Name: 伊朗動盪不安！人權組織：抗議者死亡人數飆升至 1,850 人！ (Iran unrest: Protester death toll jumps to 1,850, according to US-based rights group)
Uploaded: 2026-01-13T17:35:15.000Z
Duration: 9 min 14 s

Now in the face of this harsh government crackdown, a U.

在這嚴厲的政府鎮壓下，一個總部設在美國的

S based rights group now says security forces have killed more than 1800 people.

人權組織表示，安全部隊已殺害超過一千八百人。

That number of course, significantly higher than before.

這個數字當然比之前高出許多。

CNN cannot independently confirm casualty figures, but we're closely monitoring what we can.

CNN 無法獨立證實傷亡數字，但我們會密切監控我們能掌握的資訊。

Nada Bashir joining us now this hour from London.

Nada Bashir 現在從倫敦加入我們。

This Internet blackout, of course nada continues several days in.

這場網路封鎖，Nada，已經持續好幾天了。

At this point it is so tough to get information in and out.

在這個時刻，要傳遞資訊進出非常困難。

不過，我們到底學到了些什麼呢？

It has absolutely been very difficult to get any real time updates on what is unfolding inside Iran.

要即時更新伊朗境內發生的情況，真的非常困難。

Some Iranians have been able to use some landline phones to make calls outside of the country to give updates on what is happening.

有些伊朗人透過一些固網電話，得以聯繫國外，提供當地發生的情況。

We've been hearing from some on the ground who have said that the protests have died down somewhat as of Monday in comparison to previous nights.

我們聽到一些當地人的說法，他們表示截至週一，相較於前幾晚，抗議活動已經稍微減弱了。

I've been speaking to one contact who's told me that one relative was able to make a call out to the UK to give an update saying that they had heard warnings from their students that security forces were shooting relentlessly at protesters during these nightly demonstrations taking place in Tehran.

我有聯繫上一位人士，他告訴我，他的親戚能夠打電話到英國，提供最新消息，說他們聽學生說，在德黑蘭夜間示威活動中，安全部隊正無情射擊抗議者。

So a very troubling picture coming from just these snippets of information that we have been able to receive as a result of this total Internet and communications blackout that is still in place over Iran.

所以，從我們透過這次全面且仍在進行中的網路及通訊封鎖中，僅能收到的這些片段資訊，描繪出一個令人不安的景象。

And of course we have seen some video emerging since that Internet communications blackout was in force.

當然，自從網路通訊封鎖開始以來，我們也看到了一些影片出現。

We have seen videos, distressing videos showing body bags lined outside a medical complex giving an indication of the scale of the violence that we have seen at the hands of the Iranian security forces.

我們看到一些令人心痛的影片，顯示醫療設施外排滿了屍袋，這顯示了伊朗安全部隊所造成的暴力規模。

And as you mentioned now a U S based human rights organization which is tracking that death toll has given a staggering update in comparison to that death toll which was put at over 500 just yesterday.

正如你剛才提到的，一個總部位於美國的人權組織，正在追蹤死亡人數，並給出了一個驚人的更新，相較於昨天估計超過500人的死亡人數。

Now this update, 1800 are believed to have been killed since protests began.

現在這個更新顯示，自抗議活動開始以來，據信已有1800人死亡。

And this is a shocking jump in the figure.

Of course CNN cannot independently verify this data, but

CNN當然無法獨立證實這些數據，但

that gives you a sense of the scale and that certainly reflects what we have been hearing from what little information is coming out of Iran.

這讓大家對事態的嚴重性有了概念，也確實反映了我們從伊朗零星傳出的資訊中所聽到的情況。

We've been hearing that hospitals are overwhelmed, that protesters have been shot at, and

我們聽說醫院人滿為患，抗議者遭到槍擊，

of course these are large scale protests that are not only taking place in the capital Tehran, but

當然，這些大規模的抗議活動不僅發生在首都德黑蘭，

they have touched every province of Iran, multiple towns and cities.

也已經蔓延到伊朗的每個省份、許多城鎮。

And of course, while there are reports that they have died down, there is still a concern that during this Internet and communications back out, we will continue to see that violence intensify and we will continue to see that death toll increasing.

當然，雖然有報導說抗議活動已經減弱，但令人擔憂的是，在這次網路和通訊封鎖期間，暴力可能會持續加劇，死亡人數也會持續增加。

We have heard from Iranian officials through state media suggesting that that Internet blackout will continue to remain in place in airwords until security is restored in Iran.

