Name: 回顧十年前的今天，唐納德-特朗普宣佈競選總統時的情景 (A look back at when Donald Trump announced his presidential bid 10 years ago today)
Uploaded: 2025-06-17T03:38:22.000Z
Duration: 9 min 30 s

There you see it, 1105 AM, June 16th, 2015, 10 years ago today, Donald J.

你看，2015年6月16日上午1105點，10年前的今天，唐納德?

Trump rode the golden escalator down into history.

特朗普乘著金色扶梯跌入歷史。

情態副詞

我們的國家需要一位真正偉大的領導人。

We need somebody that literally will take this country and make it great again.

我們需要一個真正能帶領這個國家再次走向輝煌的人。

But if I get elected president, I will bring it back bigger and better and stronger than ever before, and we will make America great again.

但如果我當選總統，我將把它帶回來，讓它比以前更大、更好、更強，我們將讓美國再次偉大。

John Berman and Kate Baldwin were anchoring CNN that hour.

約翰-伯曼（John Berman）和凱特-鮑德溫（Kate Baldwin）主持了當晚的CNN節目。

Ladies and gentlemen, you saw it just like we did.

女士們，先生們，你們和我們一樣都看到了。

Donald Trump just announced he is running for president, and in a way I'm glad we watched together because I'm not even sure I'm kidding when I say we all might look back and say we remember where we were when it happened, for better or for worse.

唐納德-特朗普剛剛宣佈他將競選總統，從某種程度上說，我很高興我們一起觀看了這一節目，因為我甚至不確定自己是否在開玩笑，因為我說，當我們回首往事時，我們都可能會說，無論好壞，我們都記得當時我們在哪裡。

Now we have John Berman to look back and remember that moment, for better or worse, 10 years later alongside John Avalon and Errol Lewis who are also on that program.

現在，我們請約翰-伯曼（John Berman）與約翰-阿瓦隆（John Avalon）和埃羅爾-劉易斯（Errol Lewis）一起，在 10 年後的今天回顧和回憶那一刻，無論好壞。

John Berman, I'm going to start with you.

First of all, can I have something or whatever it is that you take because you look exactly the same.

首先，能不能把你拿的東西或其他東西給我，因為你看起來一模一樣。

Take that aside and we'll deal with that later because, you know, I have absolutely no jealousy at all here.

先把這個放在一邊，我們稍後再處理，因為你知道，我在這裡完全沒有嫉妒。

What are you thinking now as you watch yourself back then?

看著當年的自己，你現在在想什麼？

I've had a lot of work done and I appreciate everything that's been put into my face.

我已經做了很多工作，我很感激為我所做的一切。

Look, I remember so vividly that moment, first of all, because we'd never seen a presidential announcement like that.

聽著，我對那一刻記憶猶新，首先是因為我們從未見過這樣的總統公告。

But the second thing is I think you have to remember the context because I was sitting there and four years before I had covered Donald Trump's flirtation with running when he was doing all the birther stuff.

但第二件事是，我認為你必須記住當時的背景，因為我坐在那裡，四年前我曾報道過唐納德-特朗普的競選調情，當時他正在做所有關於 "出生證明 "的事情。

I remember being in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, running around the streets after him.

我記得在新罕布什爾州的朴茨茅斯，我追著他滿街跑。

And at that point, Donald Trump was doing it, I don't know, partially to drum up publicity, partially to help his businesses, partially because he liked the spotlight.

當時，唐納德-特朗普這麼做，我不知道，部分原因是為了宣傳，部分原因是為了幫助他的企業，部分原因是他喜歡聚光燈。

So when we were sitting there 10 years ago, I think one of the issues was, is he really serious this time?

是以，當我們 10 年前坐在那裡時，我認為其中一個問題是，他這次真的是認真的嗎？

Is he really going to go through with it?

And I think that I was most not surprised.

But what struck me the most was, wow, he really did it.

但最讓我印象深刻的是，哇，他真的做到了。

After flirting with this for so many years, he really just did it.

經過這麼多年的調情，他真的就這麼做了。

And I think he did it in a way that I think was was truly remarkable.

我認為他這樣做的方式真的很了不起。

Again, as I said then, for better or for worse, but it was worthy of remark.

正如我當時所說，無論好壞，這都值得一提。

Well, you sort of had a, you were way ahead of where I was because I was still in Florida covering Jeb Bush's presidential announcement, which was the day before.

好吧，你有點，你比我走得早，因為我當時還在佛羅里達州報道傑布-布什宣佈競選總統的消息，那是前一天。

I didn't think it was important to run back.

So that remark was one step, many steps ahead of where I was then, I'll tell you that.

所以，我可以告訴你，這句話比我當時的處境領先了很多很多步。

Errol Lewis and John Avalon, you haven't aged either.

埃洛爾-劉易斯和約翰-阿瓦隆，你們也不老。

I do want our viewers to hear what you said after that event.

我想讓我們的觀眾聽聽你在那件事之後說了些什麼。

The public seems to know or like something about this guy.

公眾似乎知道或喜歡這個人的一些事情。

所以，我們會，我們會接受它的事實。

The first election I ever voted in a long time ago was in 1980.

很久以前，我第一次參加選舉投票是在 1980 年。

And people said this B movie actor, Ronald Reagan, he was playing opposite a chimpanzee.

人們說這個B級片演員，羅納德-里根，他在和一隻黑猩猩演對手戲。

He couldn't possibly be a serious candidate for office.

他不可能是一個嚴肅的公職候選人。

That was about as unhinged street theater as you're ever going to see on a presidential stage.

