Name: 英國廣播公司：凱米·巴登諾赫對川普有關格陵蘭的評論感到「震驚」！ (Kemi Badenoch 'shocked' by Donald Trump's comments about Greenland | BBC News)
Uploaded: 2026-01-11T17:05:35.000Z
Duration: 18 min 11 s

Well, last week, Sir Keir Samar vowed that he would still be in the Prime Minister's seat in 2027.

不過，上週，Sir Keir Samar 誓言要在 2027 年繼續擔任首相。

Kemi Badenoch, the Tory leader, looks set to be there too.

保守黨領袖 Kemi Badenoch 看起來也會在那裡。

After a rocky start in the job, the Conservatives mood has gone from glum to showing some signs of hope as their dreadful poll ratings are showing some signs of picking up.

在工作經歷了一段艱難的開端後，保守黨的情緒從沮喪轉為出現一些希望的跡象，因為他們糟糕的民調數字正在顯示一些回升的跡象。

But in the second of our new year interviews with the party leaders, let's find out how she would handle dramatic events around the world and talk about your plans to ban social media for kids, a subject we know is close to many of our viewers hearts.

但在我們新年對黨派領袖的第二場訪談中，讓我們來看看她將如何處理世界各地的戲劇性事件，並談談你們禁止兒童使用社群媒體的計畫，這是一個我們知道許多觀眾都非常關心的議題。

You've used the phrase get serious a lot in speeches and interviews when the world is in such turmoil.

當世界如此動盪不安時，你在演講和訪談中經常使用「嚴肅起來」這個詞。

Do you think the UK is not a serious country?

你認為英國不是一個嚴肅的國家嗎？

I think we have been complacent for a very long time.

我認為我們很長一段時間以來都太自滿了。

And what I want to see is a stronger Britain and a government that works fully in our national interest.

我希望看到一個更強大的英國，以及一個完全為我們國家利益服務的政府。

And what that means is making sure that we are a strong economy can fund our defense properly and we are taken seriously by other countries around the world, rather than people who ignore our rules, exploit our laws and legislation.

這意味著我們要確保我們擁有強勁的經濟，能夠妥善資助國防，並且能被世界其他國家認真看待，而不是被那些無視我們的規則、剝削我們的法律和法規的人。

And I don't think we've been doing that for a very long time.

我認為我們很久以來都沒有這樣做了。

But you've also said that the Prime Minister needs to be stronger, to use your phrase, when it comes to events around the world.

但你也說過，首相在處理國際事務時需要更強硬，用你的話來說。

If you look at what's happened in the last week, the government did a deal with other countries to send troops to Ukraine if there's a peace deal.

如果你看看上週發生的事，政府與其他國家達成協議，如果達成和平協議，將派遣軍隊前往烏克蘭。

The RAF bombed an Islamic State arms dump in Syria and the military helped the US seize a tanker off the coast of Iceland and Scotland.

英國皇家空軍轟炸了敘利亞的伊斯蘭國軍火庫，軍隊協助美國在冰島和蘇格蘭海岸附近繳獲了一艘油輪。

So on top of that, what else would you do?

那麼，除了這些之外，你還會做些什麼？

Well, what I would like to see is the strengthening of our country.

嗯，我希望看到的是我們國家的強化。

For example, the plans which the Prime Minister has, along with Ed Miliband on net zero, are meaning that we're losing our manufacturing capacity, electricity is very expensive, businesses are closing, unemployment is going up.

例如，首相與埃德·米利班德一起提出的關於淨零排放的計畫，意味著我們正在失去製造能力，電力非常昂貴，企業正在倒閉，失業率正在上升。

So the economy is not doing well, which means it's harder to fund defence.

所以經濟表現不佳，這意味著更難為國防提供資金。

Right now, the Strategic Defence Review, which the Prime Minister commissioned, has a huge shortfall.

