Name: 友誼輸油管爭議暴露歐盟分裂 | DW 新聞 (Druzhba pipeline row exposes EU division | DW News)
Uploaded: 2026-03-07T23:09:17.000Z
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The European Commission has issued a rebuke to Ukraine's President, Volodymyr Zelensky, for the direct and personal threats he's made towards Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban.

歐洲委員會對烏克蘭總統澤倫斯基發出譴責，因為他對匈牙利總理奧班發出了直接且個人的威脅。

The Commission said the Ukrainian president's threat to use physical force against the leader of the EU member state was not acceptable.

委員會表示，烏克蘭總統威脅要對歐盟成員國領導人使用武力是不可接受的。

Viktor Orban is blocking a 90 billion euro loan to Ukraine, which of course is fighting off Russian invasion.

奧班正在阻擋一筆高達九百億歐元的烏克蘭貸款，而烏克蘭當然正在對抗俄羅斯入侵。

Here's the Ukrainian president in his own words.

We hope that one person in the European Union will not block the 90 billion euro and that Ukrainian fighters will receive weapons.

我們希望歐洲聯盟裡不會有人阻擋這九百億歐元，這樣烏克蘭的戰士們就能收到武器。

Otherwise, we will give this person's address to our guys so they can call him and speak to him in their language.

否則，我們會把這個人的地址給我們的弟兄們，讓他們可以用他們的語言打電話給他，跟他好好聊聊。

Okay, well, the rebuke from the European Commission comes at a moment of high tension between Hungary and Ukraine.

好的，歐洲委員會的譴責來得正是匈牙利和烏克蘭之間緊張關係升溫之際。

The previous week, Hungarian authorities arrested seven Ukrainian nationals who were carrying roughly $82 million in cash and gold.

上週，匈牙利當局逮捕了七名烏克蘭國民，他們當時攜帶了約八千二百萬美元的現金和黃金。

Ukrainians are suspected of money laundering and Kyiv has accused the Hungarian government of taking them hostage.

烏克蘭人被懷疑涉及洗錢，而基輔則指控匈牙利政府將他們當作人質。

According to officials, the detained individuals were employees of Ukraine's state owned Oshad Bank.

官員表示，被拘留者是烏克蘭國營 Oshad Bank 的員工。

They were traveling from Austria to Ukraine in two armored vehicles.

他們當時乘坐兩輛裝甲車，正從奧地利前往烏克蘭。

Ukrainian authorities say the cash transport was part of routine operations between state banks.

烏克蘭當局表示，這筆現金運輸是國家銀行之間例行操作的一部分。

Oshad bank confirmed that Hungarian Authorities have seized $40 million, 35 million euros and 9 kg of gold.

Oshad Bank 證實，匈牙利當局已經扣押了 4000 萬美元、3500 萬歐元以及 9 公斤黃金。

Kyiv and Budapest are currently locked in a bitter dispute over Hungary's access to Russian oil via a pipeline that runs through Ukrainian territory.

基輔和布達佩斯目前正就匈牙利透過一條貫穿烏克蘭領土的管道獲取俄羅斯石油的問題，陷入激烈爭執。

Oil deliveries through the Druzhba pipeline have been halted since late in January.

自一月底以來，經過 Druzhba 管道的石油運輸就已經停止了。

Ukraine says the stoppage is the result of a Russian drone strike that damaged the pipeline's infrastructure.

烏克蘭表示，停運是俄羅斯無人機襲擊損壞了管道基礎設施的結果。

Kyiv argues that repairing the damage would put Ukrainian technicians at risk, and

基輔認為，修復損壞會讓烏克蘭技術人員面臨風險，而且

even if it was fixed, the route would still be exposed to future attacks.

即使修好了，這條路線仍然會面臨未來攻擊的風險。

They accuse Kyiv of deliberately obstructing the flow of Russian crude oil and they're threatening retaliatory action against Ukraine until the oil starts flowing again.

他們指控基輔故意阻礙俄羅斯原油的流動，並威脅要對烏克蘭採取報復行動，直到石油恢復供應為止。

Well, our Brussels correspondent, Ferenc Gal, was at the briefing when the Commission rebuked the Ukrainian President.

好的，我們駐布魯塞爾的記者 Ferenc Gal 當時也在場聽了歐洲委員會訓斥烏克蘭總統。

所以，請跟我們多說一點，是誰說了什麼？

Yes, the Commission's spokesperson made it very clear that they are not happy about President Zelensky's comments.

是的，歐洲委員會的發言人非常清楚地表示，他們對澤倫斯基總統的評論感到不滿。

他們認為這些評論是不可接受的。

They said any threat to any EU member state was something that they would not condone.

他們說，任何對歐盟成員國的威脅，他們都不會姑息。

So this was a very clear point in direct response to the President's statements.

所以，這是一個非常明確的回應，直接針對總統的言論。

Now, they also called on both sides, meaning Hungary and Ukraine, to dial down the hostile rhetoric, which they said is not conducive at all to finding a solution, which the EU commission says is still their goal.

