Name: 美國司法部正在調查明尼蘇達州州長與明尼阿波利斯市長，疑涉妨礙執法！ (Sources: DOJ probes MN governor, Minneapolis mayor for alleged obstruction of law enforcement)
Uploaded: 2026-01-17T17:17:54.000Z
Duration: 11 min 13 s

We begin tonight with breaking news in Minnesota and the showdown between the Trump administration, Democratic leaders on the ground.

我們今晚從明尼蘇達州的突發新聞開始，以及 Trump administration 和當地 Democratic leaders 之間的對峙。

The Justice Department is now investigating Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey.

Justice Department 正在調查 Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz 和 Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey。

Now, the investigation apparently centers on possible obstruction of federal law enforcement.

據說這次調查的重點是涉嫌 obstruction of federal law enforcement。

Both Waltz and Frey have been fierce critics of the Trump administration's response to the death of Renee Good.

Waltz 和 Frey 兩人都是 Trump administration's response to the death of Renee Good 的激烈批評者。

Opening an investigation into them is certainly a dramatic escalation in this battle between of the White House and these leaders.

對他們展開調查，無疑是 White House 和這些領導人之間這場戰鬥的戲劇性升級。

While the DOJ is now investigating the conduct of Democratic state and local leaders, they made clear they are not investigating the officer who actually shot and killed Renee Good.

雖然 DOJ 正在調查 Democratic state and local leaders 的行為，但他們明確表示，他們並沒有調查實際槍殺 Renee Good 的 officer。

Now earlier this week, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche said in a statement, quote, there is currently no basis for a criminal civil rights investigation.

這週早些時候，Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche 在一份聲明中表示，引述，目前沒有 criminal civil rights investigation 的基礎。

The DOJ Civil Rights Division typically launches investigations into law enforcement related shootings to make sure that officers did not breach the rights of the shooting victims.

DOJ Civil Rights Division 通常會對與執法相關的槍擊案展開調查，以確保 officer 沒有侵犯槍擊受害者的權利。

Blanche's statement came amid a flurry of resignations in the Minnesota U.S. attorney's office.

Blanche 的聲明是在明尼蘇達州美國檢察官辦公室出現一系列辭職潮之際發表的。

As we reported, at least six prosecutors left after pressure to focus the probe of the ICE officer shooting onto Good's widow, Becca Goode, and

根據我們的報導，至少有六名檢察官在壓力下離開，要求將 ICE officer 槍擊案的調查重點放在 Good 的遺孀 Becca Goode 和

When reached for comment about the investigation, Governor Tim Walts did not confirm it to cnn, but

當 cnn 聯繫 Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz 對這項調查發表評論時，他沒有證實，但

accused the federal government of, in his words, weaponizing the justice system and threatening political opponents.

指控聯邦政府，用他的話來說，是將司法系統武器化，並威脅政治對手。

He called that a dangerous authoritarian tactic.

他稱這是一種危險的威權手段。

Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry just released a statement that reads in part, this is an obvious attempt to intimidate me for standing up for Minneapolis, our local law enforcement and our residents against the chaos and danger this administration has brought to our streets.

Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey 剛剛發表聲明，其中一部分內容是，這顯然是為了恐嚇我，因為我為了明尼蘇達市、我們的當地執法部門以及我們的居民，站出來對抗這個 administration 帶給我們街道的混亂和危險。

Now, news of the investigation came as Deputy Attorney General Blanche and FBI Director Cash Patel were on the ground in Minneapolis.

現在，這項調查的消息傳出之際，Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche 和 FBI Director Cash Patel 正在明尼蘇達市現場。

The FBI director posting these photos to social media along with the caption that read in part, this team is working 247 here, cracking down on violent rioters.

FBI Director 在社群媒體上發布了這些照片，並附上部分內容為，這個團隊在這裡 24/7 運作，嚴厲打擊暴力暴徒。

And this was the scene today at the Whipple Federal Building, the epicenter of protests in Minneapolis.

而這裡就是今天 Whipple Federal Building 的景象，這裡是明尼蘇達市抗議活動的中心。

The building serving as a staging facility for ICE agents, DHS officers and Customs and Border Protection personnel.

這棟建築是 ICE agents、DHS officers 和 Customs and Border Protection personnel 的集結場所。

This all comes one day after President Trump threatened to invoke the Insurrection act in Minnesota.

這一切都發生在前一天，川普總統才威脅要在明尼蘇達州引用叛亂法。

Late this morning, he issued a social media post that read in part, the governor and mayor don't know what to do.

今天上午晚些時候，他發布了一則社群媒體貼文，其中一部分寫著，州長和市長不知道該怎麼辦。

They have totally lost control and are currently being rendered useless.

他們已經完全失控，目前也無能為力。

If and when I am forced to act, it will be solved quickly and effectively.

