Name: 丹-艾布拉姆斯MAGA 永遠不會得到他們想要的愛潑斯坦的答案 (Dan Abrams: MAGA is never going to get the Epstein answers they want)
Uploaded: 2025-07-18T17:00:20.000Z
Duration: 7 min 39 s

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If you wanted to stop people from talking about these Epstein files, Trump blaming it on his political enemies, claiming that it's boring, there's nothing to see here, and then Pam Bondi just trying to dodge it, none of that would make all of this go away.

如果你想阻止人們談論這些愛潑斯坦的文件，特朗普將其歸咎於他的政敵，聲稱這很無聊，沒什麼好看的，然後帕姆-邦迪只是試圖迴避它，這些都不會讓這一切消失。

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I mean, look, they're not helping themselves, but let's be fair, they're being asked about it again and again and again and again.

我的意思是，聽著，他們是在幫自己，但讓我們公平地說，他們一而再再而三地被問到這個問題。

And that's understandable, right, considering all the circumstances here.

考慮到當時的情況，這是可以理解的。

But I don't think no matter what happens here, they're ever going to get, the MAGA base that wants this, is ever going to get the answers they want, right?

但我認為，無論發生什麼，他們都不會得到，想要這樣做的 MAGA 基地永遠不會得到他們想要的答案，對嗎？

They want names and they want a client list, right?

他們想要名字和客戶名單，對嗎？

我們已經知道黑皮書是什麼了。

The black book is the list of the victims.

We know he had a black book and it was a black book of the victims, okay?

我們知道他有一本黑皮書 是一本受害者的黑皮書，明白嗎？

Then you want to talk about another list.

There's friends of Jeffrey Epstein's, there's associates, there are flight logs.

有傑弗裡・愛潑斯坦的朋友 有同夥 有飛行記錄

The problem with that is Donald Trump is on the flight logs.

問題是唐納德-特朗普也在飛行日誌上。

It doesn't mean he did anything wrong, but the reality is if you want to say, I want to see every flight log, we know Donald Trump was flying with his kids, his infant at one point from Teterboro, New Jersey to Florida on Jeffrey Epstein's plane.

這並不意味著他做錯了什麼，但現實是，如果你想說，我想看到每一個飛行日誌，我們知道唐納德-特朗普與他的孩子，他的嬰兒在一個點上從新澤西州Teterboro飛往佛羅里達州傑弗裡-愛潑斯坦的飛機。

That's not helpful to Donald Trump politically.

這在政治上對唐納德-特朗普毫無幫助。

And as a result, if they're going to demand that everything connected with Epstein be released, it will include some stuff about Donald Trump.

是以，如果他們要求公開與愛潑斯坦有關的一切資訊，其中就會包括一些與唐納德-特朗普有關的內容。

But you don't know that because first of all, we don't know what the victim testimony is.

但你不知道，因為首先，我們不知道受害者的證詞是什麼。

The part that I don't understand is Ghislaine Maxwell is sitting in prison right now for trafficking women, young girls, excuse me, that were not women.

我不明白的是，吉斯蘭-馬克斯韋爾現在就因為販賣婦女、年輕女孩，不好意思，不是婦女而被關在監獄裡。

Did she just traffic them to Epstein or did she traffic, or did she traffic them to other people?

她是隻把它們賣給了愛潑斯坦 還是賣給了其他人？

Let's not pretend we don't know anything about the case.

我們不要假裝對案件一無所知。

We know about the civil cases against her.

我們知道哪些被刪節了，哪些沒有。

Well, first of all, what was redacted is what we need to know.

首先，我們需要知道的是被刪節的內容。

We certainly don't know what some of these girls had to say about who they potentially slept with.

我們當然不知道其中一些女孩是怎麼說她們可能和誰上過床的。

And we don't actually, because we don't know if there's video of this.

實際上我們不知道，因為我們不知道是否有視頻。

This is like saying like, oh, you know, there might be this and there might be that.  We don't know.

這就好比說，哦，你知道，可能有這個，也可能有那個。  我們不知道。

There might be, but there's no evidence of this.

The point that Dan is making, the underlying point that Dan is making is that the secrecy is to protect Trump.

丹提出的觀點是，保密是為了保護特朗普。

我的意思是，我不認為這是祕密。

So you think that the 200 young girls who testified, who, in Florida, for example, in Florida it was 200 victims or survivors.

