Name: 美國總統特朗普稱俄羅斯和烏克蘭應 "立即 "開始停火談判 | BBC News (US President Trump says Russia and Ukraine to ‘immediately’ start ceasefire negotiations | BBC News)
Uploaded: 2025-05-20T02:53:02.000Z
Duration: 7 min 12 s

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President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin have both been reacting positively after they spent two hours talking on the phone.

唐納德-特朗普總統和俄羅斯總統弗拉基米爾-普京在通話兩小時後都做出了積極反應。

It comes as Washington continues to push to end the fighting in Ukraine.

這是在華盛頓繼續推動結束烏克蘭戰事之際發生的。

Well, in the last hour, the American leader has posted on social media about the talks.

在過去的一個小時裡，美國領導人在社交媒體上發佈了關於會談的消息。

He said he believes the call went very well, adding that Russia and Ukraine will immediately start negotiations towards a ceasefire and, more importantly, bring an end to the war.

他說，他相信通話進行得非常順利，並補充說俄羅斯和烏克蘭將立即開始談判以實現停火，更重要的是結束戰爭。

He went on, the tone and spirit of the conversation were excellent, before adding that Russia wants to do large-scale trade with the United States when this catastrophic bloodbath is over.

他接著說，談話的語氣和精神都非常好，然後又補充說，俄羅斯希望在這場災難性的流血衝突結束後與美國進行大規模貿易。

Let's go straight to our correspondent at the White House, Nomia Iqbal.

讓我們直接連線本臺駐白宮記者諾米婭-伊克巴爾。

Nomia, just to be clear, first of all, we're talking here about negotiations about a ceasefire, not negotiations exactly about ending the war permanently.

諾米婭，首先要明確一點，我們現在談的是停火談判，而不是徹底結束戰爭的談判。

And there's no breakthrough, I would say, in those peace negotiations.

我可以說，這些和平談判沒有取得任何突破。

And I would say that President Trump portrayed this conversation more positively than Vladimir Putin did.

我要說，特朗普總統比普京更積極地描述了這次談話。

He talked about possible future peace agreements.

他談到了未來可能達成的和平協議。

Donald Trump said that he, well, I mean, he said that, as you mentioned there, the conversation was warm and friendly, but he focused a lot more on the economic benefits that might be in store for Russia and Ukraine when the war ends.

唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump）說，他，嗯，我是說，他說，就像你提到的那樣，談話是熱情友好的，但他更關注的是戰爭結束後俄羅斯和烏克蘭可能獲得的經濟利益。

Essentially, what it sounds like is President Trump is saying it's up to both sides to work it out and essentially come up with the conditions for a negotiation, for a ceasefire and, ultimately, to end the war.

從根本上說，特朗普總統的意思是，應該由雙方來解決這個問題，為談判、停火以及最終結束戰爭創造條件。

And so it's not really the U.S. walking away.

是以，並不是美國真的要退出。

It sounds like they will continue to push both sides to work it out.

聽起來他們會繼續推動雙方解決問題。

But, ultimately, he's letting them decide.

但最終，他還是讓他們來決定。

And that's where I think there is that huge challenge, because we know that there are things that Russia will not concede on and there are things that Ukraine will not concede on.

這就是我認為存在巨大挑戰的地方，因為我們知道，有些事情俄羅斯不會讓步，有些事情烏克蘭也不會讓步。

Mr. Trump did say that he has informed President Zelensky, as well as other key allies, including the European commissioner, about the phone conversation.

特朗普先生確實說過，他已經向澤倫斯基總統以及包括歐盟委員在內的其他重要盟友通報了這次電話交談。

But, as I say, there was no major breakthrough in that conversation, and I don't think there was expected to be.

但是，正如我所說的那樣，這次對話沒有取得重大突破，我也不認為會有重大突破。

諾米亞-伊克巴爾在白宮為我們報道。

Well, the Russian leader has also been speaking about that conversation.

俄羅斯領導人也談到了這次談話。

President Putin said it was, in his words, very informative and quite a frank talk.

普京總統說，用他的話說，這是一次內容豐富、相當坦誠的會談。

We agreed with the president of the United States that Russia will propose and is ready to work with the Ukrainian side on a memorandum regarding a possible future peace treaty, outlining a number of positions, such as the principles of resolution, the timeline for a potential peace agreement, and so on, including the possible cessation of hostilities for a certain period in the event of reaching specific agreements.

我們與美國總統商定，俄羅斯將提議並準備與烏克蘭方面就未來可能達成的和平條約簽署一份備忘錄，概述若干立場，如解決原則、可能達成的和平協議的時間表等，包括在達成具體協議的情況下可能在一定時期內停止敵對行動。

A short time ago I spoke to our Russia editor, Steve Rosenberg, in Moscow, and he gave us his reaction to what we have heard about the Russian side of this phone call.

不久前，我在莫斯科採訪了我們的俄羅斯編輯史蒂夫-羅森伯格（Steve Rosenberg），他向我們介紹了他對我們所聽到的俄羅斯方面對這次通話的反應。

Remember, America, European leaders, and Ukraine have been pushing Russia to sign up to a 30-day unconditional ceasefire.

請記住，美國、歐洲領導人和烏克蘭一直在推動俄羅斯簽署為期 30 天的無條件停火協議。

Russia has been resisting that all along, and still, after this conversation, there's no talk about a ceasefire now.

