Name: 「令人震驚的傲慢！」- Clarissa Ward 談五角大廈輕描淡寫的戰爭暴力美化！ ("A Staggering Lack Of Humility" - Clarissa Ward On The Pentagon’s Glib Glorification Of War Violence)
Uploaded: 2026-03-16T16:57:16.000Z
Duration: 5 min 3 s

We're back with CNN's Clarissa Ward from Erbil, Iraq.

我們又請到 CNN 的 Clarissa Ward 在伊拉克 Erbil 為我們報導。

There was some talk about the Kurds taking up arms and joining this fight to help overthrow the Iranian regime.

有些人說庫德族會拿起武器加入這場推翻伊朗政權的戰鬥。

I'm really glad you asked, because I know.

我很高興你問這個問題，因為我知道。

I think sometimes people are too shy to ask because they're like, I know.

我覺得有時候大家會不好意思問，因為他們會想說，我知道。

I should really know more about the Kurds.

The Kurds are the largest ethnic group in the world without a state.

庫德族是世界上沒有國家、最大的族群。

They are spread out across a number of countries, but primarily Iran, Iraq, Turkey, and Syria.

他們散佈在好幾個國家，但主要是在伊朗、伊拉克、土耳其和敘利亞。

And I guess the first thing to say is that the Kurds, unsurprisingly, therefore, are not a monolith.

我猜首先要說的是，庫德族人，不出所料，是以，並不是鐵板一塊。

And there are many different Kurdish political and fighting factions spread throughout the region.

而且該地區散佈著許多不同的庫德族政治派系和戰鬥派系。

And at one stage, the US Was actively considering, and

而且在某個階段，美國曾積極考慮，而且

indeed, the CIA had already begun supporting some of the Iranian Kurdish opposition groups that are based here in Iraqi Kurdistan, which then was really creating a huge amount of tension here in Iraqi Kurdistan because the Iranians responded by saying, we're going to flatten the whole of Iraqi Kurdistan if a single fighter crosses that border.

事實上，中央情報局已經開始支持一些以伊拉克庫德斯坦為基地的伊朗庫德族反對派團體，這在當時確實給伊拉克庫德斯坦造成了巨大的緊張，因為伊朗人回應說，如果有一個戰士越過邊境，我們就要夷平整個伊拉克庫德斯坦。

And then President Trump changed his mind again.

And for now, that seems to have kind of died away as an option for the moment.

而目前，這似乎已經作為一個選項暫時消失了。

I imagine that as a war correspondent for many years, part of the job is to convey to those of us who aren't there the tragedy and the horror that is war.

我想身為一位長期的戰地記者，這份工作的一部分就是向我們這些不在現場的人傳達戰爭的悲劇和恐怖。

And that requires, for a certain level, not being desensitized to it yourself.

而這需要你在某種程度上，自己不能對這些感到麻木不仁。

And that must be harder at some times, especially when now violence is being so celebrated in odd ways by our own Pentagon press office, they recently put out a video where they use clips from Call of Duty to do sort of a triumphal celebration of the destruction of Iran.

而且在某些時候，這一定更難，特別是現在我們的五角大廈新聞辦公室以奇怪的方式慶祝暴力，他們最近發布了一個影片，使用 Call of Duty 的片段來慶祝伊朗的毀滅。

As someone who's been to so many of these conflicts and seen the reality for humans on the ground, what's your reaction to that sort of the glitz and the glamour they're trying to put on this violence?

身為一個經歷過這麼多衝突，親眼見過地面上人們真實處境的人，你對他們試圖為這種暴力披上的光鮮亮麗有什麼反應？

I mean, obviously, as a journalist, I'm probably not supposed to say this, but

我的意思是，很明顯地，身為記者，我大概不該說這話，但

I think it belies a staggering lack of humility.

我認為這顯示了驚人的缺乏謙遜。

And frankly, it doesn't really matter so much what I think or feel about it.

坦白說，我對此的想法或感受其實沒那麼重要。

It matters how people hear feel about it.

重要的是人們對此有什麼感受。

It matters how people in Iran feel about it.

重要的是伊朗人民對此有什麼感受。

And I think it just plays into the worst stereotypes about America and how America wields its power and what America cares about.

我認為這正好印證了關於美國最糟糕的刻板印象，以及美國如何運用權力，以及美國關心什麼。

And for so many in this region who have just felt dehumanized and humiliated for decades now.

對於這個地區許多幾十年來一直感到被非人化和羞辱的人們來說。

沒錯，這真的，這讓人有點招架不住。

It's hard to keep your attention on so many conflicts at once.

要同時關注這麼多衝突，真的不容易。

You spoke to Zelensky while you were there.

I learned that there's not just a bit of bitterness, but

我學到的是，不只是有點苦澀，而是

like genuine hurt and confusion as to why the United States went to being the biggest champion and supporter of Ukraine, to not seemingly being terribly engaged on this issue.

真的有那種受傷和困惑，不明白為什麼美國從曾經是烏克蘭最主要的擁護者和支持者，變成現在似乎對這個議題不太投入。

And I learned that people have a breaking point.

You know, they just lived through a winter where it was unbelievably freezing, sub zero temperatures every day, Russians bombing the energy infrastructure every day, blackouts, no heat.

你知道，他們剛經歷了一個冬天，每天都冷到不行，零度以下，俄羅斯每天都在轟炸能源基礎設施，停電，沒有暖氣。

I spent an afternoon going with a young single mother who has to walk her 3 year old daughter up and down 10 flights of stairs every day because there's no power and the elevator doesn't work.

我花了一個下午，跟一位年輕的單親媽媽一起，她每天必須抱著她三歲的女兒走上走下十層樓，因為沒有電，電梯也壞了。

And I spoke to a lot of people who said, you know, I don't really ever want to hear the word resilient again.

而且我跟很多人聊過，他們說，你知道嗎，我真的再也不想聽到「堅韌」這個詞了。

I know it's early in the morning over there and obviously, please stay safe.

我知道那邊現在是清晨，當然，請務必注意安全。

And we look forward to all your coverage on CNN where you can watch Clarissa's coverage from Iraq.

我們很期待你在 CNN 的所有報導，在那裡你可以看到 Clarissa 在伊拉克的報導。

我們馬上回來，請鎖定 Pete Hol。