Name: 烏克蘭和平協議：澤倫斯基強調安全保障條款！ | DW 新聞 (Ukraine peace deal: Zelenskyy emphasises the stipulation of security guarantees | DW News)
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says there are still two major unresolved issues in talks with the US to end the war in his country.

烏克蘭總統澤倫斯基表示，與美國就結束國家戰爭的談判中，仍有兩大未解決的問題。

One is the future of the Donetsk region and the other the Russian held Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant.

一個是頓內茨克地區的未來，另一個是俄羅斯佔領的札波羅熱核電廠。

Zelenskyy said security guarantees for any peace agreement also remain a central issue in the negotiations.

澤倫斯基說，任何和平協議的安全保障也是談判中的核心問題。

We had conversation with the United States team about possible security guarantees for Ukraine and we are working on a framework document and it must be strong enough to truly work.

我們與美國團隊討論了對烏克蘭可能的安全保障，我們正在制定一份框架文件，它必須足夠強大才能真正奏效。

We believe these documents should be approved by the United States Congress.

我們認為這些文件應該獲得美國國會的準許。

This would mean real, solid, legally binding security guarantees for our country.

這將意味著我們國家真正、穩固、具有法律約束力的安全保障。

Let's see where we stand and bring in our correspondents Nimisha Jaswal in Lviv and Sergei Satanovsky in Riga, from where DW has been following events in Russia since we were banned in the country.

讓我們看看目前的狀況，並連線我們在利沃夫的記者尼米莎·賈斯瓦爾，以及在里加的謝爾蓋·薩塔諾夫斯基，DW 自從在俄羅斯被禁以來，一直從那裡關注俄羅斯的動態。

Trump's peace plan was widely seen as echoing the Kremlin's demands.

川普的和平計畫被廣泛認為呼應了克里姆林宮的要求。

Now that it doesn't really seem to be going anywhere, where does that leave Putin?

現在這似乎沒有任何進展，這讓普丁處於什麼樣的境地？

Well, first of all, I should say that the Kremlin hasn't officially commented on the specific points of this, this latest proposal, of this latest discussions mentioned by Zelensky.

嗯，首先，我應該說克里姆林宮並沒有針對澤倫斯基提到的最新提議、最新討論的具體內容發表官方評論。

Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov basically said that there is nothing to respond to yet.

普丁的發言人德米特里·佩斯科夫基本上說，目前還沒有什麼可以回應的。

Washington is discussing a peace plan with Ukraine at the moment and not with Russia.

華盛頓目前正在與烏克蘭討論和平計畫，而不是與俄羅斯。

But at the same time, seeing Putin, Vladimir Putin, stick to a hard line position on the Donbass.

但同時，我們看到普丁，弗拉基米爾·普丁，在頓巴斯問題上堅持強硬立場。

He recently repeated, for example, that the region is historically Russian land that became part of Ukraine by mistake, as he put it.

例如，他最近重申，該地區在歷史上是俄羅斯的土地，是他所謂的錯誤才成為烏克蘭的一部分。

And for that reason, he, he said Russia will take it by force if Ukrainian troops don't withdraw on their own.

是以，他表示，如果烏克蘭軍隊不自行撤離，俄羅斯將武力奪取。

And beyond that, Putin is no longer talking about de facto recognition of Donbass as a Russian region.

除此之外，普丁不再談論事實上承認頓巴斯為俄羅斯地區。

He now wants international recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea and the Donbas.

他現在希望國際社會承認俄羅斯對克里米亞和頓巴斯的 વારસો。

So in other words, if the conflict escalates again later, Putin wants the world to see it not as Ukraine trying to reclaim its territory, but

換句話說，如果衝突再次升級，普丁希望世界看到的不是烏克蘭試圖收復其領土，而是

你提到了頓巴斯，那是他的宿敵。

That is a huge issue as well for Volodymyr Zelensky.

這對烏克蘭總統澤倫斯基來說，也是個大問題。

He takes issue with two aspects of this Trump plan that is on the table, that is Donetsk and the status of the Zaporizhzhia power plant.

他對川普提出的這項計畫有兩點意見，那就是頓內茨克和札波羅熱核電廠的地位。

Well, Nicole, the overarching question is why is a country that has been attacked, why should that be the country that is making the concessions?

妮可，最根本的問題是，一個遭受攻擊的國家，為什麼要做出讓步？

As you just mentioned, the Putin and Russia want the entirety of the Donbass.

正如你剛才提到的，普丁和俄羅斯想要整個頓巴斯地區。

And Ukraine still controls about 25% of the Donetsk region that falls within this region.

而烏克蘭仍然控制著這個地區內約25%的頓內茨克地區。

Now, Zelensky has candidly shared a few more details of the US peace plan.

現在，澤倫斯基坦誠地分享了美國和平計畫的一些細節。

Last evening he spoke to the media and he said that the plan suggests that Ukraine withdraw from the area that it still controls, that the US suggests it be made into a special Economic zone, and

昨晚他接受媒體採訪時表示，這項計畫建議烏克蘭撤離其仍控制的區域，美國建議將該區域設為一個特別經濟區，而

that Russia is calling it a demilitarized zone.

