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President Donald Trump says he's told the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu that he wants to reach a deal with Iran on its nuclear program.

美國總統 Donald Trump 表示，他已告知以色列總理 Benjamin Netanyahu，他希望與伊朗就其核計畫達成協議。

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Posting on social media after meeting Netanyahu at the White House, Trump said he had insisted negotiations would continue.

在白宮會見 Netanyahu 後，Trump 在社群媒體上發文表示，他堅持談判將會繼續。

He added, nothing definitive has been reached, but he hoped Iran would be reasonable and responsible this time.

他補充說，目前還沒有達成任何決定性的協議，但他希望這次伊朗能保持理性和負責任。

The two leaders also discussed developments in Gaza and the wider region.

兩位領導人也討論了加薩及更廣泛地區的發展。

Netanyahu has been pushing for the talks between Washington and Tehran to be expanded to include issues he feels are important.

Netanyahu 一直在推動擴大美國與伊朗之間的談判，以納入他認為重要的議題。

So let's just take a closer look at what's at stake in these talks.

所以，我們就來仔細看看這些談判的利害關係是什麼。

The United States wants Iran to permanently stop its uranium enrichment, to hand over roughly 400 kilograms of uranium already enriched to 60%, to limit its ballistic missile program, and

美國希望伊朗永久停止鈾濃縮，交出約 400 公斤已濃縮至 60% 的鈾，並限制其彈道飛彈計畫，

to stop funding and supporting armed groups in the region.

以及停止資助和支持該地區的武裝團體。

According to Washington, Iran's position, well, it's somewhat narrower.

所以，根據華盛頓的說法，伊朗的立場，嗯，有點比較狹隘。

Tehran says it'll only talk about its nuclear program and sanctions, nothing else.

德黑蘭表示，他們只會談論核計畫和制裁，其他什麼都不談。

Regional alliances are also off the table.

Hamid Reza Gholamzadeh is the director of Diplo House, which is a think tank, and

Hamid Reza Gholamzadeh 是 Diplo House 的負責人，這是一個智庫，

Hamid, can the gulf between the two sides be narrowed?

Hamid，雙方之間的差距有可能縮小嗎？

Yes, if they think wisely, it could be possible to reach a deal and to narrow the differences between the two sides.

是的，如果他們明智地思考，就有可能達成協議，縮小雙方之間的差距。

The reality is that the way the Americans are looking and approaching their negotiations, a one way route, and

事實是，美國人看待和處理他們談判的方式，是一條單行道，

they have tried it in different areas in different aspects.

而且他們在不同領域、不同方面都嘗試過。

We had the war, we had the recent riots, which were actually led by the Americans and Israelis, and

我們經歷了戰爭，經歷了最近的暴動，這些其實是由美國人和以色列人主導的，

none of them worked for them to achieve the goal that they had, the regime change that they have always mentioned as the objective.

但這些都沒能幫助他們達成目標，也就是他們一直提到的政權更迭。

So it is time for them to look at the situation from a different angle.

所以是時候讓他們從不同的角度來看待這個情況了。

Something that happened in 2009 by President Obama before the election of Iran, after which, you remember, we had some unrest before that.

2009年歐巴馬總統在大選前，伊朗那時候發生了一些事情，你還記得，在那之前我們有些動亂。

President President Obama sent a letter to the Supreme Leader and said that he is ready to respect Iran's rights.

歐巴馬總統曾寫信給最高領袖，表示他願意尊重伊朗的權利。

He is ready to recognize Iran's right to enrichment and all the things.

他願意承認伊朗的鈾濃縮權利以及其他所有事項。

unlike what President Trump has done last year and saying that he's ready to work with Iran.

和去年川普總統所做的、表示他願意與伊朗合作的態度很不一樣。

If President Trump is wise enough to stand at that position and look at the situation, the relation to that position, that will be the worst way for himself.

如果川普總統夠明智，能站在那個立場並看待情況，那將是他最糟糕的方式。

First to make an achievement and leave a legacy which even President Obama could not make it, and

首先是達成一項成就並留下連歐巴馬總統都無法做到的遺產，

But if he wants to move towards oppression, towards shared sanctions and discussing things like missile program or zero enrichment.

但如果他想走向壓迫，走向共同制裁，並討論飛彈計畫或零濃縮等議題。

That would be something that leads to a dead end and there would be no outcome.

那將會是死衚衕，沒有任何結果。

And that would lead to an option which not easy, which is not possible for neither the Israelis nor the Americans.

這將會導向一個選項，這個選項不容易，以色列人和美國人都做不到。

But we both know that it is not possible and the costs are so high that they would not be actually be ready to bear the cost of that.

但我們都知道那是不可能的，而且代價太高，他們實際上無法承受。

I mean, the other thing is it's just the very format of the way these two talked and how they're negotiating.

