Name: FBI：中國在美廣布「數百」代理人，鎖定批評者！ (FBI: China has ‘hundreds’ of proxies in the US, targeting critics)
Uploaded: 2026-03-16T16:35:33.000Z
Duration: 9 min 21 s

This is a campaign by the Chinese government to silence dissent on US Soil.

這是中國政府在美國本土壓制異議的行動。

I'm the Assistant Director of the Counterintelligence and Espionage Division for the FBI.

我是 FBI Counterintelligence and Espionage Division 的 Assistant Director。

How much of a national security threat is this phenomenon?

這個現象對國家安全有多大的威脅？

It's a huge priority for our adversaries, such as China, Russia, and Iran.

這對我們像中國、俄羅斯和伊朗這樣的adversaries來說，是個重大的優先事項。

所以這對我們來說也是個重大的優先事項。

And we're seeing more and more of these cases, and we're seeing escalating tactics.

我們看到越來越多的這類案件，而且手段也越來越激烈。

Everything, you know, from assassination, forced kidnapping to harassment, hiring organized crime or private investigators to go after people on US Soil.

從暗殺、強迫綁架到騷擾，僱用有組織犯罪或private investigators來對付美國本土的人，什麼都有。

所以這對我們來說是個大問題。

Yes, in the last few years, they've definitely intensified, and

是的，過去幾年，這些活動確實加劇了，而且

the tactics have escalated to, you know, violence and kidnapping and, you know, murder for hire.

策略也升級到，你知道的，暴力、綁架，還有，你知道的，僱凶殺人。

Anytime someone criticizes an authoritarian government, usually, or just any foreign government, and

任何批評威權政府，通常，或是任何外國政府的人，然後

then that government comes after the person on US Soil and tries to silence them through a variety of tactics.

這個政府就會在美國本土追捕這些人，並試圖用各種策略讓他們噤聲。

What specifically have you seen the Chinese government doing here in the US So, in some of our cases, we've seen them send officials here to harass individuals.

具體來說，你看到中國政府在這裡做了什麼？在我們的一些案件中，我們看到他們派官員來騷擾個人。

We've seen them hire private investigators to surveil people.

我們看到他們僱用私人偵探來監視人們。

We've seen them hire private investigators to try to get them to commit violence against individuals.

我們看到他們僱用私人偵探，試圖讓他們對個人施加暴力。

We've seen them hiring private investigators to destroy things.

我們看到他們僱用私人偵探來破壞東西。

Such as, there was a statue of Xi Jinping in California that criticized COVID policies, and

像是，加州有一座習近平的雕像，批評了COVID政策，然後

they hired a private investigator who burned it down.

他們僱用了一名私人偵探，把雕像燒毀了。

We've seen them threaten the families of these people who are still in China.

我們看到他們威脅這些還在中國的家屬。

We've seen them recruit US Government officials to try to get database access to see when an individual would travel so they could try to arrest him.

我們看到他們招募美國政府官員，試圖取得資料庫存取權限，以便知道個人何時會出國，好試圖逮捕他。

There are some loopholes that they take advantage of.

So, for example, if I'm a Chinese intelligence officer and I want to surveil you, I can hire a private investigator to follow you on a public street.

所以，舉例來說，如果我是一名中國情報官，想監視你，我可以僱用一名私人偵探，在公共街道上跟蹤你。

However, if that private investigator does something illegal, then it becomes illegal, and

不過，如果那位私人偵探做了違法的事情，那就會觸犯法律，

we can prosecute under the Agent of a Foreign Power Act.

我們就可以依據《外國勢力代理人法》來起訴。

There was a case, a prosecution indictment a couple of years ago, and

有這麼一個案子，幾年前有起訴的起訴書，

the case is ongoing involving allegations of a secret Chinese police station.

這個案子還在進行中，涉及一處祕密中國警站的指控。

We had been investigating this before the report came out, and

在報告出來之前，我們就已經在調查這件事了，

it was a police station that was covertly set up in Manhattan.

那是在曼哈頓祕密設立的一個警站。

And we executed a search warrant and arrested and indicted to individuals that were running the police station.

我們執行了搜查令，逮捕並起訴了兩名經營這個警站的人。

I can't say much about the prosecutions because they're still ongoing, but

關於起訴的部分我不能說太多，因為還在進行中，但是

I can say that in the indictment, we described how one of those two individuals was tasked by an MPS official in China to find a dissident that was the campaign manager for a former Tiananmen Square protester who was running for Congress in New York.

我可以說，在起訴書中，我們描述了其中一人如何被中國公安部官員指派，去尋找一位在紐約競選國會議員的、前天安門廣場抗議者的競選經理。

What is your reaction when you hear about, in your words, establishing a secret police station on U.S.

當你聽到，用你的話來說，在美國設立祕密警站時，你的反應是什麼？

It is a gross breach of U.S. sovereignty.

And, you know, we were all surprised when we.

說真的，我們都感到很驚訝，當我們。

And you can imagine the reaction if the FBI tried to set up a covert station in Beijing.

你也可以想像一下，如果 FBI 試圖在北京設立祕密站點，會有什麼樣的反應。

And obviously the US Government does not appreciate what China did with that.