所以你認為那 200 名作證的年輕女孩，例如在佛羅里達州，是 200 名受害者或倖存者。

You don't think that those young girls slept with men?

你不認為那些年輕女孩和男人睡過覺嗎？

You don't think that those men were doing incredibly bad, wrong things to them?

你不認為那些人對他們做了令人難以置信的壞事和錯事嗎？

So there must have been multiple assailants, right?

所以一定有多名襲擊者，對嗎？

The ones who have spoken out have talked about the people involved.

發表過意見的人都談到了相關人員。

How do we know that there were not, I think this is the whole point, right?

我想這就是問題的關鍵所在，對嗎？

The whole point is people want to know if there were other people.

關鍵是人們想知道是否還有其他人。

If the files substantiate what you're saying, that there are not other people, that's what people want to know.

如果檔案證實了你所說的，沒有其他人，這就是人們想知道的。

And here's where Nikki Haley weighed in on this.

尼基-黑莉（Nikki Haley）在此發表了自己的看法。

She says, release the Epstein files, this is Nikki Haley, and let the chips fall where they may.

她說，公佈愛潑斯坦的檔案，我是尼基-海利，讓籌碼落在他們身上。

This is why people don't trust government.

這就是人們不信任政府的原因。

You can never go wrong with being transparent, redact the victim's names, but release the rest.

透明化永遠不會出錯，刪去受害者的名字，但公佈其他資訊。

I mean, Scott, this is the right that the deep state, they don't trust the government, they don't trust the people at the FBI and whatever.

我是說，斯科特，這是深層國家的權利，他們不相信政府，不相信聯邦調查局的人，也不相信任何東西。

And they thought that when Trump got into office, he would address that by just releasing what can be released, let the chips fall where they may, and he's not doing it.

他們認為，特朗普上臺後，會通過公佈可以公佈的資訊來解決這個問題，讓籌碼隨風飄散，但他並沒有這麼做。

Well, today, I heard him say, anything credible, sure, let's release it.

今天，我聽到他說，任何可信的東西，當然，讓我們發佈它。

Now, the question is, what can the attorney general release and what is not releasable?

現在的問題是，總檢察長可以公佈哪些資訊，哪些資訊不能公佈？

It's opaque to me, what they have and then what falls into those two buckets.

對我來說，他們有什麼，然後哪些屬於這兩類，都是不透明的。

Number two, it looked to me like today the president was sending a signal, like, okay, fine.

第二，在我看來，總統今天發出了一個信號：好吧，好吧。

If there's something that's releasable and it's credible and it doesn't hurt any survivors and it doesn't implicate people on second and third order hearsay.

如果有什麼東西是可以公佈的，是可信的，不會傷害任何倖存者，也不會牽連到二階和三階道聽途說的人。

The attorney general doesn't want to release any of it at all.

總檢察長根本不想公佈任何資訊。

But that to me is part of the challenge, to be honest, and I know this doesn't follow the echo chambers of, you know, cable news, but quite honestly, the people who believe in Pizzagate are not only driving what our government focuses on, but what legacy media focuses on.

但老實說，這對我來說是挑戰的一部分，我知道這並不像有線電視新聞的迴音室那樣，但老實說，相信 "披薩門 "的人不僅在推動我們的政府關注什麼，也在推動傳統媒體關注什麼。

I've seen the breaking news banner all day about the Epstein files, this Epstein files that.

我整天都看到關於愛潑斯坦檔案的爆炸性新聞標題 這個愛潑斯坦檔案那個

And if we are so focused on sexual abuse, I just think the whole reason this became a big deal is because people, his base thought the Clintons were involved.

如果我們如此關注性虐待問題，我認為這之所以成為一件大事，是因為人們和他的支持者認為克林頓夫婦與此事有關。

是以，這對他們來說就像血液一樣。

And the tofu that it actually is right now, that Pam Bondi is like, oh, never mind, let's everybody move on.

帕姆-邦迪（Pam Bondi）就像豆腐一樣，"哦，沒關係，讓我們繼續前進吧"。

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丹-艾布拉姆斯MAGA 永遠不會得到他們想要的愛潑斯坦的答案 (Dan Abrams: MAGA is never going to get the Epstein answers they want)

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