如果我被迫採取行動，而且是時候了，就會迅速有效地解決。

This afternoon, he was asked what the trigger would be for the Insurrection act to be used in Minnesota.

今天下午，有人問他，什麼情況下會觸發在明尼蘇達州使用叛亂法。

如果我需要的話，我會使用的。

I don't think there's any reason right now to use it, but

我認為現在沒有理由使用它，但是

For the latest on the investigation to Governor Waltz and Mayor Fry, we start with Kaitlan Collins, CNS chief White House correspondent and anchor of the Source.

關於 Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz 和 Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey 的最新調查進度，我們請 cnn 首席白宮記者兼節目「The Source」主持人 Kaitlan Collins 來報導。

What we know so far is that a grand jury has issued subpoenas.

到目前為止我們知道的是，大陪審團已經發出了傳票。

It's definitely in the beginning stages, based on what we know.

根據我們所知，這絕對還在初期階段。

But what we've also learned tonight is we don't believe that Mayor Fry or Governor Walz's offices have actually been served these subpoenas.

但我們今晚也得知，我們不認為 Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey 或 Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz 的辦公室已經收到這些傳票。

Neither of them had gotten any notice about this investigation until we had reached out to our sources and then reached out to them for comment on this.

直到我們聯繫消息來源，然後再聯繫他們徵求意見之前，他們兩人對這項調查都沒有收到任何通知。

And so the scope of it is not entirely clear.

所以它的範圍並不是完全清楚。

But what we do know is that it's around allegations of obstructing federal law enforcement, and

但我們確實知道的是，這與 obstruction of federal law enforcement 的指控有關，

that's really just been pointing back to nothing they've done physically.

這真的都只是指向他們沒有實際做過的事。

What we've heard from Mayor Fry, what we've heard from Governor Walz, who have been very outspoken and critical of the federal surge that has been happening in their state, about 3,000 agents are actually there on the ground.

我們從 Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey 和 Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz 那裡聽到的，他們對聯邦政府湧入他們州、大約三千名特工實際在當地執勤，發表了很多直言不諱的批評。

It was the mayor who that first night, earlier the week said, get the F out of.

是這位市長在那晚、這週稍早說的，滾出去。

And then Governor Tim Walz this week said, encouraged people to record ICE officers as they were agents, as they were carrying out these enforcement operations and telling them to call 911 if necessary.

然後 Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz 這週說，鼓勵大家在 ICE officer 執行這些執法行動時錄影，並告訴他們必要時撥打 911。

Now, the administration has been very critical of that.

現在，Trump administration 對此非常批評。

But whether or not that warrants an investigation or that meets the standard of criminal behavior, obviously it remains to be seen how the administration is going to prove that Governor Waltz gave a speech, you know, when she said, you know, protest, protest peacefully.

但這是否構成調查，或者是否達到 criminal behavior 的標準，顯然還有待觀察，Trump administration 將如何證明 Governor Tim Waltz 發表的演講，你知道的，她說，你知道的，抗議，和平抗議。

And the mayor, I think, recently gave a speech in which he said also, you know, don't fall into the trap of, you know, giving them what they want and creating violence.

而我認為市長最近也發表了一場演講，其中他說，你知道的，不要落入陷阱，你知道的，給他們想要的，製造暴力。

And the administration has argued that they are helping contribute to this and make it a hostile environment for these ICE agents and federal officers who are still on the ground.

而 administration 一直認為，他們正在助長這種情況，並為仍在現場的 ICE agents 和 federal officers 營造敵對環境。

We've heard the exact opposite, obviously, from Governor Walzen and Mayor Fry, who have said, no, they just don't want all of these federal agents inside their cities.

我們顯然聽到了 Governor Walzen 和 Mayor Fry 的完全相反說法，他們說，不，他們只是不希望所有這些 federal agents 進入他們的城市。

They don't think that they're necessary, and

they think they're the ones who are actually making the tensions on the ground worse.

他們認為是他們實際上讓現場的緊張局勢變得更糟。

Which they say were building way before the shooting death by that ICE agent of Renee Good.

他們說，這是在 ICE agent 射殺 Renee Good 之前很久就已經在醞釀的了。

And so we'll see where this goes and if they actually get these subpoenas, hopefully learn more about the investigation.

所以我們拭目以待，看看這會如何發展，以及他們是否真的能拿到這些 subpoena，希望能更瞭解這次調查。

The the federal former prosecutor Jeffrey Toobin joins me right now.

前聯邦檢察官 Jeffrey Toobin 現在加入我。

So Jeff, has the governor or the mayor done anything, as far as you can tell to warrant a federal investigation?

所以 Jeff，就你所知，州長或市長有做什麼事，值得聯邦調查嗎？

Or is this just, you know, the thing that this White House would do, whether it's political retribution or just, you know, sowing chaos?

