Name: 在複雜的囚犯交換中，被美國驅逐出境的委內瑞拉移民被送回委內瑞拉 | DW News (Venezuelan migrants deported from US are returned to Venezuela in complex prisoner swap | DW News)
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Hundreds of men accused of belonging to a Venezuelan criminal gang have been released from a high-security prison in El Salvador.

數百名被控屬於委內瑞拉幫派的男子已從薩爾瓦多一所戒備森嚴的監獄獲釋。

They've been sent to Venezuela in a prisoner swap between Caracas and Washington.

他們在加拉加斯和華盛頓的換俘行動中被送往委內瑞拉。

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Ten Americans held by Caracas were also released in the exchange.

加拉加斯關押的 10 名美國人也在交換中獲釋。

Deported from the United States and imprisoned in El Salvador, these Venezuelans are now back in their homeland.

這些委內瑞拉人被美國驅逐出境，關押在薩爾瓦多，現在他們回到了自己的祖國。

They were caught up in the Trump administration's immigration crackdown and spent several months in a maximum-security Salvadoran jail, accused of being gang members.

他們被捲入了特朗普政府的移民打擊行動，並被指控為幫派成員，在安全級別最高的薩爾瓦多監獄中度過了數月。

Venezuela's president celebrated the arrival of his citizens.

委內瑞拉總統慶祝其公民的到來。

The first plane has just landed, with the 252 Venezuelans rescued and freed from Nayib

第一架飛機剛剛降落，載著從納伊布獲救和釋放的 252 名委內瑞拉人

Bukele's concentration and torture camps in El Salvador.

布凱萊在薩爾瓦多的集中營和酷刑營。

There come our Venezuelan boys, who were kidnapped, disappeared, tortured.

我們的委內瑞拉男孩來了，他們被綁架、失蹤、遭受酷刑。

In exchange, Venezuela released 10 Americans.

作為交換，委內瑞拉釋放了 10 名美國人。

Here they are, being received by the Salvadoran president, who first proposed the swap months ago.

薩爾瓦多總統在這裡接見了他們。

We've been in these negotiations trying to set you, all of you free, but also 80 political prisoners from Venezuela.

我們一直在進行談判，試圖釋放你們，你們所有人，還有來自委內瑞拉的80名政治犯。

So over there, we secured the release of 80 political prisoners and all American citizens that were also held prisoners too.

在那裡，我們爭取到了 80 名政治犯和所有美國公民的獲釋。

The complex prisoner swap bolsters Bukele's image as one of Trump's closest allies in the region.

這次複雜的換俘行動提升了布凱萊作為特朗普在該地區最親密盟友之一的形象。

All right, well, for more on this topic, I'm joined here in the studio by our correspondent in Venezuela, Oskar Schlenker.

好了，關於這個話題的更多資訊，我們駐委內瑞拉的記者奧斯卡-施倫克（Oskar Schlenker）將在演播室與我一起分享。

This prisoner swap was quite complex, to say the least.

至少可以說，這次囚犯交換相當複雜。

How much influence does El Salvador's president Bukele have in the region now?

薩爾瓦多總統布凱萊目前在該地區的影響力有多大？

Well, he's actually been called an influencer in the past because he rose to power through the power of social media.

實際上，他過去曾被稱為 "有影響力的人"，因為他是通過社交媒體的力量崛起的。

And he has quite a bit of influence because a lot of people do find him as a revolutionary and turning El Salvador, which was ridden by violence from gang members, into one of the safest places in South America.

他有相當大的影響力，因為很多人都認為他是一位革命家，他把飽受幫派成員暴力蹂躪的薩爾瓦多變成了南美洲最安全的地方之一。

However, a lot of NGOs, journalists and activists have said that there have been serious human rights violations in El Secote, in this high level prison that he has constructed in El

然而，許多非政府組織、記者和活動家都說，在埃爾塞科特，在他在埃爾塞科特建造的這所高級監獄裡，存在著嚴重的侵犯人權行為。

Now, we're talking about a pretty sizable number of people here who are involved in this prisoner swap.

現在，我們談論的是一個相當大的數字 這裡的人参與了這個囚犯交換。

Who are the people in this prisoner swap?

Well, these 252 Venezuelans that were returned to Venezuela, among them seven children that were separated from their families that were deported.

