Name: 普丁會從伊朗戰爭中獲利嗎？ | BBC Newscast (Will Putin benefit from the Iran war? | BBC Newscast)
Uploaded: 2026-03-15T16:43:35.000Z
Duration: 31 min 37 s

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It is Saturday afternoon and I'm recording our conversation at about 4:30 in what has been a very, very fast paced news moment as the war in the Middle east passes the fortnight mark.

現在是週六下午，我大約在四點半錄製我們的對話，這段時間新聞事件的發展非常、非常迅速，中東的戰爭已經進入兩週的關卡。

There are three stars of the show this afternoon.

First of all, you with your questions and messages about the ongoing conflict in Iran.

首先是你們，關於伊朗持續衝突的問題和訊息。

Second of all, we're going to talk to the BBC's Frank Gardner who's reporting for us from Riyadh in Saudi Arabia.

其次，我們要和 BBC 的 Frank Gardner 聊聊，他正在沙烏地阿拉伯的利雅德為我們報導。

He'll bring us the very latest on what's been happening in the conflict.

他會帶來關於衝突最新發生的事情。

And the BBC's Steve Rosenberg will join us too from Moscow after Donald Trump controversially relaxed some of the restrictions on Russia selling its oil.

還有 BBC 的 Steve Rosenberg 也會從莫斯科加入我們，因為唐納·川普有爭議地放寬了對俄羅斯出售石油的一些限制。

So plenty to come, but your questions are at the top of our list.

所以有很多內容要講，但你們的問題是我們的首要事項。

We had a message from sue, clever sue in Cardiff back on the 10th of March, and

我們在三月十日收到來自卡迪夫的 Sue 的訊息，她很聰明。

she wrote, putin has congratulated the new supreme Leader.

她寫道，普丁已經祝賀了新的最高領袖。

He's helping Iran with defense information.

他正在協助伊朗提供國防資訊。

Yet Trump may lift oil sanctions on Russia.

不過川普可能會解除對俄羅斯的石油禁運。

And this week Sue's prediction came true.

America did loosen sanctions on other countries buying Russian oil.

美國確實放寬了對其他購買俄羅斯石油國家的禁運。

It might not make you feel good, but you were right.

這可能讓你感覺不好，但你說對了。

So we'll find out today how important that move was from Donald Trump's ever controversial White House.

所以我們今天會知道，川普充滿爭議的白宮這個舉動有多重要。

And we'll hear from Riyadh in Saudi Arabia about the very latest events in in the war.

我們也會從沙烏地阿拉伯的利雅德那裡聽到關於戰爭的最新消息。

And we are now two weeks into a new war in the Middle East.

我們現在已經進入了中東新戰爭的兩週了。

And we know, we promise to you on newscast that we will keep you up to date every day on all the things that are happening in that conflict which has spread right across that region.

而且我們承諾在新聞播報中，每天都會為你帶來這個已經蔓延到整個區域的衝突的最新消息。

And today we're joined by Frank Gardner, our security correspondent, who's in Riyadh in Saudi Arabia, one of the countries that has come under attack.

今天我們請到我們的安全事務記者 Frank Gardner，他人在沙烏地阿拉伯的利雅德，這是遭到攻擊的國家之一。

Now, where you are right now it's Iftar, which is the break of Ramadan.

你現在那裡正值齋戒月開齋的 Iftar 時段。

So before we get into the details of what's happened in the conflict, just what's it, what's it like where you are right now?

所以，在我們深入探討衝突細節之前，你那邊現在是什麼樣子呢？

I'm going to be really honest with you here in Riyadh, you wouldn't know there is a war on.

我必須老實跟你說，在利雅德這裡，你根本感覺不到戰爭正在進行。

I'd love to tell you that I'm ducking into bunkers, but it really isn't true.

我希望我能告訴你我躲在掩體裡，但那真的不是事實。

This is because it's quite a long way from the actual coast of the Gulf, which has been taking a lot of the hits.

這是因為這裡離波斯灣實際的海岸線還有一段距離，而海岸線承受了大部分的攻擊。

So Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Dubai, etc.

所以像是巴林、卡達、科威特、阿聯酋、杜拜等等。

They, they've all taken a Real pummeling in particularly on their economic facilities.