還是說，這只是這個 White House 會做的事，不管是政治報復，還是隻是，你知道的，製造混亂？

This week began with news that the Justice Department was criminally investigating Jerome Powell, the head of the Federal Reserve, basically to coerce him into lowering interest rates.

這週一開始，有消息傳出 Justice Department 正在刑事調查 Federal Reserve 主席 Jerome Powell，基本上是要逼他降低利率。

Now the week is ending with news of a criminal investigation of of these two Minnesota officials who are trying to protect their city and state.

現在這週要結束了，卻傳出刑事調查這兩位 Minnesota 官員的消息，他們只是想保護自己的城市和州。

What's going on here is the Justice Department is doing the political bidding of the White House.

現在的情況是，Justice Department 正在替 White House 辦事。

This has never happened before, even during the Nixon administration.

這種事以前從未發生過，即使在 Nixon administration 期間也是。

This sort of politicization of the Justice Department.

這種對 Justice Department 的政治化操作。

I mean, you know, we've worn out the phrase shocking but not surprising.

我是說，你知道的，我們已經聽到太多「令人震驚但並不意外」這句話了。

But that's what's going on with this Justice Department.

但這就是現在這個 Justice Department 的狀況。

Let me give you the pushback that we've had guests on this program, you know, Republican supporters of the White House say, which is, well, look, Justice Department always is under the president.

讓我想跟各位說說，我們在節目上聽到的反駁，像是 White House 的共和黨支持者說的，他們說，你看，Justice Department 本來就一直在總統底下。

You know, Robert F. Kennedy was the attorney general for his brother when his brother was president.

你知道，Robert F. Kennedy 在他哥哥當總統的時候，就是他哥哥的司法部長。

Eric Holder was a, you know, close friend of President Obama.

Eric Holder 也是，你知道的，跟 Obama 總統是很好的朋友。

I mean, the Justice Department has always been a cabinet department of the president.

我的意思是，Justice Department 一直都是總統內閣底下的部門。

But you have to look at what they're doing, not just the relationship.

但你得看看他們在做什麼，而不只是看他們之間的關係。

And what you see is criminal investigations.

And remember, it's also the failed prosecution of James Comey, the failed prosecution of Tish James, this endless use of the Justice Department against the president's political enemies.

而且別忘了，還有對 James Comey 的失敗起訴，對 Tish James 的失敗起訴，這種無窮無盡地利用 Justice Department 來對付總統的政敵。

It's always true that the Justice Department is part of the executive branch, but.

Justice Department 確實一直是行政部門的一部分，但是。

But what you have to do is look at what they are actually doing.

但你得看看他們實際在做什麼。

And these investigations seem, as far as anyone can tell, and

而這些調查看起來，就大家所知，

I'm certainly one of them, have nothing to do with actual violations of the law and everything to do with the political agenda of the president.

我當然也是其中之一，跟實際的違法行為一點關係都沒有，卻跟總統的政治議程有著絕對的關係。

Do you think this is one kind of step toward preparing people for an insurrection act?

你覺得這是為叛亂法案做準備的一種步驟嗎？

You know, the president has been dancing around that.

你知道，總統一直在迴避這個問題。

You know, the last time, as I understand it, that the insurrection act was used over the objection of local officials was by President Eisenhower during the school integration crisis.

你知道，據我所知，上次反對地方官員使用叛亂法案，是艾森豪總統在學校整合危機期間採取的。

I mean, this is something that has almost Never been done in American history.

我的意思是，這在美國歷史上幾乎從未發生過。

And remember, the Insurrection act involves the military, not the National Guard.

而且請記得，叛亂法案涉及的是軍隊，而不是國民兵。

So what you're talking about is moving tanks and the US Military, not the National Guard.

所以你說的是調動坦克和美軍，而不是國民兵。

Our soldiers are trained for many things, but they are not trained for controlling demonstrations in American cities.

我們的阿兵哥受過很多訓練，但他們沒有受過在美國城市控制示威的訓練。

And it is a chilling thought to think that they might be brought out when Minneapolis is again, as far as I can tell is, you know, there are protests, but

而且想到他們可能會在明尼阿波利斯再次出現，據我所知，那裡有抗議活動，但

there is nothing particularly out of the ordinary.

Well, the thing is people exercising their First Amendment rights.

嗯，重點是人們在行使他們的第一修正案權利。

They would be helping ICE to continue, you know, seeking people, questioning people, asking people for their id.

他們會協助 ICE 繼續，你知道，尋找人們、盤問人們、要求人們出示證件。

And the only way they're really doing that would be blocking civilians or kind of quelling any protests from civilians so that ICE can go about their functions, I assume, or they are helping secure every location where ICE is and is operating.

而且他們真正這樣做的唯一方式就是阻止平民，或者平息平民的任何抗議，以便 ICE 可以繼續執行其職責，我猜，或者他們正在協助保護 ICE 所在和運營的每一個地點。