那麼，目前由首相委託進行的「戰略國防審查」出現了巨大的資金缺口。

So we want to see the strengthening of our economy, of our defence, and

所以我們希望能看到我們的經濟和國防得到強化，

我們會和他一起努力達成這個目標。

But when it comes to foreign policy, which is on the front of people's minds so much this weekend, what else would you do?

但說到這個週末大家都在關心的外交政策，你還會做些什麼呢？

Would you, for example, send UK troops, perhaps alongside NATO, to Greenland to help secure that country it's about being more strategic and thinking more about the long term.

你會，舉例來說，派英國軍隊，或許和北約一起，前往格陵蘭協助鞏固該國，這是關於更有戰略眼光並長遠思考。

So what I would do, for instance, would be stop this ridiculous surrender of British sovereign territory in the chagos Islands, costing us 35 billion pounds to give away, you know, to give away something that we have that add to a country that is allied with China that is not thinking strategically.

所以，舉例來說，我會停止將查戈斯群島這個英國主權領土賤賣的荒謬行為，白白送出價值 350 億英鎊的東西，你知道，送給一個與中國結盟、沒有戰略思維的國家。

But I think specifically this weekend there are very pressing questions.

但我認為，特別是這個週末，有一些非常緊迫的問題。

The President of the United States has threatened a NATO ally.

美國總統威脅了一個北約盟友。

There are suggestions this morning that the UK Might respond to help that situation by promising some of its own troops to Greenland.

今早有建議說，英國可能會承諾派遣自己的部隊前往格陵蘭，以協助改善那裡的情況。

So is that something you would recommend?

Well, first of all, I was completely shocked to even hear the comments about Greenland.

嗯，首先，我對聽到關於格陵蘭的評論感到非常震驚。

And I stood up last week with the Prime Minister saying what he said was absolutely right.

上週我和首相一起站出來，說他所說的絕對是正確的。

We need to make sure that we support NATO countries.

我們需要確保我們支持北約國家。

Yes, but what exactly is the threat we're talking about?

是的，但我們到底在說什麼威脅？

What I'm not going to do is give a blank check.

我不會做的是開一張空白支票。

What is the reason why we are sending troops to Greenland?

Is that to make sure that we are being more serious?

NATO spending has been well below what it should be across the countries.

北約各國的支出都遠低於應有的水準。

What I'm not going to do is have an operational conversation when I don't have, you know, the level of security.

我不會做的是，在沒有足夠安全級別的情況下，進行操作性對話。

Briefings in detail which the Prime Minister, hang on.

Is setting out a broader strategy about what kind of country we need to be.

正在設定一個更廣泛的策略，關於我們需要成為一個什麼樣的國家。

The rules based order is quite clearly breaking down.

基於規則的秩序顯然正在瓦解。

What I'm not going to do is pretend to be a military general and give operational details about where exactly we would send troops.

我不會假裝自己是軍事將領，去提供我們確切會派兵到哪裡的戰術細節。

But my job is to hold the government to account overall.

但我的工作是整體上監督政府。

But there is a specific issue presented in front of us right now.

但現在我們面前有一個具體的問題。

You've been very happy and you said that there were shocking comments.

你很高興，並說有令人震驚的評論。

You've been happy to criticize Donald Trump's comments about Greenland.

你很樂意批評唐納·川普關於格陵蘭的言論。

The question now is for other leaders to decide what to do about it.

現在的問題是其他領導人要決定怎麼做。

So would you support a proposal to send British troops as part of a NATO deployment to help secure Greenland, that really important strategic bit of geography in the world right now?

所以你會支持一項提議，讓英國軍隊作為北約部署的一部分，來協助確保格陵蘭的安全嗎？格陵蘭是現今世界上一個非常重要的戰略地理位置。

What I'm really worried about is whether there's even going to be a NATO.

我真正擔心的是北約是否還會存在。

We need to make sure we keep the US on site.

