran, or at least contemporary Iran that has occurred under this regime.

我認為你找不到伊朗歷史上，或者至少當代伊朗歷史上，在這個政權下發生過如此程度的暴行的例子。

And this is all because of Ali Khamenei's insistence and persistence to keep himself and his mafia regime in power at the expense of the Iranian people.

這一切都是因為哈梅內伊堅持要讓自己和他的黑幫政權掌權，犧牲伊朗人民的利益。

I don't know how else can it depict it other than being true monsters in the real sense of the word.

我不知道還能怎麼形容，除了他們真的是字面意義上的怪物。

This past January, Iranians poured into the streets.

今年一月，伊朗人民湧上街頭。

Pahlavi urged them on and hundreds of thousands marched the regime, gunned down an estimated 20,000 citizens.

巴列維敦促他們，數十萬人遊行，政權槍殺了估計兩萬名民眾。

This is video overnight after the announcement of the death of the Ayatollah in the city of Isfahan.

這是阿亞圖拉（Ayatollah）在伊斯法罕市（Isfahan）宣佈死亡後，連夜的影片。

That means that finally we are ready to go back to the streets.

這意味著我們終於準備好重返街頭了。

Even though I've cautioned them that for now, you better take care of your own safety and stay at home.

雖然我警告過他們，現在最好照顧好自己的安全，待在家裡。

The time will come to go back on the streets.

But then again, you see that despite that, people still are brave enough to say to hell with it, because to us, it's liberation.

不過話說回來，你看到儘管如此，人們還是夠勇敢說「去他的」，因為對我們來說，這是解放。

To us, it's like a humanitarian intervention to protect lives that could otherwise be continued to be lost.

對我們來說，這就像是人道幹預，用來保護那些可能繼續喪失的生命。

It gives the Iranian people a real opportunity now when they see the end of this regime that was always bound to collapse whether there was an intervention or not.

這讓伊朗人民有了一個真正的機會，因為他們看到了這個政權的終結，這個政權無論是否有幹預，終究會垮臺。

I want to make sure your audience understand that, that we were prepared to fight the fight.

我想讓你的觀眾明白，我們已經準備好奮力一搏。

There was too much blood between us and this regime.

我們和這個政權之間，有太多鮮血。

We were committed to fight regardless of outside intervention.

我們致力於戰鬥，無論是否有外部幹預。

They're thanking President Trump for actually standing on his word and acting upon his word.

他們感謝川普總統信守承諾並付諸行動。

Do you actually believe this regime could fall after almost 50 years?

你真的相信這個政權在將近 50 年後可能會垮臺嗎？

Prince Reza Pahlavi told us he wants to lead Iran in a transition to democracy.

禮薩·巴列維王子告訴我們，他希望領導伊朗走向民主轉型。

Are you saying in this interview that you wouldn't lead Iran?

你在這場訪問中說你不會領導伊朗嗎？

They trust me as a transitional leader, not as the future king or future president or future whatever.

他們信任我作為過渡時期的領導人，而不是未來的國王或未來的總統或未來的任何職位。

I'm totally focused on my mission in life, which is, let me bring the country to a point that they can make that free choice.

我完全專注於我的人生使命，那就是讓我把國家帶到一個他們可以做出自由選擇的階段。

Having said mission accomplished, you imagine peace with Israel?

說了任務達成後，你想像與以色列和平共處嗎？

Of course, in modern history, Iran actually gave refuge to Jews that were escaping the Nazis during the Second World War, giving them refuge and sanctuary in Iran.

當然，在近代史上，伊朗在第二次世界大戰期間確實收容了逃離納粹的猶太人，給予他們在伊朗的庇護和安全。

The strategic importance of having a partnership with Israel is critical.

與以色列建立夥伴關係的戰略重要性至關重要。

What are the principles on which you would build a new Iran?

你會基於哪些原則來建立一個新的伊朗？

I think what today unites us are four core principles that I think is the subject of how we can work together towards that end.

我認為今天團結我們的是四個核心原則，我認為這是我們如何為此目標共同努力的課題。

Number one is Iran's territorial integrity.

Number two is the clear separation of religion from state, which is a prerequisite to democracy.

第二是政教分離，這是民主的先決條件。

Understanding what it means to live under a religious dictatorship.

理解生活在宗教獨裁統治下是什麼感覺。

Number three is, of course, equality of all citizens under the law and individual liberties.

第三是，當然，所有公民在法律面前的平等以及個人自由。

And most importantly, the process, a democratic process to allow the people to elect and decide what their future system of governance should be.

