Name: 魯比歐軟化對歐洲語氣，歐盟與英國如何回應？ (EU and UK reactions to Rubio's softer tone on Europe)
Uploaded: 2026-02-15T17:09:49.000Z
Duration: 8 min 54 s

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We shouldn't get in the warm bath of complacency and think that therefore all we're really doing is reasserting the continuation of what we've had for the last 80 years.

我們不應該沉溺在 मनन 的溫水裡，認為我們所做的只是在延續過去八十年的成果。

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That would be a mistake and it would be a particular mistake for Europe because my strong view is that Europe hasn't done enough in its own defence and security for many years.

這會是個錯誤，對歐洲來說尤其如此，因為我強烈認為歐洲多年來在自身的防禦和安全上做得還不夠。

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Under President Trump, the United States of America will once again take on the task of renewal and restoration, driven by a vision of a future as proud, as sovereign and as vital as our civilization's past.

在川普總統的領導下，美利堅合眾國將再次肩負起復興與恢復的任務，以一個像我們文明過去一樣自豪、主權獨立且充滿活力的未來願景為驅動。

And while we are prepared, if necessary, to do this alone, it is our preference and it is our hope to do this together with you, our friends here in Europe.

雖然我們已經準備好，必要時可以單獨行動，但我們更希望，也更期待能和各位，我們在歐洲的朋友們，一起來完成這件事。

And just to be clear, the special report put out before this conference began labels Trump, quote, the Demolition man and its authors warned that the.

為了讓大家清楚，在這次會議開始前發布的一份特別報導，將川普標籤為「拆毀者」，而報導的作者們警告說。

That we're entering an era of, quote, wrecking ball politics with the U.

我們正進入一個由美國領導的、後1945年國際秩序，現在正遭受破壞的「破壞球政治」時代。

S led post 1945 international order now under destruction.

是以，我詢問了歐洲委員會主席烏蘇拉·馮德萊恩和英國首相基爾·斯塔默，他們對於歐洲未來的防禦和生存的底線和路線圖。

And so I asked the European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and the British Prime Minister Keir Starmer for their red lines and roadmap for the future defense and survival of Europe.

國務卿的演講讓我非常安心，我們都知道他，他是一位好朋友，一位強大的盟友，

I was very much reassured by the speech of the Secretary of State which we know him, he's a good friend, a strong ally indeed, and

this was for me, very reassuring to listen to him.

聽他講這些，讓我覺得很安心。

We know that in the administration some have a harsher tone on these topics, but

我們知道，政府裡有些人對這些議題的態度比較強硬，但是

He said, we want a strong Europe in the alliance and this is what we are working for intensively in the European Union.

他說，我們希望歐洲在聯盟中扮演強大的角色，這也是我們在歐洲聯盟裡正積極努力的目標。

We have to be an independent Europe, not a Europe that is leaning on someone, but

我們必須成為一個獨立自主的歐洲，而不是一個依賴別人的歐洲，而是

a Europe that is going forward with friends and allies together facing the challenges that are out there.

一個能和朋友、盟友一起，共同面對外在挑戰、持續前進的歐洲。

I thought the Secretary of State speech was consistent with the argument that Ursula made in her remarks a moment ago and the argument I'm making.

我認為國務卿的演講，和他剛才發表的談話，以及我提出的論點，都是一致的。

I think it's really clear though that we, we shouldn't get in the warm bath of complacency and think that therefore all we're really doing is reasserting the continuation of what we've had for the last 80 years.

不過，我覺得非常清楚的是，我們不應該沉溺在 मनन 的溫水裡，認為我們所做的，只是在重申過去80年來的延續。

That would be a mistake and it would be a particular mistake for Europe because my strong view is that Europe hasn't done enough in its own defence and security for many years because we will only be able to preserve NATO in the way it is needed for the next 80 years in if we change and strengthen the European dimension.

那將會是個錯誤，對歐洲來說尤其如此，因為我強烈認為，歐洲多年來在自身的防禦和安全上做得不夠，因為只有當我們改變並強化歐洲的面向，我們才能在未來80年裡，以所需的方式維持北約。

That is something which a number of American Presidents have said for some time, I believe to be true.

