Name: 範-瓊斯展示了查理-柯克遇害前一天發給他的資訊 (Van Jones shows the message Charlie Kirk sent him one day before he was killed)
Uploaded: 2025-09-20T23:53:19.000Z
Duration: 4 min 41 s

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Students at Utah Valley University gathered to pay tribute to Charlie Kirk who was assassinated on their campus just nine days ago.

猶他谷大學（Utah Valley University）的學生們聚集在一起，悼念九天前在校園內遇刺身亡的查理-柯克（Charlie Kirk）。

The vigil comes ahead of Sunday's funeral for Kirk.

守夜活動是在週日柯克葬禮之前舉行的。

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Tens of thousands are expected to attend including President Trump.

預計將有包括特朗普總統在內的數萬人出席。

His murder and some unexpected outreach that Kirk made the day before his death had resonated with our CNN colleague Van Jones.

他的謀殺案以及柯克在死前一天所做的一些出人意料的宣傳引起了我們 CNN 同事範-瓊斯（Van Jones）的共鳴。

The story begins when a Ukrainian woman was fatally stabbed last month in North Carolina.

故事要從上個月一名烏克蘭婦女在北卡羅來納州被刺身亡說起。

The suspect is a black man and Charlie Kirk and Van got into a public sparring match online.

嫌疑人是一名黑人，查理-柯克和範在網上公開爭吵。

Kirk claimed the murder happened because she was white.

柯克聲稱謀殺發生的原因是她是白人。

Van denounced that as completely unfounded.

Kirk then sent out what Van calls a fire hose of tweets challenging his argument which Van says sparked death threats against him.

隨後，科克發出了一條範稱之為 "消防水龍頭 "的推文，對他的論點提出質疑，範說這引發了對他的死亡威脅。

In the midst of all of this, Kirk reached out to Van in a direct message on X.

在這期間，柯克在 X 上直接發消息聯繫了範。

I'd love to have you on my show to have a respectful conversation about crime and race.

我很樂意邀請您參加我的節目，就犯罪和種族問題進行一場相互尊重的對話。

I would be a gentleman as I know you would be as well.

We can disagree about the issues agreeably.

我們可以就問題達成一致意見。

Van says he did not see it until the very next day after Kirk was murdered.

範說他直到柯克被殺的第二天才看到它。

Van Jones just wrote a piece about this for CNN.com and is here tonight.

範-瓊斯（Van Jones）剛剛為CNN.com寫了一篇文章，今晚就在這裡。

So this was received the day before he was killed.

是以，這是他遇害前一天收到的。

是啊，你看，我的意思是，我們是牛肉。

We were going at it online, on air, and then after he died, after he was murdered, my team called and said, Van, he was trying to reach you, man.

他死後，他被謀殺後，我的團隊打電話說，範，他想聯繫你，夥計。

Let's be gentlemen on this, and I'm watching the whole country talk about civil war, censorship, justifying murder, about this guy?

讓我們紳士一點，我看著整個國家都在談論內戰、審查制度、為謀殺辯護，而這個人呢？

This guy is reaching out to his mortal enemy saying we need to be gentlemen, sit down together, and disagree agreeably.

這傢伙正向他的死敵伸出援手，說我們需要保持紳士風度，坐在一起，以協商一致的方式解決分歧。

And I've sat on it long enough and I just said, you know what?

我已經坐了足夠長的時間，我只是說，你知道嗎？

We're going to Memorial Weekend for this man.

我們要為這個人去 "陣亡將士紀念日"。

我們不是朋友，好吧，根本不是。

But you praise the good when it's time to memorialize somebody.

但在紀念某人的時候，你要讚美好人。

And what he did, and I didn't even know it, was good.

他所做的，我甚至都不知道，是好事。

He was for dialogue, open debate and dialogue, even with me, even with me.

他支持對話、公開辯論和對話，甚至是與我的對話，甚至是與我的對話。

If, would you have gone on his show, would you have?

如果是你，你會參加他的節目嗎？

No, look, I would have probably tried to get him on your show.

不，聽著，我可能會想辦法讓他上你的節目。

I mean I wasn't trying to build this platform, but I would have called him, we would have talked, and we would have started the process of trying to figure this stuff out.

我的意思是，我並不是想建立這個平臺，但我會打電話給他，我們會談談，然後我們就會開始嘗試解決這個問題。

And I think what happens is people get so worked up, Anderson, seeing us go at it, they think they're supposed to go out and kill somebody, or go out and talk about civil war, or go out and silence people, or cancel people, or fire people, or censor people.

安德森，我認為發生的事情是人們太激動了，看到我們這樣做，他們認為他們應該出去殺人，或者出去談論內戰，或者出去讓人們保持沉默，或者取消人們的資格，或者解僱人們，或者審查人們。

About Charlie Kirk, Mr. Debate, I did not agree with him on literally almost anything.

關於查理-柯克，辯論先生，我幾乎在任何事情上都不同意他的觀點。

我們是文字工作者，不是武器工作者。

And we were getting into a position where we could get some real debate going, whether it's gonna be on CNN, on his show, that wasn't worked out.

不管是在 CNN 還是在他的節目上，我們都有機會展開真正的辯論，但都沒有成功。

I wanted to beat Charlie Kirk in a debate.

And the idea that now people on both sides are justifying murders and calling for civil wars, we gotta calm this down, Anderson.

現在雙方的人都在為謀殺辯護，呼籲內戰，我們必須冷靜下來，安德森。

Yes, we disagree, but like he said, we can disagree agreeably.

是的，我們有不同意見，但就像他說的，我們可以達成一致。

We should take that spirit into the memorial weekend.

我們應該把這種精神帶到紀念週末。

You also wrote that in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murders, Americans have a choice.

你還寫道，在查理-柯克謀殺案發生後，美國人可以做出選擇。

They can choose more violence, more outrage, more censorship, or a different way.

他們可以選擇更多的暴力、更多的憤怒、更多的審查，也可以選擇不同的方式。

It's similar to what the governor in Utah, Spencer Cox, has said in recent days.

這與猶他州州長斯賓塞-考克斯最近幾天所說的話相似。

This could be the beginning of us getting off of this pathway, but the pathway we're on, Anderson, is scary.

這可能是我們走出這條路的開始，但我們現在走的路，安德森，很可怕。

It's about more, more, more of everything that nobody wants, but we can't seem to get off of it.

這是關於更多，更多，更多的一切，沒有人想要，但我們似乎無法擺脫它。

Charlie Kirk, in his last message to me, was pointing a way out.

查理-柯克在給我的最後一條資訊中指出了一條出路。

Civil discourse, civil dialogue, debate, let's disagree agreeably.

文明討論、文明對話、辯論，讓我們在意見分歧上達成一致。

If you want to get off this train, we can do it this weekend.

如果你想下車，我們可以在本週末下車。

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