Name: 英國財政大臣反擊川普商務部長！全球安全議題大戰！ (Lutnick vs Reeves: UK Finance Minister Hits Back At Trump's Commerce Secretary Over Global Security)
Uploaded: 2026-01-21T02:32:51.000Z
Duration: 8 min 46 s

Globalization has failed the west and the United States of America.

全球化讓西方和美國都失敗了。

It is what the WEF has stood for, which is export offshore, far shore.

這就是 WEF 一直以來主張的，也就是出口到 offshore，到 far shore。

Find the cheapest labor in the world and the world is a better place for it.

找到世界上最便宜的勞動力，這樣世界就會變得更美好。

And what we are here to say is that America first is a different model, one that we encourage other countries to consider, which is that our workers come first.

我們今天要說的是，美國優先是另一種模式，我們鼓勵其他國家也考慮這種模式，那就是我們的勞工優先。

We can have policies that impact our workers.

我們可以制定影響我們勞工的政策。

You shouldn't offshore your semiconductors.

You shouldn't offshore your entire industrial base and have it be hollowed out beneath you.

你不應該將你整個工業基礎外包，讓它在你底下被掏空。

You should not be dependent for that which is fundamental to your sovereignty on any other nation.

你不能依賴任何其他國家來獲取對你主權至關重要的東西。

And if you're going to be dependent on someone, it darn well better be your best allies.

如果你要依賴某人，那最好是你最好的盟友。

And so that is a different way of thinking.

I viewed the WEF as not a flagpole in the middle, but

in fact they are the flag whichever way the wind blew.

事實上，他們就像風向標，隨風而動。

為什麼你們要發展太陽能和風力？

Why would Europe agree to be net zero in 2030 when they don't make a battery?

歐洲為什麼要在 2030 年同意達到淨零排放，但他們卻沒有生產電池？

So if they go 2030, they are deciding to be subservient to China, who makes the batteries.

所以如果他們要在 2030 年達成目標，他們就是在決定屈從於生產電池的中國。

Why would the United States of America, which has oil and natural gas, try to convert to all electricity?

美國，一個擁有石油和天然氣的國家，為什麼要試圖全部轉換成電力？

Electricity and electric cars make perfect sense to them.

電力和電動汽車對他們來說非常合理。

I want people to think about, is that America first is the job of our government to take care of our workers, to make sure their lives are better for it, and

我希望大家思考的，是「美國優先」是我們政府的責任，要照顧我們的勞工，確保他們的生活是以變得更好，而且

And I would suggest that policy is something for other countries to deeply consider, to take care of their own.

我會建議其他國家應該好好考慮這樣的政策，照顧好他們自己。

And then we will work out wonderful relationships between us.

然後我們就能建立美好的關係。

I am very struck by and taken by the idea of putting your own country first and considering your own security and resilience.

我對把自己的國家放在第一位，並考慮自身安全和韌性的想法，感到非常深刻和感動。

I think it's about three years ago now that I gave a speech where I coined the term securinomics, which is all about building security and resilience in your economy.

我記得大概是三年前，我發表演講時創造了「securinomics」這個詞，它的核心概念是建立經濟的安全和韌性。

And the days when it didn't matter where things were made and who made them were in the past.

東西在哪裡製造、由誰製造已經不再重要，那樣的日子已經過去了。

And that's become increasingly Clear since the pandemic, when we were over reliant on PPE and medicines from abroad, and

這點在疫情期間變得越來越清楚，當時我們過度依賴國外的個人防護裝備和藥品，

then again when Russia invaded Ukraine because of what happened to oil and gas prices.

然後又因為俄羅斯入侵烏克蘭導致石油和天然氣價格波動。

I guess for an economy like the uk, the way in which we will pursue our national interest is going to be different from the way in which the US pursues theirs.

我想對於像英國這樣的經濟體，追求國家利益的方式會跟美國不一樣。

You are a much bigger economy and we can't do everything on our own, so.

你們的經濟規模大得多，我們不可能什麼都自己來。

And nor should we try to, because we'd end up doing nothing well.

而且我們也不應該這樣做，因為最後什麼都做不好。

But we do have real strengths in the UK in our defence sector, in life sciences, in business and financial services.

但英國在國防、生命科學、商業和金融服務領域確實有真正的優勢。

And even a country as big and as strong as America also relies on its allies.

即使是像美國這樣又大又強的國家，也依賴它的盟友。

And I guess the sort of area where I think that we do need to sort of continue that dialogue between countries that share each other's values is how we can work together in our mutual interests to advance our values in a very unstable and uncertain world.

而且我認為，我們需要持續深化那些共享價值觀的國家之間的對話，探討如何在一個極度不穩定且充滿不確定性的世界裡，為了我們共同的利益而合作，並推進我們的價值觀。

And, you know, if you say, could you picture the world without the us and what would the world be like?