But many questions still stand, according to Zelensky.

不過，根據澤倫斯基的說法，仍有許多問題懸而未決。

Will Russia pull back in equal amount, which seems to be a fair demand, and

俄羅斯會同樣撤兵嗎？這似乎是個公平的要求，而且

how will they prevent so called civilians from infiltrating this area?

他們要如何阻止所謂的平民滲透到這個區域？

And all of these are questions that Zelensky says have not been addressed.

澤倫斯基表示，所有這些問題都還沒有得到解決。

But it is interesting that he has left the door open.

但有趣的是，他並沒有完全關上大門。

He hasn't completely shut this down and called it non negotiable by saying that the people of Ukraine will decide through an election or a referendum.

他並沒有完全關閉這扇門，也沒有說這不可談判，而是表示烏克蘭人民將透過選舉或公投來決定。

But once again, he's called for Western support and security guarantees to make sure that such an election or referendum can be carried out safely.

但他再次呼籲西方國家支持並提供安全保障，以確保這類選舉或公投能夠安全地進行。

It seems so far impossible to do that in a war zone.

在戰區裡，到目前為止似乎不可能做到這一點。

Let's zoom in Nimitia for a second on the aspect of security guarantees.

我們來稍微聚焦一下尼米莎關於安全保障的部分。

What exactly is Zelensky asking for and from whom?

澤倫斯基到底在尋求什麼？又是向誰尋求？

Well, when it comes to peacetime security guarantees, Zelensky wants hard bilateral agreements with the different allies.

嗯，關於和平時期的安全保障，澤倫斯基希望與各個盟友簽訂硬性的雙邊協議。

With the US a bilateral agreement that is legally binding and approved by the Congress so that it's not subject to the whims of temperamental presidents.

與美國簽訂一份具有法律約束力並經美國國會準許的雙邊協議，這樣就不會受到那些情緒不定的總統的隨意擺佈。

And with the EU as well, bilateral agreements, perhaps with the coalition of the willing.

和歐盟也是一樣，簽訂雙邊協議，也許會與「有志者聯盟」簽訂。

This is of course not agreeable to Russia.

Of course, these are peacekeeping troops that have been suggested.

當然，這些是建議派出的維和部隊。

Russia has countered once again with the suggestion of being a part of the security guarantees offered to Ukraine.

俄羅斯再次反擊，建議參與提供給烏克蘭的安全保障。

It is also said that it won't attack EU or NATO countries.

據說他們也不會攻擊歐盟或北約國家。

This, of course, is laughable to Ukraine and to the EU because Russia has not particularly been known for keeping its word.

這當然讓烏克蘭和歐盟覺得可笑，因為俄羅斯一向不以信守承諾聞名。

Sergey, none of that will sound appealing to Vladimir Putin.

謝爾蓋，這些對普丁來說都不會吸引人。

Where, if at all, would he be willing to compromise?

他會在什麼地方，或者說，他願意在哪裡妥協？

There aren't actually many compromises he's willing to make.

For example, the Kremlin has repeatedly said it wouldn't oppose Ukraine joining the European Union.

例如，克里姆林宮一再表示不會反對烏克蘭加入歐洲聯盟。

But the only question here is whether Putin genuinely has no objection or whether he is counting, for example, on Hungary to block Ukraine's succession.

但這裡的問題是，普丁是真的沒有意見，還是他指望著，例如匈牙利來阻止烏克蘭的加入？

Russia also seems willing to discuss Western security guarantees, as the Misha just mentioned, for Ukraine.

俄羅斯似乎也願意討論西方提供的安全保障，就像米莎剛才提到的，為烏克蘭。

It's still unclear, though, whether those guarantees could resemble, for example, NATO's Article 5.

但這些保障是否會類似於北約第五條，這點還不明確。

After all, preventing Ukraine from joining the alliance was one of the key Moscow's key goals in this war against Ukraine.

畢竟，阻止烏克蘭加入北約，是莫斯科在這場對烏克蘭戰爭中的關鍵目標之一。

And one more point remains unresolved as well, whether Russia is ready to freeze the conflict in the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions, basically along the current front line.

還有一個懸而未決的問題，就是俄羅斯是否願意讓札波羅熱和赫爾松地區的衝突凍結，基本上沿著目前的戰線。

That idea was part of Trump's initial 28 so called 28 point peace plan.

這個想法是川普最初所謂的 28 點和平計畫的一部分。

But later Russia's foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, basically repeated the demand that the Ukrainian forces withdraw from those territories.

但後來俄羅斯外長拉夫羅夫基本上重申了要求，烏克蘭軍隊必須從這些地區撤離。

Sergei Satanovsky in Riga and Nemeshad Jaswal in Lviv.

里加的謝爾蓋·薩塔諾夫斯基，以及利沃夫的尼米莎·賈斯瓦爾。