Name: 卡伯·馬特 – 瘋狂的智慧專家訪談！ (Gabor Mate – CRAZYWISE Expert Interview)
Uploaded: 2026-02-28T14:15:32.000Z
Duration: 4 min 9 s

基礎被動語態

One of the talks that I give is entitled the Myth of Normal, which is to say that we think that there are people who are normal over here, and

我有一個演講的主題是「正常的神話」，意思是我們覺得這裡有一群正常人，

then there's the pathological ones who have depression or anxiety or addiction or schizophrenia or bipolar disorder or any number of other ADHD or any number of other conditions.

然後有那些病態的，像是憂鬱症、焦慮症、成癮、思覺失調症、雙極性情感障礙症，或是其他任何過動症等等的狀況。

What I see is a continuum that we're all on a continuum.

我看到的其實是一個連續光譜，我們都在這個連續光譜上。

These traits to one league or another are present in almost everybody.

這些特質或多或少都存在於幾乎所有人身上。

And it's a mythology to think that there's the normal and then there's the abnormal.

所以認為有正常和不正常之分，這根本就是神話。

Well, according to the research, the best place to be a schizophrenic in the world is not North America with all its pharmacopoeia.

嗯，根據研究，在全世界當一個思覺失調症患者最好的地方，不是在北美，那裡有各種藥典。

It's actually a village in Africa or India where there's acceptance, where people make room for your differentness, where connection is not broken but is maintained, where you're not excluded and ostracized, but

反而是非洲或印度的某個村落，那裡有接納，人們會為你的不同之處騰出空間，連結不會斷裂而是被維持，你不會被排斥或孤立，

And when there's room for you to act out whatever you need to act out or to express whatever you need to express.

而且當有空間讓你去表現你需要表現的一切，或是表達你需要表達的一切時。

And the whole community might even sing with you or chant with you or hold ceremony with you, maybe find some meaning in your quote, unquote craziness.

整個社群甚至可能會跟你一起唱歌、一起唸誦，或者跟你一起舉行儀式，或許能在你的「所謂」瘋狂中找到一些意義。

所以這是概念上的，也是文化上的。

So disease is not an isolated phenomenon of an individual.

所以疾病不是個人孤立的現象。

It's a culturally manufactured or culturally constructed paradigm.

這是一個文化製造或文化建構的典範。

So a society that cuts us off from our spirituality, that cuts us off from society by idealizing individualism and by destroying social contexts, which our society does, which ignores our emotional needs, is going to be a society that generates pathology.

所以一個將我們與靈性隔絕、透過理想化個人主義並摧毀社會脈絡來將我們與社會隔絕的社會，我們的社會就是這樣，它忽略了我們的情感需求，將會是一個產生病理的社會。

And I think that has to do with the very nature of the economic system that says that what matters is not who you are, but

我認為這跟經濟體系的本質有關，這個體系說重要的不是你是誰，而是

And our society values people for material.

It's a materialistic society, which specifically means that what we value is not who people are, but

這是一個物質主義社會，這特別意味著我們看重的不在於人本身，而是

他們生產了什麼或消費了什麼。

And the people that neither consume nor produce, they're ostracized.

而那些既不消費也不生產的人，他們被排斥了。

They're not shunted aside, and they're totally devalued.

他們沒有被排擠，而且他們完全不被重視。

Hence the rejection of old people, because they no longer produce.

是以老年人被排斥，因為他們不再生產。

And they're not rich enough to consume a lot either.

而且他們也不夠有錢可以大量消費。

So the very nature of this materialistic society dictates or generates and promotes that separation from ourselves.

所以這個物質主義社會的本質，就決定了或產生並推動了這種與我們自身的疏離。

I'm not speaking about a operative creature up there out there somewhere doing things and deciding things, but

我說的不是某個在外面運作的生物，在做決定，而是

there's an intelligence in nature and creation that if we ignore, we create suffering for ourselves and other people.

大自然和造物中有一種智慧，如果我們忽略它，我們就會為自己和他人製造痛苦。

And aligning with that intelligence and aligning with that connection is really what.

而與這種智慧連結，與這種連結連結，才是真正重要的。

Whether we do so consciously or whether we do so because we're called to do that in ways that manifest compassion and connection and love.

無論是我們有意識地這麼做，還是因為我們被呼喚，以展現慈悲、連結和愛的方式來這麼做。

And so the recognizing that and the striving for it is what I call spirituality.

所以，認識到這一點並努力追求它，這就是我所說的靈性。

Sometimes religion is an obstacle to that.

But it may be a conduit to it as well, depending on who and how and where.

但它也可能是一個管道，這取決於對象、方式和地點。

Many other paths that are not religious, but

fundamentally there's this spiritual nature that if we ignore, we're actually ignoring an essential part of ourselves.

基本上，我們內在有這種靈性本質，如果我們忽略它，其實就是忽略了我們自身很重要的一部分。