這也是許多美國總統長期以來一直強調的，我相信這是真的。

And I think we've got to seize this movement to move forward, not to pull apart the transatlantic relationship, but

而且我認為我們必須把握這個機會向前邁進，而不是分崩離析跨大西洋關係，

to make sure it works in the circumstance and the times that we face.

而是要確保它能在我們所面臨的環境和時代中發揮作用。

The current Secretary General of NATO, after Trump's Davos speech, actually

現任的北約祕書長，在川普的達沃斯演講之後，實際上

after Prime Minister Carney's speech, which talked about a, you know, a rupture, he said, if you all are thinking that you can do what you have to do without the United States, then dream on, it's not going to happen.

在卡尼總理的演講之後，他提到，你知道，一種分裂，他說，如果你們都認為你們可以在沒有美國的情況下做你們該做的事，那就做夢吧，這是不會發生的。

So how long do you think it'll take to get to this posture that you both say you need to get to?

那麼，你們認為要達到你們兩人都說需要達到的這個態勢，還需要多久？

Well, the first thing I'd say is that we're not looking at a future that tears us apart from the Euro Atlantic alliance that we have now.

嗯，我首先要說的是，我們並沒有看到一個會讓我們與現有的歐洲-大西洋聯盟分道揚鑣的未來。

NATO has been the single most effective and successful military alliance the world has ever known, and

北約是世界上最有效、最成功的軍事聯盟，

But I think simply sitting where we are isn't good enough.

但我認為，僅僅停留在原地是不夠的。

And therefore the change does need to come that needs Europe to be stronger, to be working more closely together.

是以，改變確實需要發生，這需要歐洲變得更強大，需要歐洲更緊密地合作。

That's why I said what I said about the UK EU relationship with 10 years on from Brexit.

這就是為什麼我說了關於英國脫歐十年後與歐盟關係的那些話。

We are not the Britain of the Brexit years.

我們不再是脫歐時期的英國了。

We're a Britain that wants to work with the EU even more closely in light of the challenge that we face here 10 years on.

我們是希望在面對十年後的挑戰時，能與歐盟更緊密合作的英國。

I want to get to the bottom of this, that some red lines have been crossed and they cannot be uncrossed.

我想弄清楚，有些紅線已經被跨越了，而且無法收回。

You were talking about the United States in your speech.

Because there is a massive deficit of trust between many people in the alliance and certainly leaders who are now having to do what you're doing, workarounds, de risking decoupling, whatever you might want to call it, independence.

因為聯盟中的許多人，以及現在不得不做你正在做的事情的領導者，像是尋找替代方案、降低風險、脫鉤，無論你怎麼稱呼它，獨立性，都存在著巨大的信任赤字。

What red lines have been crossed that cannot be uncrossed.

哪些紅線已經被跨越了，而且無法收回。

So, for example, I want to be very clear, our digital sovereignty is our digital sovereignty very clear on that one.

所以，舉個例子，我想說得很清楚，我們的數位主權就是我們的數位主權，這一點很明確。

And we have a long tradition in freedom of speech.

而且我們有長久的言論自由傳統。

Actually, the enlightenment started on our continent.

事實上，啟蒙運動就始於我們的洲。

And we are very clear with digital sovereignty also that what is forbidden offline is forbidden online.

而且我們對數位主權的立場非常明確，線上禁止的內容和線下禁止的一樣。

And we will not flinch what that is concerned.

We will be very steadfast to pursue this very clear demand for us about Ukraine, because again, Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, barely mentioned it, except for an elusive piece.

我們將堅定不移地追求對烏克蘭這個非常明確的要求，因為再次強調，馬可盧比歐，國務卿，幾乎沒有提到，除了含糊其辭的一點。

President Trump has said in his latest comments that Ukraine President Zelensky needs to get onto it because Russia wants a Deal.

川普總統在他最新的評論中說，烏克蘭總統澤倫斯基需要接受，因為俄羅斯想要達成協議。

And President Zelensky needs to get onto it right now, otherwise he's going to miss a great opportunity.