這些地方，特別是他們的經濟設施，都受到了嚴重的打擊。

But Riyadh being the capital here, the Saudis are trying very hard to stay out of this, but

但利雅德作為首都，沙烏地阿拉伯人正努力想置身事外，不過

they're not immune from it, as you rightly say.

他們也無法倖免，就像你說的一樣。

Yesterday, I think they intercepted about 18 incoming projectiles.

昨天，我記得他們攔截了約 18 枚來襲的彈體。

Most of these have been aimed at the east of the country, at the oil producing part of the country.

大部分目標都對準了國家的東部，也就是產油區。

And I spent part of yesterday visiting a British Army Royal Artillery Air Defense unit out in the desert, whose job it is to help protect some of the critical national infrastructure here in Saudi Arabia.

昨天我花了一些時間，拜訪了駐紮在沙漠中的英國皇家砲兵部隊防空單位，他們的工作就是協助保護沙烏地阿拉伯這裡一些關鍵的國家基礎設施。

Things I think people accept could probably get a whole lot worse.

這些事情，我想人們覺得情況可能會變得更糟。

And they are in varying degrees of annoyance.

而且他們都感到不同程度的惱火。

They are furious with Iran, America and Israel.

他們對伊朗、美國和以色列非常憤怒。

But there is no sign of things calming down or de escalating.

但沒有跡象顯示情況會緩和或降級。

And in the last 24 hours, both Iran and the US have been hitting key oil facilities in the Middle East.

在過去 24 小時內，伊朗和美國都襲擊了中東地區的關鍵石油設施。

And there was an intercepted drone strike hitting one of the Middle East's largest oil storage facilities, with, of course, all the consequences that there are from that.

還有一個無人機襲擊，擊中了中東最大的石油儲存設施之一，當然也帶來了所有相關的後果。

所以那是在一個叫做富查伊拉的地方。

So everyone's heard of Dubai, everyone's heard of Abu Dhabi, but

所以大家都聽過杜拜，大家都聽過阿布達比，但是

they are only 2 out of 7 emirates in what makes up the United Army Arab Emirates.

那只是組成阿拉伯聯合大公國的七個邦之一。

The only one that's got a port outside the gulf, in the Gulf of Oman on the Arabian Sea is Fujairah.

唯一一個在波斯灣外、位於阿曼灣阿拉伯海上的港口就是富查伊拉。

And that was hit today by falling debris from an intercepted drone.

而今天，它被攔截無人機掉落的碎片擊中。

And that's a worry because people on that side of the country thought they might well get through this without necessarily being hit.

這讓人擔心，因為該國那一邊的人認為他們或許可以避開這次襲擊。

Even Oman, which argued really vociferously against this war, Oman has been hit even quite far down south.

就連先前極力反對這場戰爭的阿曼，也受到了波及，甚至遠在南部。

And that's extraordinary because Oman has gone to great lengths to not just stay neutral, they've stayed on good terms with Iran.

這很不尋常，因為阿曼一直以來都極力維持中立，並與伊朗保持良好關係。

And they actually, the Foreign Minister flew to Washington, to D.C.

事實上，他們的外交部長在所有這些事情發生前夕，飛往了華盛頓特區。

right on the eve of all of this to try and persuade the Americans not to do it.

So this war has spread from very quickly, from being military targets, US Bases in the region which Iran always said it would threaten to attack if it was attacked, to diplomatic and economic targets and civil targets, civilian targets.

所以這場戰爭很快地就從軍事目標、伊朗一直說如果被攻擊就會威脅攻擊的該地區美軍基地，擴散到外交、經濟和民事目標，平民目標。

I feel like we're all getting to know the map, which maybe was a bit of a mystery to many of us thousands of miles away.

我覺得我們大家都開始認識這個地圖了，對許多在數千英里外的我們來說，這可能曾經有點神祕。

But with all your experience of covering that region, Frank, are You so surprised by the way in which Iran has expanded its attacks beyond, as you say, what they'd always said.

Frank，憑藉你報導該地區的豐富經驗，你對伊朗擴大攻擊範圍，超出了你說的他們一直以來所說的範圍，感到驚訝嗎？

If you hit us, we'll hit American bases in the region.

如果你們攻擊我們，我們就會攻擊該地區的美軍基地。

Are you surprised at how they've retaliated?

你對他們的報復方式感到驚訝嗎？

是的，Laura，我當然感到驚訝。

I mean, this is my third Gulf War, the first one being 1991, Desert Storm, second one being 2003, the US led invasion of Iraq and this one.