這是你在總統舞臺上所能看到的最瘋狂的街頭戲劇了。

This isn't remotely analogous to Ronald Reagan, a two-term governor in California, not even a little bit.

這與羅納德-里根（Ronald Reagan，曾在加州連任兩屆州長）完全沒有可比性，甚至連一點可比性都沒有。

This is a reality TV show star trying to run to pump up his profile even more because he's drunk on pure ego.

這是一個真人秀明星，因為沉醉於純粹的自我，所以試圖通過競選來進一步提升自己的形象。

I mean, look, obviously no one could have anticipated that calling Mexicans rapists and murderers would lead to a growth in the Latino vote for Republicans.

我是說，聽著，顯然沒人能預料到，稱墨西哥人為強姦犯和殺人犯會導致拉美裔共和黨人的選票增加。

I think he ushered in a new era of populism that is a mirror to our culture, a reality TV show culture.

我認為他開創了一個民粹主義的新時代，這是我們文化的一面鏡子，也是電視真人秀文化的一面鏡子。

I also think he has demonstrably degraded our democracy over the past decade in ways that no one could have anticipated, involving lying about an election result and an attack on our Capitol.

我還認為，在過去十年中，他以任何人都無法預料的方式，包括謊報選舉結果和襲擊國會大廈，明顯地敗壞了我們的民主。

And certainly no one would have expected that he'd be reelected four years after that.

當然，也沒有人會想到，四年後他會再次當選。

So he was definitely a breaking of all precedent, more than just pure populism.

是以，他無疑是打破了所有先例，而不僅僅是純粹的民粹主義。

I just written a book called Wingnuts about extremism in American politics, and he seemed to be the acceleration of that.

我剛剛寫了一本關於美國政治極端主義的書，名叫《瘋子》（Wingnuts），他似乎是這本書的加速器。

And indeed he was.  Yeah, very much like John Berman.

他確實是  是啊，非常像約翰-伯曼。

I was expecting him to come down the escalator and say, stand by.

我還以為他會從自動扶梯上下來，然後說 "準備"。

And the answer may surprise you and, you know, make sure you watch my next TV special or whatever it might have been.

答案可能會讓你大吃一驚，你知道，一定要看我的下一個電視特別節目或其他什麼節目。

We thought it was a bit of hucksterism that was going on.

And then he came down and he did what nobody expected.

然後他下來了，做了一件出乎所有人意料的事。

And, you know, your news instinct kicks in.

然後，你知道，你的新聞本能就開始了。

It's like, OK, something I didn't expect, something very unlikely just happened.

這就像，好吧，我沒想到的事情，非常不可能的事情就這樣發生了。

I had interviewed Donald Trump one on one at Trump Tower only a few years prior, back when he was flirting with the idea.

幾年前，我曾在特朗普大廈一對一地採訪過唐納德-特朗普，當時他還在調侃自己的想法。

And it was, you know, it was much of that was the kind of leading people along.

你知道，這在很大程度上是在引導人們前進。

The answer may surprise you, all of that kind of stuff.

答案可能會讓你大吃一驚，諸如此類。

And I was prepared for one more round of it.

我已經做好了再來一輪的準備。

But now when when politics has changed fundamentally right in front of your face, it's one of the privileges of being a journalist.

但現在，當政治在你面前發生根本性變化時，這是作為記者的特權之一。

And it's a tsunami rolling through that you didn't expect.

And you kind of, you know, tell people what you've seen and tell them if you're going to do pattern recognition, which is most of what political analysis is.

你要告訴人們你看到了什麼，告訴他們你是否要進行模式識別，而這正是政治分析的大部分內容。

You also have to tell people when the pattern has been broken.

當模式被打破時，你還必須告訴別人。

Well, speaking of pattern recognition, John Berman, just the end of the clip that we played of Donald Trump saying make America great again.

說到模式識別，約翰-伯曼（John Berman），我們剛剛播放了唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump）說 "讓美國再次偉大"（make America great again）的片段結尾。

MAGA is not only is he consistent with that, it's become the Republican Party.

MAGA 不僅與他一致，而且已經成為共和黨的標誌。

So that's one thing that's really striking.

Of course, we heard him talking about immigration and the fact that he was using words that Republicans were trying to run away from demonizing illegal immigrants.

當然，我們聽到他談到了移民問題，以及他使用了共和黨人試圖逃避的妖魔化非法移民的字眼。

He had a press conference just a short while ago where he was using virtually the same language.

就在不久前的新聞發佈會上，他使用了幾乎相同的語言。

He talked about Iran and its nuclear capability.

It's really stunning how he has some of these these themes, never mind the branding, which has obviously made him who he is, but also some of the policies which he latched on to then.

他有這樣一些主題，真的令人驚歎，不要說品牌效應，這顯然造就了他，而且他當時還抓住了一些政策。

Yeah, look, a lot of the language is absolutely dead on.

是啊，聽著，很多語言都非常準確。

He's not talking about the wall anymore, which was such a big part of that first campaign in the beginning of his presidency.

他不再談論隔離牆，而這曾是他就任總統之初第一次競選活動的重要組成部分。

And I'm also just struck by something you said.

你說的一些話也讓我印象深刻。

You were in Florida covering Jeb Bush's announcement.

你在佛羅里達州報道傑布-布什的聲明。

And I think that's so essential to remember about because what Donald Trump was doing was juxtaposed to that.

我認為這一點非常重要，因為唐納德-特朗普的所作所為與此形成了鮮明對比。

It was the mirror image of what the Republican Party thought that it was.

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