現在，他們也呼籲雙方，也就是匈牙利和烏克蘭，要降低敵對的言論，他們說這對找到解決方案一點幫助都沒有，而歐洲委員會表示這仍然是他們的目的。

They said that, you know, the tensions that have really been escalating on a verbal level, especially between these two countries, are really a problem.

他們說，你知道，尤其是在這兩個國家之間，口頭上的緊張局勢不斷升級，這確實是個問題。

And, you know, they are expecting both countries to act in a way that makes it possible to find a solution in this conflict around the pipeline.

而且，你知道，他們期望兩個國家都能採取行動，讓在這個管道問題上的衝突能夠找到解決方案。

Isn't the EU supposed to be reducing its dependence on Russian oil because of Russia's invasion of Ukraine?

因為俄羅斯入侵烏克蘭，歐盟不是應該要減少對俄羅斯石油的依賴嗎？

So what has been the Hungarian position on that?

所以，匈牙利的立場是什麼呢？

So the Hungarian position has been that they claim they are for economic reasons, for infrastructure reasons.

匈牙利的立場是，他們聲稱是基於經濟和基礎建設的原因。

俄羅斯石油是他們唯一的選擇。

Now, there is a lot of counter arguments, and

現在，有很多反對的論點，而且

most countries have actually managed to get off Russian oil, even though if they were historically dependent on it.

大多數國家其實已經設法擺脫了俄羅斯石油，即使他們過去曾依賴它。

But Hungary has not really made efforts in that direction even after the war started.

但匈牙利並沒有真正朝這個方向努力，即使戰爭已經開始了。

The EU's position is very difficult because on the one hand, it is sanctioning Russia, it is taking steps to get off of Russian oil, Russian fossil fuels.

歐盟的立場很困難，因為一方面，他們正在制裁俄羅斯，他們正在採取措施擺脫俄羅斯石油和化石燃料。

But it then also has to kind of, you know, represent Hungarian interests in a way as a member state in calling on Ukraine to repair the pipeline and get the Russian oil flowing again to.

但另一方面，他們也必須在某種程度上代表匈牙利的利益，作為一個成員國，呼籲烏克蘭修復油管，讓俄羅斯石油再次流動。

To an EU member state, which of course, is a slightly ambivalent and difficult position.

對於一個歐盟成員國來說，這當然是一個有點矛盾又困難的處境。

Okay, so what options does Brussels have then if Hungary continues to block aid to Ukraine?

好的，那如果匈牙利持續阻擋對烏克蘭的援助，布魯塞爾還有什麼選擇呢？

It's difficult because on the level of exerting pressure on Hungary, the EU really has used most of the levers it has because most of the EU funds that Hungary would get are already frozen over.

這很難，因為在對匈牙利施壓這方面，歐盟其實已經用盡了大部分的手段，因為匈牙利原本會收到的歐盟資金大多都已經被凍結了。

Rule of law issues, mainly corruption, suspicions, these kind of things.

主要是法治問題、貪腐疑慮等等。

So in this case around the pipeline, it is very likely that the EU would have to kind of give Hungary something that they want in exchange than for Hungary lifting the veto.

所以在油管這件事上，歐盟很可能必須給匈牙利一些他們想要的東西，作為交換，讓匈牙利解除否決。

One possibility could be, of course, that Ukraine gets the pipeline operational again and then Hungary lifts the veto.

一種可能性是，當然，烏克蘭讓油管重新運作，然後匈牙利就解除否決。

Another option would be that the EU maybe approves a multibillion dollar defense loan for Hungary that they're still waiting for, and

另一個選項可能是，歐盟也許會準許一筆數十億美元的國防貸款給匈牙利，這是他們還在等待的，

then that could maybe shift Budapest stance in this whole dispute.

然後這或許能改變布達佩斯在這個爭議中的立場。

But as of now, it's not really clear what path the commission could choose, but

但到目前為止，委員會可能會選擇哪條路，其實還不太清楚，

And a word then about all this Ukrainian cash and gold that is now in Hungarian hands.

另外，關於現在由匈牙利保管的烏克蘭現金和黃金，情況又是如何？

Yes, so it's easy to understand why that might raise eyebrows.

是的，這很容易讓人理解為何這會引起關注。

You know, a truck full of cash and gold crossing an EU country to get to Ukraine.

你知道，一輛載滿現金和黃金的卡車，穿越一個歐盟國家要運往烏克蘭。

But it's actually not all that unusual if you think about the fact that A lot of people in Ukraine, for example, like to have their money in harder currencies like euro and dollar, because they are simply more stable and retain their value.

但其實如果想想，烏克蘭很多人習慣將錢存放在歐元和美元等較硬的貨幣，因為它們更穩定且保值，這其實沒那麼不尋常。

So this bank, which Ukraine claims has just been conducting a regular transport from Vienna to Ukraine.

所以這家銀行，烏克蘭聲稱它只是從維也納例行運輸到烏克蘭。

This bank is in need of cash in euro and in dollar so that people can have their money in these currencies.

這家銀行需要歐元和美元現金，這樣人們才能擁有這些貨幣的錢。

So it's not actually necessarily a sign of illicit activities or money laundering.