Talking about, talking about putting troops to settle a dispute between NATO members I think is getting ahead of ourselves.

談論、談論派遣軍隊來解決北約成員之間的爭端，我認為這有點操之過急了。

We need to make sure that's the question.

I disagree with the premise of the question and what I'm seeing right now is protests in Iran, a strategic threat to NATO to our country.

我不同意這個問題的前提，而且我現在看到的是伊朗的抗議活動，這對北約和我們的國家構成戰略威脅。

We're talking about Greenland, which actually I believe is a second order issue versus what is happening right now.

我們在談論格陵蘭，我其實認為這是一個次要問題，相較於現在正在發生的事情。

Of course, we need to make sure that we secure NATO countries and we stand with Greenland, we stand with Denmark, but

當然，我們需要確保我們保護北約國家，我們支持格陵蘭，我們支持丹麥，但是

right now talking about troops as if we are going to war with the US I don't want your viewers to be confused about what it is that the priority is.

現在談論派兵，好像我們要跟美國開戰一樣，我不希望觀眾對優先事項感到困惑。

The priority right now is the British national interest.

目前的優先事項是英國的國家利益。

What are we doing to make our country safer?

The threat to Greenland, which you've just said is a second order issue, is the United States, which has been part of NATO for decades, making a threat to another member of NATO.

你剛才說的格陵蘭威脅，是次要問題，但美國是北約成員國數十年了，卻對另一個北約成員國構成威脅。

So in what way is that a second order issue to what is happening today?

那這跟現在發生的事情相比，為什麼會是次要問題呢？

Today, right now, we are seeing protests in Iran.

今天，就在此刻，我們看到伊朗正在抗議。

If you're saying securing Greenland is not.

如果你說確保格陵蘭安全不是。

Because this is hypothetical, the US has not invaded Greenland.

因為這是假設性的，美國並沒有入侵格陵蘭。

So what I don't want us to do is start escalating a conversation well beyond where it has got.

所以我不希望我們開始升高一場遠遠超出目前情況的對話。

There has been a communique released by lots of European countries saying that they stand with Greenland, that they disagree with President Trump's comments.

歐洲好幾個國家發布了一份聲明，表示他們支持格陵蘭，並且不同意川普總統的評論。

Let's pause that there and look at what is happening today.

我們先暫停一下，來看看今天發生的事。

Where are the security issues and what I see from President Trump with what's happening with Venezuela.

安全問題在哪裡？川普總統對於委內瑞拉發生的事有什麼看法？

He is looking strategically at the axis of authoritarian states.

他正從戰略角度看待這個威權國家軸心。

And we need to get serious and start thinking on that scale to, to protect our country.

我們需要認真起來，開始用這種規模來思考，來保護我們的國家。

But you believe that's not the most pressing issue right now.

但你認為這不是目前最緊迫的問題。

So let's talk about that very pressing issue then.

那我們就來談談那個非常緊迫的問題吧。

Should the US and its allies intervene in some way to help bring an end to the Ayatollah Ayatollah's regime?

美國及其盟友是否應該以某種方式介入，以幫助推翻阿亞圖拉政權？

Well, it's extraordinary what we're seeing.

嗯，我們看到的景象實在非同尋常。

You know, this is a country that has repressed women probably more than any other.

你知道，這個國家壓迫女性的程度可能比任何其他國家都嚴重。

You see, you see these protests and you just hope that they finally succeeded.

你看到這些抗議活動，你只希望他們終於能成功。

There have been many protests in the Middle east that have ended quite badly.

中東發生過許多抗議活動，但結局都很糟糕。

I was very supportive, for example, when Israel had strikes against Iran's nuclear facilities.

例如，我非常支持以色列對伊朗核設施進行打擊。

Iran would very happily wipe out the UK if they thought it could get away with it.

如果伊朗認為自己能逃脫懲罰，他們會非常樂意摧毀英國。

它曾試圖在我們的土地上殺害人民。

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