我的意思是，這是我的第三次波灣戰爭，第一次是1991年的沙漠風暴，第二次是2003年美國領導的伊拉克入侵，還有這一次。

And I think that there are going to be some really big long term changes, some kind of seismic shifts because for most of these countries there is no substitute to the United States as their big strategic partner and ally and provider of arms.

我認為將會有一些非常重大的長期改變，一些像是地殼變動般的轉變，因為對這些國家中的大多數來說，美國是他們最大的戰略夥伴、盟友和軍備供應國，沒有其他國家可以取代。

But the problem for people in this region is that the United States has a very close relationship with Israel of a strategic partnership.

但是對這個地區的人民來說，問題在於美國和以色列有著非常緊密的戰略夥伴關係。

And they see that many people here see that as a liability.

他們認為，這裡的許多人認為這是一個負擔。

Governments in this part of the world are often closer to Israel in some cases than they are to their own people.

這個地區的政府在某些情況下，與以色列的關係往往比與自己人民的關係更為密切。

So for example, under the Abraham Accords, you've got Bahrain and the uae.

所以舉例來說，根據《亞伯拉罕協議》，巴林和阿拉伯聯合大公國。

They've got full diplomatic and trade relations with Israel.

他們與以色列有著全面的外交和貿易關係。

他們使用了許多以色列的科技。

But most people on the ground don't like Israel there.

但大多數當地民眾並不喜歡以色列。

對於加薩發生的事情感到非常憤怒。

They're not happy with what's happening in the west bank.

他們對約旦河西岸發生的事情感到不滿。

And that is a liability for governments here.

這對這裡的政府來說是個負擔。

So there's no easy way out of this for the governments.

所以政府們沒有簡單的解決辦法。

And they've got, they've come to live with their great big neighbor, the Islamic Republic of Iran, just across the waters.

他們已經習慣了與他們偉大的鄰居，也就是伊朗伊斯蘭共和國，隔水相望。

They don't like the revolutionary nature of the Islamic Republic.

他們不喜歡伊朗伊斯蘭共和國的革命性本質。

They don't like the fact that Iran sponsors these proxy militias around the region, which it's governments here see as being very disruptive.

他們不喜歡伊朗資助該地區的代理民兵，因為這裡的政府認為這極具破壞性。

Things like Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Houthis in Yemen, Hamas in Gaza and a whole host of proxies in Iraq.

像是黎巴嫩的真主黨、葉門的胡塞武裝、加薩的哈瑪斯，以及伊拉克眾多代理勢力。

These are all in the eyes of governments here, troublemaking militias.

在這裡的政府看來，這些都是製造麻煩的民兵。

But nevertheless, they would still rather have an uneasy peace with Iran than what's going on now because it's hurting their economies and it's hurting their tourist industries and it really is potentially hurting absolutely everywhere if the oil price stays as sky high, if this conflict runs on for a long time and the latest American strikes on the other side, which America said it's, and

但儘管如此，他們寧願與伊朗維持一種不安的和平，也不願看到現在的情況，因為這正在損害他們的經濟和旅遊業，如果油價持續高漲、這場衝突持續很久，而且美國最近在另一邊的襲擊，美國說他們，

I'm quoting, totally obliterated targets on Kharg island, which houses Iran's major oil terminal.

我引用，徹底摧毀了哈爾克島上的目標，那裡是伊朗主要的石油碼頭。

I mean, do we know the extent of those attacks, Frank, and

弗蘭克，我們知道這些攻擊的規模有多大嗎？

What they've done, what the Americans have done is to go after the military targets.

他們所做的，美國人所做的，是攻擊軍事目標。

Kharag island is important because it's the export terminal for 90% of Iran's oil.

哈爾克島之所以重要，是因為它是伊朗 90% 石油的出口碼頭。

That's the lifeblood of the Iranian economy.

Why does it have to come out through an island?

為什麼一定要透過一個島嶼輸出？

Because the Gulf is quite shallow and big tankers, ocean going tankers, one's called vlcc, that's very large crude carriers, they can't get close enough into the coast to take on board hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil.

因為波斯灣相當淺，大型油輪，遠洋油輪，有一種叫做 VLCC，也就是超大型原油運輸船，牠們無法靠近海岸裝載數十萬桶石油。

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