而且，你知道，如果你問，能不能想像一個沒有美國的世界，那世界會是什麼樣子？

But you've also got a lot of allies around the world, in the United States, Britain.

但你們在全世界也有很多盟友，像是美國、英國。

我知道，我希望，我相信，是你們。

Feeling is mutual, but we do need to think about what.

感覺也是如此，但我們確實需要想想。

Where the threats are and who our friends are.

威脅在哪裡，誰是我們的朋友。

And I think that's probably more stark for smaller economies, but

我想這對小型經濟體來說可能更明顯，但

I was in the States, as you know, last week for a meeting of G7, plus a few other finance ministers, to talk around critical minerals.

你知道的，我上週在美國參加了 G7 會議，還有一些其他財政部長，討論關鍵礦產。

Now, you do have some reserves of critical minerals, but not everything you need.

現在，你們確實有一些關鍵礦產儲備，但並非所有你們需要的都有。

90% of your critical minerals at the moment come from the us, from China.

目前你們 90% 的關鍵礦產來自美國，來自中國。

But you won't be able to do that without the help of Canada and Australia and other countries.

但是沒有加拿大、澳洲和其他國家的幫忙，你們是做不到的。

And so, for all of your strengths, we do also need to think how we can preserve some of the things that the US has benefited from in the NATO alliance and the Western alliance, not because it is the benevolent or the right thing to do, but

所以，儘管你們有很多優勢，我們也需要思考如何保留美國在北約和西方聯盟中受益的一些事物，不是因為這是仁慈或正確的事，

because I profoundly believe it is in your country's national interest.

而是因為我深信這符合你們國家的國家利益。

The other thing I just wanted to say, Adam, in terms of sort of building security and resilience, but

亞當，關於建立安全和韌性，我還想補充一點，

for my country, it's about our industrial strategy, where we're really focusing on these sectors, where we are really good, but

但對我的國家來說，這關乎我們的產業策略，我們正專注於這些我們非常擅長的領域，

we're not going to be a semiconductor superpower in the uk.

我們不會成為英國的半導體超級大國。

So we've got life sciences, biotech, financial services, which is obviously absolutely crucial for financing things like the exploration of critical minerals and the extraction of those critical minerals.

所以我們有生命科學、生物科技、金融服務，這顯然對像關鍵礦產的勘探和開採等事情的融資至關重要。

We've got real strength with the London Metal Exchange in London, for example, but

例如，我們在倫敦金屬交易所擁有真正的實力，

we, we have some reserves of lithium and tungsten.

We're not going to be a big global support supplier of critical minerals.

我們不會成為關鍵礦產的全球主要供應國。

And our trade strategy is also around our security and resilience, where we are, we are trying, and

我們的貿易策略也圍繞著我們的安全和韌性，我們正在努力，

I absolutely acknowledge that we are trying to reduce barriers to trade.

我完全承認我們正試圖降低貿易壁壘。

You know, we've done trade deals this day with you, with India, with Korea, and

你知道，我們今天已經和你們、印度、韓國簽訂了貿易協定，

we're also reducing trade barriers to the eu.

我們也在降低與歐盟的貿易壁壘。

There's more that we want to do together between the UK and Canada.

英國和加拿大之間還有更多我們可以一起做的事情。

We regard it in our national interest to reduce cost of living for people in Britain, but

我們認為降低英國人民的生活成本符合我們的國家利益，但是

also providing more opportunities for businesses in the UK to then export around the world.

同時也為英國企業提供更多機會，將產品出口到世界各地。

And, you know, energy security is important to us as well.

你知道，能源安全對我們來說也很重要。

We do have some reserves of North Sea oil and gas and they will be important for many decades to come.

我們確實有一些北海石油和天然氣儲備，這些在未來幾十年都會很重要。

But we are a net importer of, of oil and gas.

但我們是石油和天然氣的淨進口國。

We do have, because of the shallow waters in our seas, a big opportunity is around wind technology.

由於我們海域的水域較淺，我們在風力技術方面有很大的機會。

We don't have what you have in the us and so we've got to find our own way to boost our energy security.

我們不像美國那樣，所以我們必須找到自己的方法來提升能源安全。

And we strongly believe that renewables is a really important part of that mix, as is nuclear.

我們強烈認為再生能源是其中一個非常重要的部分，核能也是。

There hasn't been sufficient investment in nuclear for a long time.

核能的投資長期以來一直不足。

We've signed off a size will see a big nuclear reactor as well as small modular reactor in North Wales.

我們已經準許了在北威爾斯建造一座大型核反應爐以及小型模組化反應爐。

So, you know that security for us is around energy security, our security through our industrial strategy and our trade strategy as well.

所以，你知道，對我們來說，安全就是圍繞著能源安全，透過我們的產業策略和貿易策略來確保我們的安全。