俄羅斯一直在抵制這一點，而在這次對話之後，仍然沒有談及停火。

However, Mr Putin's press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, after Vladimir Putin's comments, said, I think in an attempt to flatter Donald Trump, talked about how Russia saw America as a neutral party now, and basically blamed Europe for wanting the war to continue, trying to drive a wedge between America and Europe, and trying to flatter Donald Trump.

然而，普京的新聞祕書德米特里-佩斯科夫（Dmitry Peskov）在普京發表評論後卻說，我認為這是在試圖奉承唐納德-特朗普，他談到俄羅斯如何將美國視為現在的中立方，並基本上指責歐洲希望戰爭繼續下去，試圖在美國和歐洲之間打入楔子，並試圖奉承唐納德-特朗普。

史蒂夫-羅森伯格（Steve Rosenberg）在莫斯科。

Well, we're joined now by Daniel Byman, who is the director of the Warfare Irregular Threats and Terrorism Programme at the think tank, the Centre for Strategic and International Studies.

丹尼爾-拜曼（Daniel Byman）是智庫 "戰略與國際研究中心"（Centre for Strategic and International Studies）的 "非正規戰爭威脅與恐怖主義計劃"（Warfare Irregular Threats and Terrorism Programme）主任。

Daniel, thank you very much for joining us on BBC News to talk about this developing story.

丹尼爾，非常感謝您做客BBC新聞，與我們共同探討這一發展中的故事。

From what you've heard, the readout from Russia and the US, what are your thoughts?

從您聽到的俄羅斯和美國的消息來看，您有什麼看法？

There's a lot of very vague words and promises.

So there seems to be an effort to work toward a ceasefire.

是以，各方似乎都在努力實現停火。

There could be some sort of memorandum, but any of the content, any of the principles remains very unclear.

可能會有某種備忘錄，但任何內容、任何原則都還很不明確。

And given how far apart the two parties were before the phone calls, I'm not sure how much closer we are now, despite all the rhetoric.

考慮到通話前兩黨的分歧有多大，我不確定現在我們之間的距離有多近，儘管言辭激烈。

Yeah, one of my Russian-speaking colleagues here in the newsroom sent me a message saying that there is a saying in the Russian language, we negotiate to negotiate.

是的，我在新聞編輯室的一位講俄語的同事給我發了一條資訊，說俄語中有一句話：我們談判是為了談判。

I mean, on hopes for a ceasefire, this seems to be, you know, stretching out with no specific timeframe at the moment, yet we know that President Trump is very impatient.

我的意思是，關於停火的希望，這似乎是，你知道，目前還沒有具體的時間表，但我們知道特朗普總統非常不耐煩。

So where do you think that's going to lead to?

So one of Russia's hopes is that President Trump will get tired of the whole thing and simply say that the United States is not going to be involved anymore.

是以，俄羅斯的希望之一就是特朗普總統對整件事感到厭倦，並乾脆說美國不會再參與其中。

And this would be an end of economic aid, an end of military aid to Ukraine.

這將是對烏克蘭經濟援助和軍事援助的終結。

So I think Putin probably calculates that inaction and delay on his part is going to help Russia's position in the long term, especially if Russia is not the one blamed for any problems.

是以，我認為普京可能在盤算，他的不作為和拖延從長遠來看將有助於俄羅斯的地位，尤其是如果俄羅斯不是任何問題的罪魁禍首的話。

And we're waiting to hear still from President Zelensky.

我們還在等待澤倫斯基總統的消息。

It's the obvious person that we're still waiting to hear from after these these conversations, these discussions, this phone call between President Trump and President Putin.

顯然，在特朗普總統和普京總統的這些談話、討論和通話之後，我們仍在等待對方的消息。

Militarily, Daniel, what position are Ukraine and Russia in right now with regards to prosecuting this war, continuing this war?

在軍事上，丹尼爾，烏克蘭和俄羅斯現在處於什麼位置，是否要繼續這場戰爭？

So Russia has been making progress against Ukraine in the last 10 months, but it's very slow, really incremental progress at best.

是以，在過去 10 個月中，俄羅斯在打擊烏克蘭方面一直在取得進展，但進展非常緩慢，充其量也只能說是漸進式進展。

So although many people describe Russia as having the upper hand, and that's probably true, the actual military advantage it's gained has been quite slight.

是以，儘管很多人認為俄羅斯佔了上風，這可能也是事實，但它獲得的實際軍事優勢卻相當微弱。

So we're not likely to see dramatic changes on the battlefield in the coming months, unless, of course, we see an abandonment of Ukraine by its allies, in which case Ukraine runs out of ammunition and in general may suffer a catastrophic loss.

是以，在未來幾個月內，我們不太可能看到戰場上發生戲劇性的變化，當然，除非烏克蘭的盟友放棄烏克蘭，在這種情況下，烏克蘭將彈盡糧絕，總體上可能遭受災難性的損失。

So are you saying at the moment Russia doesn't see any strategic interest in a ceasefire?

你的意思是，俄羅斯目前對停火沒有任何戰略興趣？

Russia believes that Ukraine's going to crumble if it keeps hitting it, and especially if the United States and Europe abandon it.

俄羅斯認為，如果它繼續打擊烏克蘭，特別是如果美國和歐洲放棄烏克蘭，烏克蘭就會崩潰。

So a ceasefire, especially a long term one, is probably not in Russia's interest, according to how Putin defines it.

是以，按照普京的定義，停火，尤其是長期停火，可能並不符合俄羅斯的利益。

OK, Daniel Byman from the Center for Strategic and International Studies, good to get your assessment of this developing news.

戰略與國際研究中心的丹尼爾-拜曼（Daniel Byman），很高興收到你對這一新消息的評估。