我們從伊朗官方透過國營媒體聽到的消息是，網路封鎖將會持續下去，直到伊朗的治安恢復為止。

And of course, fears again around the international reaction and the potential for the US to take direct military action if indeed the violence continues.

當然，大家再次擔心國際社會的反應，以及如果暴力持續下去，美國是否會採取直接軍事行動。

some of those concerns are that nada that it could lead to in many ways a further crackdown despite the threats from Donald Trump.

其中一些擔憂是，儘管川普發出威脅，這可能會導致進一步的政府鎮壓。

Just real quickly too, in terms of these protests, is there a sense of how organized they are?

快速地說一下，關於這些抗議活動，大家有感覺它們的組織程度如何嗎？

And by that I mean how much they are organized around a central rallying cry in terms of what the protesters want to see for change?

也就是說，從抗議者想要看到的改變來看，他們在多大程度上圍繞著一個中央的訴求來組織起來？

Well, look, this began very clearly as a protest over the economic crisis in Iran.

嗯，你看，這很明顯是從對伊朗經濟危機的抗議開始的。

We saw business owners from Tehran's bazaars carrying out organized demonstrations alongside even university students over the soaring inflation rates, the plummeting currency and the fact that ordinary Iranians were simply unable to get by on a day to day basis, unable to pay their rent, unable to buy everyday goods such as food and essential medicine because things have become simply too expensive, expensive.

我們看到，德黑蘭市集裡的企業主，甚至大學生，都走上街頭進行有組織的示威活動，抗議飛漲的通膨、暴跌的貨幣，以及普通伊朗人每天都難以為繼、付不起房租、買不起食物和必需藥品等日常用品，因為東西實在是太貴了。

But this has really grown and evolved into so much more.

但這真的已經發展和演變成更多了。

Of course, there are multiple wide ranging grievances with the Iranian regime beyond the economy, including political freedom, social freedoms, of course, as we have seen in the past, women taking to the streets in protest against the regime's strict rules and regulations on the way women dress, where they have access to, in terms of where they're able to be active openly.

當然，伊朗政權除了經濟之外，還有許多廣泛的抱怨，包括政治自由、社會自由，當然，就像我們過去看到的，女性走上街頭抗議政權對女性穿著、活動範圍的嚴格規定。

And of course, this has really garnered support, support from a wide range of the Iranian population.

當然，這真的贏得了廣泛伊朗民眾的支持。

And this is potentially what makes this protest movement very different.

這或許是讓這次抗議運動非常與眾不同的地方。

We are seeing Iranians from all ethnic backgrounds, religious, sex, age groups, women and men, the young and the old, taking part in these demonstrations.

我們看到來自各種族裔、宗教、性別、年齡群體，男女老少，都在參與這些示威活動。

And we are increasingly hearing calls for the regime to be toppled.

我們越來越聽到推翻政權的呼聲。

CNN senior political reporter Stephen Collinson, who's joining me live from Washington.

CNN資深政治記者 Stephen Collinson，正在華盛頓連線。

When we look at the way that this is all potentially or the way this could potentially play out, it's important to note, as you did in one of your recent column, Iran is not Venezuela.

當然，當我們看事情的發展，或者說它可能如何發展時，很重要的一點是，正如你在最近的一篇專欄中提到的，伊朗不是委內瑞拉。

And there are certainly some lessons to be learned in the way that the president, the administration went about removing Maduro and what has been left.

而且，在總統和政府如何處理馬杜羅下臺以及之後的局面時，肯定有一些經驗教訓可以學習。

What is your takeaway in this moment when we look at these two particular situations which are in fact quite different?

當我們看這兩個情況，其實很不一樣，你認為在這個時刻，最大的啟示是什麼？

I think the first one, as you heard from what Elena was saying, was this Iran situation is far more complex on the face of doesn't seem like the quick, sharp win that the president declared in Venezuela with the ousting of Maduro is necessarily going to be available to him in Iran.

我認為第一個，就像你從 Elena 的話裡聽到的，伊朗的情況要複雜得多，表面上看，總統在委內瑞拉推翻馬杜羅時宣稱的快速、乾脆的勝利，在伊朗不一定能實現。

I think the first question to ask is whether US Action, military action, attacks, will help the protesters and perhaps be a decisive push to nudge the regime over the edge, or will they hurt?