顯然，美國政府並不欣賞中國這麼做。

From what I understand, in that particular case, it involves a Chinese kind of home association where you have almost clubs that are people of Chinese origin that still have ties back to home.

依我瞭解，在那個特定案例中，涉及的是一種中國的同鄉會，裡面有許多中國籍人士組成的類似社團，他們仍然與家鄉保持聯繫。

How much of a concern are things like this in emigre communities that might cross a line?

像這種可能會越界的行為，在移民社群中有多令人擔憂？

There is a lot of concern, and that's, you know, that's kind of the point of transnational repression.

確實非常令人擔憂，這也是 Transnational repression 的重點所在。

所以我常常被問到，這樣做有效嗎？

The tactics are often crude, you know, burning down a statue or threatening people.

這些策略常常很粗糙，像是燒毀雕像或威脅人們。

But the main goal is to create a climate of fear in the community.

但主要目的是在社群中製造恐懼的氛圍。

So for every brave person that's willing to speak out there, you know, probably a thousand people that choose to stay silent and censor themselves.

所以，對於每一個願意發聲的勇敢的人，你知道，可能有一千個人選擇保持沉默並自我審查。

And here in the US Here in the US and that's really the point of transnational repression, Right?

在美國，在美國，這確實是 transnational repression 的重點所在，對吧？

They do these very overt things to scare the rest of the community, and

他們會做這些非常明顯的事情來嚇唬整個社群，而且

they recruit people to report, you know, within the community.

他們會招募人來舉報，你知道，在社群內部。

So they're creating this Orwellian climate of fear where everyone is afraid to speak out, even though they're on US Soil and it's their right to do so.

所以他們正在製造這種歐威爾式的恐懼氛圍，讓每個人都不敢發聲，即使他們在 US Soil 上，而且這是他們的權利。

And so, yes, it is a major concern in the Chinese diaspora, you know, that someone will report them to the Chinese government, and

所以，是的，這確實是海外華人社群的一大隱憂，你知道，擔心有人會向中國政府舉報他們，然後

the Chinese government will retaliate against their family or in some other way.

中國政府會報復他們的家人或以其他方式。

Do you hear that from citizens of Chinese origin here in the U.S. definitely.

你在這裡的美國華裔公民那裡聽到過這種情況嗎？絕對有。

I've heard that many times where victims will say, I don't want to.

我聽過很多次，受害者會說，我不想。

I don't want to cooperate with you because I don't want them to come after my family, my elderly parents, or whoever is still back in China, it has become a lot more brazen over the last few years, and

我不想配合你們，因為我不想他們找我家人、我年邁的父母，或是還在中國的任何人算帳，這幾年來，他們的行為變得越來越囂張，而且

we're trying very hard to, you know, bring these cases to light to tell the entire story of how this is being directed from the highest levels of the Chinese government.

我們正非常努力地，你知道，把這些案件公諸於世，講述整個故事，說明這一切是如何從中國政府最高層指揮的。

In another example, we had a professor that came over in the early 2000s who started basically a fake pro democracy foundation so he could keep tabs on the real pro democracy activists.

另一個例子是，我們有一位教授在 2000 年代初期來到這裡，他創辦了一個假的民主基金會，以便他能監控真正的民主運動人士。

So it's been very aggressive and widespread.

And from what you're describing, it sounds like there are different levels of American society that have actually been compromised at this point.

根據你的描述，聽起來美國社會的不同層級，在這個階段都已經受到影響了。

Can you describe the scale of resources that the FBI employs to combat this?

你可以描述一下 FBI 在對抗這件事上動用了多少資源嗎？

We have hundreds of people working on this.

Should people here in the US Be paranoid and looking over their shoulders for agents or proxies of foreign adversaries?

美國這裡的人們，是不是應該要變得多疑，並且隨時提防來自外國敵對勢力的特工或代理人？

If you're a vocal dissident with a large following, I would say yes.

如果你是一位有大量追隨者的意見領袖，我會說是的。

If you're popular and vocal and have a very large following, you'll be seen as a threat by these governments.

如果你很受歡迎、敢於發聲，並且擁有龐大的追隨者，這些政府就會把你視為一個威脅。

If the threat is so real here in the US do you have estimates of how many people might be acting as proxies for or as agents for a government like China here?

如果在美國這裡威脅這麼真實，你大概估計有多少人可能在為像中國這樣的政府在這裡充當代理人或特工？

I couldn't give you exact numbers because, you know, is it in the hundreds or thousands?

我無法給你確切的數字，因為，你知道，是幾百人還是幾千人？

Does the same go for other countries, other governments like Iran and Russia?

其他國家，像伊朗和俄羅斯這樣的政府，情況也一樣嗎？

Well, their resources are far more limited than China's.

嗯，他們的資源比中國的少得多。

China has vast resources to deploy against this problem, whereas Russianot problem, I'm sorry, to deploy for this purpose.

中國有龐大的資源可以部署來解決這個問題，而俄羅斯的問題，抱歉，是為了這個目的而部署。

Russia and Iran are far more limited, so I would not say hundreds for them.

俄羅斯和伊朗的資源非常有限，所以我不會說他們有幾百人。

But that brings an interesting kind of comparison.