最重要的是，透過一個民主程序，讓人民能夠選舉並決定他們未來的治理體系。

What would happen to the nuclear weapons program?

I don't think Iran has any need to pursue a military weaponizing of the nuclear program.

我不認為伊朗有任何理由要發展核武計畫的軍事用途。

巴列維的父親是最後一位國王。

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was close to the United States, but

禮薩·巴列維與美國關係密切，但

he brutally suppressed opposition and showered Friends with lavish wealth.

他殘酷鎮壓反對派，並對親信大肆揮霍。

In 1979, he left Iran amid rising political tension and a hardline cleric, Ayatollah Khomeini, returned from exile to lead a revolution.

1979年，他在政治緊張局勢升溫中離開伊朗，強硬派教士霍梅尼則從流亡地返回領導革命。

Iranians blamed the US for supporting the king, and

伊朗人將支持國王的責任歸咎於美國，

revolutionaries overran the US embassy in Tehran and held 52Americans hostage for 444 days.

革命者攻佔了美國駐德黑蘭大使館，並扣押了52名美國人作為人質長達444天。

Your father's reign is remembered for repression and opulent wealth.

你父親的統治被記住的是壓迫和奢華的財富。

And I wonder why you believe the people would welcome you now.

我很好奇你為什麼認為人民現在會歡迎你。

Well, you know, that's perhaps one narrative, but

嗯，你知道，這或許是一種說法，但是

when you look at a lot of people who were at the time living that era, they were telling me, you know what?

當你看看當時經歷那個時代的許多人，他們告訴我，你知道嗎？

We recognize where we were and where we are now.

我們知道我們過去在哪裡，以及我們現在在哪裡。

And there were people who were in those so called prisons that were notorious or repressive or whatever you call.

有些人在那些所謂的監獄裡，那些惡名昭彰或壓迫性的地方，或 whatever 你怎麼稱呼。

They were imprisoned under the previous regime.

People were killed in your father's regime.

人們在你父親的政權下被殺害。

Look, look, my father left Iran voluntarily to avoid bloodshed.

你看，你看，我父親是自願離開伊朗，以免發生流血事件。

A king doesn't build his throne on the blood of his own people.

國王不會坐在自己人民的鮮血堆砌的寶座上。

If the nation today wants me out, I would leave.

如果國家今天希望我離開，我會離開。

You have been out of the country for nearly 50 years.

Why would the people want you if they thought that was an issue?

如果人們認為那是一個問題，為什麼他們還會想要你？

I don't think they'll be calling my name by the millions on the streets of Iran.

我不認為他們會在伊朗街頭百萬人地呼喊我的名字。

I think that part of the reason people trust me only is because they cannot associate me in any way or form to the revolution or to be part of this regime.

我認為人們信任我的部分原因，是因為他們無法以任何方式將我與革命或這個政權聯繫起來。

The very same people who today are in the streets, all the young kids that are getting shot and massacred by this regime, are a generation that turns to their parents and tell them, what the hell were you thinking?

今天走上街頭的那些人，那些被這個政權槍殺和屠殺的年輕孩子們，他們這一代會轉向他們的父母，告訴他們：「你們當時到底在想什麼？」

What was that madness to think that this Khomeini character is going to be our solution and our path to freedom?

當時怎麼會瘋到認為霍梅尼這個角色會是我們的解決之道、自由之路？

But from the day I left, I never left Iran.

但自從我離開那天起，我從未離開過伊朗。

Iran had been on my mind every single year of my life, Every single.

我生命中的每一年，每一天，腦子裡想的都是伊朗。

When I wake up in the morning, the first thing that in my mind is Iran.

我早上醒來，腦中第一個想到的就是伊朗。

Pahlavi told us he is in touch with the Trump administration and members of Congress.

巴列維告訴我們，他正與川普政府及國會議員保持聯繫。

你想對川普總統傳達什麼訊息？

My message to President Trump is that I'm here to echo and join millions of my compatriots inside and outside of Iran to thank him for having done and having the courage to do what is not easy but intervene.

我想對川普總統傳達的訊息是，我在此與伊朗境內外數百萬同胞一起，感謝他所做的一切，以及他有勇氣採取了這項不容易但卻介入的行動。

And he will go down in the annals of Iranian history as the most Celebrated foreign leader that changed the ball game and changed the world as a result.

他將會被載入伊朗歷史史冊，成為最受讚譽的外國領導人，他改變了遊戲規則，進而改變了世界。

In January, President Trump said this about you.

一月份，川普總統曾這樣說你。