所以這其實不一定是違法活動或洗錢的跡象。

Now, the Hungarian side, of course, claims that they have suspicion of money laundering.

現在，匈牙利方面當然聲稱他們懷疑有洗錢行為。

這就是他們為什麼要拘留這些人。

而目前，他們已經扣押了這些錢。

But it is unclear what they will do with the money in the future.

但未來這些錢會怎麼處理，還不清楚。

好的，很高興跟你哈拉，Ferenc。

Okay, you've never heard of it, but Dr. Benjamin L.

好的，你沒聽過，但 Dr. Benjamin L.

Schmidt definitely has served as European Energy Security advisers to the U.S. state Department.

Schmidt 確實曾擔任美國國務院的歐洲能源安全顧問。

He's currently a Senior Fellow with the Democratic Resilience Program at the center for European Policy Analysis.

他目前是歐洲政策分析中心民主韌性計畫的高級研究員。

And when he's not doing that, he's also a Senior Fellow at the University of Pennsylvania.

而且他同時也是賓州大學的高級研究員。

People will be so always glad to be here.

So, look, I'm not here to talk about the gold, as you said.

所以，你看，就像你說的，我不是來談黃金的。

But the Daruzhba pipeline was hit by a Russian strike inside of Ukraine and has resulted in an outage of Russian oil transiting Ukraine to Hungary.

但德魯日巴輸油管在烏克蘭境內遭到俄羅斯襲擊，導致俄羅斯石油過境烏克蘭輸往匈牙利的運輸中斷。

And the Ukrainians are, by all accounts, trying to fix this.

而且烏克蘭方面，據說正在努力修復。

This is energy infrastructure that has once again been targeted by a kinetic overt strike by the Russian Federation.

這是能源基礎設施，又一次遭到俄羅斯聯邦的實際攻擊。

And by the way, these are the sort of concerns that we've had for many, many years, not only about European dependence on Russian energy resources, things like oil and gas, but

順帶一提，這也是我們多年來一直擔心的，不只是歐洲對俄羅斯能源資源的依賴，像是石油和天然氣，還有

They have the ability to weaponize both things.

And in this case, they actually struck their own, ostensibly their own pipeline, the Russians, and

而且這次，他們實際上攻擊了他們自己，名義上是他們的油管，俄羅斯人，而且

created this rift between Budapest and Kyiv just at a time that Orban is trying to solidify power and go towards this next election.

在奧班正試圖鞏固權力並走向下次選舉之際，製造了布達佩斯和基輔之間的裂痕。

Okay, so people are going to be surprised that Ukraine is still allowing Russia to pump oil through its territory while Russia is bombing it.

好的，所以大家可能會驚訝，在俄羅斯轟炸烏克蘭的同時，烏克蘭竟然還允許俄羅斯通過其領土輸送石油。

嗯，你看，我的意思是，這是。

This is part of an artifact of what the countries in Central and Eastern Europe, a few of them, in this case Hungary, have been pushing for the entire time right there.

這就是中東歐一些國家，這次是匈牙利，一直以來都在推動的結果。

As the rest of the continent has phased out Russian oil and has phased out Russian gas, countries like Hungary and Slovakia have pushed back and in fact have used other EU support to Ukraine, whether it be this loan that's currently in question or sanctions packages on the Russian Federation to abstain from supporting Ukraine and instead trying to use that as blackmail to continue Russian oil and in some cases, gas flowing to those countries.

當歐洲大陸其他國家逐步淘汰俄羅斯石油和天然氣時，像匈牙利和斯洛伐克這樣的國家卻在抵制，並且實際上利用了歐盟對烏克蘭的其他支持，無論是目前有爭議的這筆貸款，還是對俄羅斯聯邦的制裁方案，來迴避支持烏克蘭，反而試圖以此作為籌碼，繼續讓俄羅斯石油，甚至在某些情況下，天然氣流向這些國家。

And so, yeah, there is still Russian oil flowing across that.

所以，是的，俄羅斯的石油仍然通過那裡流動。

This shouldn't even be in question, Phil, because the Hungarians should have been going along with the EU and outlawing these large imports of Russian crude oil long time, a long time ago.

這根本不應該是個問題，Phil，因為匈牙利早就應該跟隨歐盟的腳步，禁止大量進口俄羅斯原油了。

Again, as we've entered the fourth year of this conflict.

再說一次，我們已經進入了這場衝突的第四年。

And so does Ukraine realistically have any chance of shutting this, this, the flow of oil through this pipeline?

那麼，烏克蘭真的有可能關閉這條、這條、這條輸油管道的石油流動嗎？

Well, I mean, in this case, this was a strike by the Russians on this pipeline.

嗯，我的意思是，這次是俄羅斯對這條管道發動的襲擊。

And the Ukrainians, probably against their judgment, are trying to restore that flow because they realize that they want to be seen as a reliable energy partner and making sure that infrastructure that is supporting going across Ukraine and supporting Europe is well and truly functional.

而烏克蘭，可能違背了自己的判斷，正試圖恢復石油流動，因為他們意識到自己想被視為可靠的能源夥伴，並確保支持流經烏克蘭並供應歐洲的基礎設施真正發揮作用。