我的意思是，另一件事是他們兩人的談話方式以及協商的模式。

Surely it's better to meet face to face rather than have separate rooms in an intermediary going between them.

當然，面對面會比透過中間人在不同房間協商來得好。

You know, practically speaking, the tension between the two sides are very high and the situation is very fragile.

實際上，雙方之間的緊張關係非常高，情況也很脆弱。

So if they want to discuss it directly face to face and they don't have time to think, they do.

所以如果他們想直接面對面討論，而且沒有時間思考，他們就會這麼做。

They don't have time to consider the options from the other side and they don't have time to work on the wording.

他們沒有時間考慮對方的選項，也沒有時間斟酌用詞。

So they need time and it would be the best option to have a fragile discussion with another party.

所以他們需要時間，而與另一方進行脆弱的討論會是最好的選擇。

So the intermediary can help to translate and make the interpretation between the two sides.

所以中間人可以幫助雙方進行翻譯和傳達。

And of course the two sides have enough time to work on every single details of the talks and every wording that is needed.

當然，雙方有足夠的時間來處理談話的每一個細節和所需的每一個用詞。

So and they can of course check with their capitals.

然後他們當然可以與各自的首都聯繫。

So it would be better to have this for the current time and maybe if it goes on with a fruitful and constructive approach, maybe in the future it could be directly.

所以目前這樣做會比較好，而且如果以富有成效和建設性的方式繼續下去，未來也許可以直接進行。

But for the time being it is not necessary to have directly would be actually not constructing.

但就目前而言，直接進行並非必要，而且實際上可能沒有建設性。

It would be disruptive to have so fast and face to face negotiation.

這樣太快面對面談判，反而會造成混亂。

So it is helping to me that it is indirectly through a mediator.

所以透過中間人來進行，對我來說是有幫助的。

You know, with all this in mind, we've got the process of negotiations of the nuclear program in is a straightforward either a delay or a freeze in enrichment.

你知道，考量到這一切，我們在核計畫的談判過程中，鈾濃縮不是直接延遲就是凍結。

We've got them talking about the Tehran talking about perhaps enrichment going down to just about what, 10, 20% or thereabouts.

我們聽到德黑蘭方面說，也許鈾濃縮會降到大概多少？10%、20%左右。

Is that a workable kind of target to work from?

Iran, you know, have been clear about its position.

伊朗，你知道，一直都很清楚自己的立場。

Iran needs to have nuclear power and for nuclear power it needs enrichment.

伊朗需要核能，而核能就需要鈾濃縮。

Because in the past they tried the, the charter and the protocol, got the ie and they actually violated that.

因為過去他們試過憲章和議定書，也跟國際原子能總署（IAEA）打過交道，但他們實際上違反了。

They did not sell us the fuel, they did not give us the rich uranium and the things necessary for the facilities.

他們沒有賣給我們燃料，也沒有給我們濃縮鈾以及設施所需的東西。

So Iran needs to have enrichment and needs to have power.

所以伊朗需要鈾濃縮，也需要能源。

So more than that is something that Iran is ready to give up in return for some removal of sanctions.

所以伊朗願意放棄更多東西來換取部分制裁的解除。

So the 20% is something that is acceptable for Iran.

所以20%對伊朗來說是可以接受的。

Of course it would ease the work of the nuclear plants.

當然這會減輕核能電廠的負擔。

So Iran is ready to have even 367 is a level that could be useful.

所以伊朗準備好，即使是367%也是一個有用的等級。

20% would be useful for Tehran facility which is a medical infrastructure.

20% 的鈾濃縮對德黑蘭的醫療基礎設施設施很有用。

If they provide the fuel needed for Tehran facility even 20% could be negotiated my understanding.

如果他們提供德黑蘭設施所需的燃料，即使是 20% 也可以協商，這是我的理解。

But zero enrichment or anything below 3.67 is something that is not practical at all.

但零鈾濃縮或低於 3.67% 的濃縮是完全不切實際的。

And Iran is not going to accept that because Iran needs that nuclear power and cannot give it off.

伊朗不會接受，因為伊朗需要核能，不能放棄。

And the other side, it wants to ask this zero enrichment that is excessive demands a short term freeze of enrichment might be possible because we are actually at that position right now after the assessment Iran is done enriching because it doesn't have access to the facilities.

而另一方，他們想要求這種零鈾濃縮，這是不合理的。短期凍結濃縮或許有可能，因為我們目前確實處於這個階段，在評估後伊朗已經停止濃縮，因為它無法進入這些設施。

Hamid Reza Ghulamzade they're joining us from Tehran, Director at Diplo House, which is a think tank.

Hamid Reza Gholamzadeh，他從德黑蘭加入我們，他是 Diplo House 的主任，這是一個智庫。

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