澤倫斯基總統現在就需要接受，否則他將錯過一個絕佳的機會。

Secretary Rubio did not go to your meeting, your leaders meeting with President Zelensky last night.

魯比歐國務卿昨晚沒有去參加你和澤倫斯基總統的領袖會議。

你認為這一切現在是什麼情況？

Is it Zelensky who needs to be prosecuted, pressured?

是澤倫斯基需要被起訴、被施壓嗎？

So I think it's extremely important that we do not buy in the Russian narrative.

所以我認為我們絕對不能接受俄羅斯的說法，這一點非常重要。

I mean, if we look at the strategic goals and the military goals of Putin, it's a huge failure.

我的意思是，如果我們看看普丁的戰略目標和軍事目標，那是一個巨大的失敗。

NATO has gotten bigger with Sweden and Finland.

北約因為瑞典和芬蘭的加入而擴大了。

He wanted to occupy Ukraine within days or weeks.

他想在幾天或幾週內佔領烏克蘭。

Well, now we are, unfortunately in the fourth year of the war, and

嗯，現在我們不幸地已經進入戰爭的第四年了，而且

I think it is so important that we on our side tell the truth.

我認為我們這邊說出真相非常重要。

What is going on in Russia with a war economy, with skyrocketing interest rates and inflation, completely isolated, and

俄羅斯國內的戰爭經濟、飛漲的利率和通膨，以及完全孤立的狀況，正在發生什麼事，而且

And in this war of attrition, it is of utmost importance that we push forward the negotiations and put pressure on Putin that he finally comes to the negotiation table.

在這場消耗戰中，我們必須推動談判，並對普丁施壓，讓他最終坐上談判桌，這一點至關重要。

So I need to ask you a political question, because a lot of people at home are interested.

所以我要問你一個政治問題，因為很多人在家裡都很關心。

You've just spoken about the amount of money that needs to be spent on the Ukraine defence, on Britain, on Europe.

你剛才談到了需要花在烏克蘭防禦、英國、歐洲的錢的數額。

I wanted to ask you, do you think you narrowly just miss being toppled?

我想問你，你認為你差一點就被推翻了嗎？

Do you think that what's happening in the politics at home is distracting you and perhaps making you vulnerable to a Brexit follow, you know, the Reform Party or even maybe the Conservatives, who might not want to pursue the kind of politics that you want to pursue.

你覺得國內的政治發展是否讓你分心，甚至可能讓你容易受到英國脫歐後續事件的影響，像是改革黨，甚至保守黨，他們可能不想推行你想要推行的政治路線？

I ended the week much stronger than I started it, and that's a very good place to be.

我結束這週時，感覺比開始時強多了，這是一個很好的狀態。

And my party and my government is completely united on the question of Ukraine and defence and security and the need for stronger relations with Europe, on defence, on security and on economy as well.

我的政黨和我的政府在烏克蘭、國防、安全以及與歐洲建立更強關係的議題上完全團結一致，無論是在國防、安全還是經濟方面。

And so I think that there is real strength in the position I've now set out.

所以我認為我現在提出的立場確實很有力量。

The whole of the government is united behind that.

I think actually it unites across the House of Commons.

我認為其實這能讓下議院團結一致。

Imagine if they were in government in the United Kingdom.

想像一下如果他們在英國執政。

The coalition of the willing could not exist with UK participation in it.

有英國參與的「意願聯盟」就不可能存在。

We would not be seen as a leader on the European or international stage, we would be seen as a country that people couldn't do business with.

我們不會被視為歐洲或國際舞臺上的領導者，反而會被看成一個大家都不想做生意的國家。

So it is not universal across our parliament, but

所以這並不是我們國會裡普遍的看法，但

there's a very strong feeling that amongst right minded politicians that we stick together on Ukraine.

許多有正確想法的政治人物都強烈感覺到，我們在烏克蘭議題上要團結一致。

So for all of the divisions that you never to get in politics, there are some real clarity and some real certainty on these key issues.

所以，儘管政治上總是有各種分歧，但在這些關鍵議題上，我們確實有明確的共識和堅定的立場。

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