這 252 名被送回委內瑞拉的委內瑞拉人中，有 7 名兒童與被驅逐出境的家人失散。

A lot of these 252 prisoners in El Salvador were not criminals, as they've been alleged to say.

在薩爾瓦多的這 252 名囚犯中，有很多人並不像他們所說的那樣是罪犯。

There's been tons of journalistic investigations and allegations from their lawyers and their families.

有大量的新聞調查以及他們的律師和家人的指控。

They were in an irregular, illegal situation with their immigration status in the US.

他們在美國的移民身份不合法，屬於非法移民。

But they weren't serious criminals, most of them.

但他們中的大多數人都不是重罪犯。

And the 10 Americans and US residents that were returned to the US were mostly also just tourists visiting Venezuela at the moment, and that were detained.

而被送回美國的 10 名美國人和美國居民，大部分也只是當時正在委內瑞拉旅遊的遊客，他們被拘留了。

So these people were pretty much political tokens used for these political negotiations that we've seen and that have been done very discreetly.

是以，這些人幾乎都是政治代幣，用於我們所看到的這些政治談判，而且這些談判都是非常謹慎地進行的。

But I also have to mention that at least 80 political prisoners in Venezuela are said to be freed.

但我還必須提到，據說委內瑞拉至少有 80 名政治犯獲得了自由。

我們只統計了其中的一小部分。

And there are still at least 800 political prisoners in Venezuela still in prison.

委內瑞拉仍有至少 800 名政治犯被關押在監獄中。

So there is still quite a way to go in this negotiation.

是以，談判還有很長的路要走。

Now, the Trump administration has taken a very different direction with its migration policy as we know and as we've spoken about.

現在，特朗普政府在移民政策上採取了截然不同的方向，這一點我們都知道，我們也談到過。

How is it seen in Venezuela, where you're based?

在您所在的委內瑞拉，人們是如何看待這一問題的？

Well, I think they see it as a very strong political tactic to stop immigration flowing into the US.

我認為，他們認為這是阻止移民流入美國的一種非常有力的政治手段。

And it has been successful in stopping, for example, the flow of immigrants going through the Darién, this very dangerous place that's a jungle that a lot of Venezuelans have been killed and has promoted human trafficking.

例如，它成功地阻止了通過達連河的移民潮，這個非常危險的地方是一個叢林，許多委內瑞拉人在那裡被殺害，並助長了人口販運。

But at the same time, the way that these deportations are being made do really raise a lot of questions about human rights violations and how Venezuelans are treated.

但與此同時，這些驅逐出境的方式確實引發了很多關於侵犯人權和如何對待委內瑞拉人的問題。

And also the reputation of Venezuelans in the US has been dramatically impacted by the way these deportations have been going on.

此外，委內瑞拉人在美國的聲譽也受到了這些驅逐方式的嚴重影響。

Yeah, let's talk about those Venezuelans actually in the United States, you know, how the impact on them psychologically must be quite profound, right?

是的，讓我們來談談那些真正在美國的委內瑞拉人，你知道，這對他們的心理影響一定很深吧？

Most of them that are in the legal status or are residents of the US voted for Trump because they thought Trump would be sort of a savior or somebody that would really be against the Maduro administration.

他們中的大多數人都有合法身份，或者是美國居民，之所以把票投給特朗普，是因為他們認為特朗普會成為救世主，或者是真正反對馬杜羅政府的人。

But what we've seen is that there have been negotiations behind the scenes, very discreetly, with the Maduro administration to do these prisoner swaps.

但我們看到的是，馬杜羅政府一直在幕後進行談判，非常謹慎地進行這些囚犯交換。

And also, that's been one of the communities that has been mostly attacked by the Trump administration as being part of this Tren de Agua gang members and deported to El Salvador, which raises a lot of questions and public backlash because of how it's been done.

同時，這也是被特朗普政府攻擊最多的社區之一，因為他們是特倫德阿瓜幫成員的一部分，並被驅逐到薩爾瓦多，這引起了很多問題和公眾的反彈，因為他們是這樣做的。

Oscar, it's great to have your insights and great to have you here in Berlin in the studio and not talk to you from across the other side of the Atlantic.

奧斯卡，很高興能聽到你的見解，也很高興你能來到柏林的演播室，而不是在大西洋彼岸與你交談。

Oscar Schlenker, DW's correspondent in Venezuela.

Oscar Schlenker，DW 駐委內瑞拉記者。