我認為首先要問的問題是，美國的軍事行動、攻擊，會不會幫助抗議者，並可能成為將政權推向懸崖的決定性一擊，還是會傷害他們？

Could the US Simply end up getting rid of the clerical regime in Tehran and creating a new situation whereby some kind of domestic IGRC strongman takes over?

美國會不會最終推翻德黑蘭的教士政權，並創造一個新的局面，讓某種國內的伊斯蘭革命衛隊強人掌權？

So I think there are a lot of things that the administration has to weigh here.

所以，我認為政府有很多事情需要權衡。

And, of course, the president has repeatedly established a red line.

He said he would act if Iran shot against the protesters.

他說，如果伊朗朝抗議者開槍，他就會採取行動。

So the bias here, from his point of view, I think, would be to take some kind of action.

所以，從他的角度來看，我認為這裡的偏見是會採取某種行動。

But there are many questions and caveats about whether the US could be effective and what kind of circumstances it might unleash if it went back to hitting Iran militarily.

但關於美國是否能有效行動，以及如果美國重回軍事打擊伊朗，可能會引發何種情況，有很多疑問和注意事項。

Not least, of course, he also has to weigh the domestic factors.

當然，他還必須權衡國內因素，這點尤其重要。

There's a great deal of concern about his actions in Venezuela.

對於他在委內瑞拉的行動，有很大的擔憂。

There's a huge controversy about Trump's plan to create ownership of Greenland.

關於川普計劃擁有格陵蘭的計畫，引起了巨大的爭議。

So all of this, I think, is going to be part of the White House deliberations.

所以，我認為這一切都會是白宮考量的一部分。

It's also so interesting because a lot of the criticism following the capture of Maduro and his wife was over whether or not there was actually a plan for the day after.

這也很有趣，因為在馬杜羅夫婦被捕後，很多批評都圍繞著到底有沒有「隔天」的計畫。

And there are questions about what the ultimate goal would be in Iran.

對於伊朗的最終目標，也有很多疑問。

To your point, could it potentially embolden the existing regime?

說到重點，這會不會反而壯大現有的政權？

I mean, Trump has said repeatedly now, this is about the oil, really, in Venezuela.

我的意思是，川普現在已經一再說過，這其實是關於委內瑞拉的石油。

It is not a democracy for first operation.

If that is potentially the goal in Iran, democracy, that is a massive undertaking.

如果這可能是伊朗的目標，也就是民主，那將是一項巨大的工程。

And I think there is a tantalizing goal here for the administration, the possibility that it could rid the Middle east of the Iranian revolutionary regime, which has been a huge factor in supporting terrorism, in opposing Israel and US goals in the Middle east for 45 years.

我認為這對政府來說是一個誘人的目標，也就是有可能讓中東擺脫伊朗革命政權，這個政權在支持恐怖主義、反對以色列以及美國在中東的目標上，已經扮演了長達 45 年的關鍵角色。

That would be something, first of all, that would appeal to the administration geopolitically, but

首先，這在地緣政治上會吸引政府，而且

Could he be the president who finally solves the Iran question for the United States?

他會是那個最終為美國解決伊朗問題的總統嗎？

We know that he's looking for legacy historical achievements that may well appeal to his sense of the dramatic.

我們知道他正在尋求歷史性的成就，這很可能會吸引他戲劇化的個人風格。

And this idea that he's wielding unaccountable and vast American power across the globe, yet at the same time, is there that option that the United States has to create a quick, spectacular military clap and not get dragged into all sorts of other consequences that might flow from Iran?

而這種想法，認為他掌握著不受監督且龐大的美國全球力量，但同時，美國是否還有選項能夠發動一場快速、驚人的軍事行動，而不會被伊朗可能引發的各種後果拖下水？

We know that the whole US showdown with Iran started in the early 1950s with a US coup that was motivated by oil, somewhat similar to Trump's actions in Venezuela in recent weeks.

我們知道，美國與伊朗的全面對峙始於 1950 年代初期，當時美國發動了一場由石油所驅動的政變，這與川普近幾週在委內瑞拉的行動有些相似。

US Plans made in Washington that seem very logical on the face of it often end up leading down difficult, punishing ways for presidents in the Middle east, as we saw in the early years of this century as well.

在華盛頓制定的美國計畫，表面上看似非常合理，但往往最終會讓中東的總統們走上艱難、痛苦的道路，就像我們在本世紀初也看到的。

So I think there's a lot for the administration to be concerned about, even in its current belligerent and bullish mood.

所以，我認為即使在政府目前好戰且自信滿滿的心態下，也有很多事情讓他們感到擔憂。