Name: 領導的非法命令讓軍人陷入災難性處境！——瑞秋·瑪鐸 (Illegal Orders From Leadership Put Military Members In A Disastrous Position - Rachel Maddow)
Uploaded: 2025-12-03T17:14:42.000Z
Duration: 4 min 56 s

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Now, a couple weeks ago, 10 days ago, several members of Congress, all veterans, put out a video saying, just a reminder that the Uniform Code of Military justice says that you not only can disobey an illegal order, but.

大約兩週前，十天前，有幾位國會議員，他們都是退伍軍人，拍了一支影片，提醒大家，軍事審判法規規定，你不但可以不服從非法命令，而且。

That's what that's taught in Officer Training Corps.

The president's response to that was to call it seditious behavior.

總統對此的回應是，稱之為煽動叛亂行為。

Seditious behavior punishable by all caps.

Do you know of any precedent in American history where the President called for the execution of sitting members of Congress?

你知道美國歷史上有任何總統呼籲處決在任國會議員的先例嗎？

It's not just bad about the Trump administration.

It's also a tragedy for members of the military who are being put in between Iraq and a hard place because members of the military will follow the orders of civilian leadership.

對於軍方成員來說，這也是一場悲劇，他們被夾在中間，因為軍方會服從文官領導的命令。

It's a really important, it's a really important part of who we are as a country.

這對我們國家來說，是非常重要的。

But when those orders are illegal, they're put in the position of having to parse what to do.

但當那些命令是非法的時候，他們就會陷入必須仔細分析該怎麼做的困境。

What the military tells them to do is to not obey illegal orders.

軍方告訴他們，不要服從非法命令。

But here's the Secretary of Defense and the President effectively saying, well, if I said it, it's not illegal.

但國防部長和總統卻說，如果我說了，那就不算非法。

It just puts, it puts Admiral Bradley at this special in Special Operations.

這讓海軍上將布萊德利在特種作戰中陷入了特殊的處境。

It puts everybody involved in those strikes in a disastrous position where they may be charged with war crimes or with murder for doing something that Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth told them to do.

這讓所有參與那些攻擊行動的人都陷入了災難性的處境，他們可能會因為聽從唐納·川普和皮特·海塞斯的訓示而面臨戰爭罪或謀殺罪的指控。

And that's not fair to our members in the military.

這對我們軍中的成員來說，實在不公平。

I guess the only justifications put forth for all of these is that they are drugs generally full of drugs generally sometimes specifically labeled for fentanyl, even though Venezuela does not, is not really involved in the fentanyl trade.

我猜所有這些的唯一辯護理由是，它們通常是充滿毒品的，有時特別標示為芬太尼，即使委內瑞拉並沒有真正參與芬太尼貿易。

But at the same time, while this sort of narco terrorism justification has been put out there.

但同時，雖然這種毒品恐怖主義的辯護理由已經被提出來了。

Convicted drug trafficker and former Honduran president Juan Hernandez was released from prison today after receiving a pardon from Trump, even though he was found guilty by an American jury.

被判毒品交易犯且前宏都拉斯總統胡安·赫南德茲，今天在獲得川普的赦免後獲釋出獄，儘管他被美國陪審團判定有罪。

Sentenced to something like 45 years in jail.

And it was for aiding in the smuggling of 400 tons of cocaine that he said, and

這是因為協助走私了 400 噸古柯鹼，他表示，

I'm paraphrasing here, we will force the powder up the gringo's nose.

我在這裡是引述他的話，我們會把粉末塞進那些外國佬的鼻孔裡。

Is there any, obviously, that flies in the face of fighting narco terrorism?

有沒有什麼，很明顯地，這跟打擊毒品恐怖主義是背道而馳的？

Has the White House put forth any rationale for this?

I mean, why are we going to Go to war with Venezuela.

我的意思是，我們為什麼要去跟委內瑞拉開戰。

Anybody, like, has anybody heard an argument also?

有沒有人，像是，有沒有人聽過什麼論點？

The only rationale they've put forth is that we're stopping drug trafficking of fentanyl, which doesn't come from Venezuela.

他們提出的唯一理由是我們要阻止芬太尼的毒品販運，而芬太尼並非來自委內瑞拉。

And if there is a drug trafficking rationale for a war, which is a pretty dubious idea in the first place, since drug trafficking is a crime, so why make it a war?

而且，如果毒品販運是發動戰爭的理由，這本身就是個很可疑的想法，因為毒品販運是犯罪，為什麼要把它變成戰爭？

To have just pardoned the most prolific convicted drug smuggler in the history of the United States and set him free makes absolutely no sense.

剛赦免了美國史上最多產的毒品走私犯並將他釋放，這完全說不通。

And so can you think of why it is he just doesn't like the idea of a president going to jail for anything.

所以你能想到為什麼他就是不喜歡總統會因為任何事而入獄的想法嗎？

I know it's weird, but I think that's a serious.

我知道這聽起來很奇怪，但我認為這是一個嚴肅的。

因為他就是不喜歡賈爾·波索納洛。

你知道，這在我看來是相關的。

I mean, it should be noted that this particular drug.

我是說，我們應該注意到這種特定的毒品。

Drug trafficking former Honduran president did hire a Republican lobbying firm a few years ago and paid them a lot of money in order to get him in this kind of position.

毒品販運的前宏都拉斯總統幾年前確實聘請了一家共和黨遊說公司，並支付了他們一大筆錢，以讓他處於這種位置。

And so there seems to be a money trail here in terms of the corruption that's behind a lot of Trump's pardons.

所以，就川普政府許多赦免背後的腐敗而言，這裡似乎有一條金錢線索。

But for, I mean, the bigger question, I think, for us as Americans is if it's not drug trafficking, if that's not what's driving what's going on with Venezuela, what is it?

但對我們美國人來說，更大的問題是，如果不是毒品販運，如果這不是驅動委內瑞拉局勢的原因，那又是什麼呢？

And if we really are just going to go start a war with Venezuela for the optics, because they like those videos of blowing up the boats and they think it makes them look tough on TikTok, or because we're going to go steal the oil from that country, which is also a war crime.

而如果我們真的只是為了形象而與委內瑞拉開戰，因為他們喜歡那些炸毀船隻的影片，並認為這讓他們在 TikTok 上看起來很強硬，或者因為我們要去竊取那個國家的石油，這也是一種戰爭罪。

I think that the whole America first idea, the whole idea that Trump was going to get us out of stupid war should maybe be revisited.

我認為「美國優先」這個想法，川普會讓我們擺脫愚蠢戰爭的想法，或許應該重新審視。

Right back with more Rachel Matto, everybody.

馬上回來，各位，繼續收看 Rachel Matto。