Name: 墨西哥大毒梟「矮子」梅喬身亡引爆暴力衝突！前緝毒局官員深入剖析現況！ (Cartel leader "El Mencho" killed, sparking Mexico violence; former DEA official explains situation)
Uploaded: 2026-02-23T21:42:09.000Z
Duration: 10 min 21 s

Mike, what's happening in Mexico right now?

Mike，現在墨西哥發生了什麼事？

Well, this morning, the Mexican army located the Messio Seguera Cervantes, better known as El Mencho, the leader of the Jalisco Generation cartel and the municipality of Talpa de Allende.

嗯，今天早上，墨西哥軍方在 Talpa de Allende 這個地方，找到了 Messio Seguera Cervantes，也就是大家比較熟知的 Jalisco Generation cartel 領袖 El Mencho。

This is where he spends a lot of time and where he hides.

他很多時候都在這裡，也藏匿在這裡。

So this was one of the most significant actions undertaken in the history of drug trafficking, because we're talking about someone that is almost at the same level as Chapo Guzman and El Mayo Sambada.

所以這是毒品交易史上最重要的行動之一，因為我們在談論的是一個幾乎跟 Chapo Guzman 和 El Mayo Sambada 同等級的人物。

He's one of the biggest drug capos in the history of drug trafficking around the globe.

他是全球毒品交易史上數一數二的毒梟。

And his cartel operated very much like a paramilitary force.

他的販毒集團的運作方式，非常像一支準軍事部隊。

And they operated in about six of the seven continents around the world.

他們的勢力遍及全球七大洲中的六洲。

But not only were they involved and cocaine heroin trafficking, but

但他們不只涉及古柯鹼和海洛因的交易，

they were also major players in the traffic of synthetic drugs such as fentanyl methamphetamine.

他們也是芬太尼、安非他命等合成藥物交易的主要參與者。

They imported precursor chemicals not only from China, but also from India through the port of Lazaro Cardinal.

他們從中國，還有透過 Lazaro Cardinal 這個港口從印度進口前驅化學品。

But they also diversified their criminal activities to include the penetration of the avocado industry, the lemon lime industry, the theft of lumber, penetration of the fishing industry, and

但他們也將犯罪活動多元化，滲透酪梨產業、檸檬萊姆產業，竊取木材，滲透漁業，

then they were also involved in the theft of petroleum from Pemex pipelines.

然後他們也參與了從 Pemex 管道竊取石油的活動。

Mike, can you explain to me clearly this was a Mexican led operation, but what role did U.S.

Mike，你能清楚地解釋一下，這是墨西哥主導的行動，但美國

情報機構在這次行動中扮演了什麼角色？

Or what role does U.S. intelligence have, typically in an operation such as this?

或者說，美國情報機構在這類行動中通常扮演什麼角色？

Sometimes we have law enforcement agencies that operate in Mexico, such as dea, FBI and others.

有時候我們會有執法機構在墨西哥境內行動，像是 DEA、FBI 等單位。

And in Mexico, we have a huge apparatus of informants that we've been able to cultivate through decades.

在墨西哥，我們透過數十年來培養的龐大線人網絡。

That information will now go to the Mexican authorities, and then they may act on that information.

這些情報就會交給墨西哥當局，然後他們可能會根據這些情報採取行動。

But in this case, I think that the vast majority of the intelligence came from Mexico security apparatus.

不過這次，我認為絕大部分的情報都來自墨西哥的安全體系。

And they did a magnificent job in executing the operation because El Mencho had rings of security, you know, literally an army of security that protected him.

他們執行這次行動做得非常出色，因為 El Mencho 有層層安全保護，你知道的， literalmente 就像一支軍隊在保護他。

So I think that it was a combination of ground forces and then also supported by air support in the form of helicopters armed with high caliber machine guns, such as 50 caliber machine guns.

所以，我認為這是地面部隊的結合，然後也得到了空中支援，像是配備了高口徑機槍的直升機，例如 50 口徑機槍。

The response by the cartel has been violent.

這個販毒集團的回應非常暴力。

Can you talk about what we're seeing in Mexico right now?

你能談談我們現在在墨西哥看到的情況嗎？

Right now we're seeing reprisals on the part of the Jalisco new generation cartel.

現在我們看到的是 Jalisco Generation cartel 的報復行動。

They are burning buses, they're shutting down roads, not only in Jalisco, but Michoacan, Colima, Tamaulipas, Guanajuato, and

他們燒毀巴士，封鎖道路，不僅在 Jalisco，還有 Michoacan、Colima、Tamaulipas、Guanajuato，還有

And what they're trying to do is show that they are still a force to be reckoned with.

他們試圖證明自己仍然是一個不容小覷的勢力。

That, you know, this was not a lethal blow to them.

這對他們來說，並不是致命的一擊。

So that's what they're trying to do, is show that they're still, you know, in charge.

所以他們想做的就是展現他們仍然是，你知道的，有影響力的人。

Oh, we've seen that operations at certain airports have been interrupted.

喔，我們有看到某些機場的運作受到幹擾。

Have you heard anything about that or know anything about that?

你有聽說過這件事，或者知道些什麼嗎？

Yeah, there's some airports that have basically limited operations.

對，有些機場的運作基本上已經受到限制了。

Because you'll recall on the second capture of Ovidio Guzman, the cartel went to, for example, to the airport in Culacan and started shooting at commercial airlines landing at the airport.

因為你可能會記得，在第二次逮捕 Ovidio Guzman 時，這個販毒集團就去了，例如 Culacan 的機場，並開始朝著降落在機場的商業班機開槍。

So they're afraid that they may attack commercial airliners and put people in jeopardy if they don't shut down the operation.

所以他們擔心，如果不停運作，他們可能會攻擊商業班機，危及民眾安全。

所以這基本上就是他們正在做的事。

The magnitude of this event is worldwide.

The magnitude of the killing of El Mencho is going to have worldwide impact because El Mencho was one of the biggest drug wars of all time and definitely much more violent than Chapo Guzman, than Mayo Sambada.

El Mencho 被殺的規模將會對全球產生影響，因為 El Mencho 是有史以來最大的毒梟之一，而且絕對比 Chapo Guzman 和 El Mayo Sambada 更暴力。

So this sends a very strong message that the cartels in Mexico can no longer operate with impunity and, you know, complete, you know.

所以這發出了一個非常強烈的訊息，墨西哥的販毒集團不能再為所欲為了。

This sends a message to the cartels that they can no longer operate with impunity and violating with.

這向販毒集團傳達了一個訊息，他們不能再為所欲為了，肆意違法。

You know, I've been giving so many interviews, my brother, but let me.

你知道，我接受了這麼多採訪，我的兄弟，但讓我說。

This, this points to the fact and that the Sinaloa Cartel, the Jalisco Generation Cartel, and

這，這指出了這樣一個事實，辛那羅亞販毒集團、Jalisco Generation cartel，

other powerful cartels that operate in Latin America can no longer operate with the impunity of the past, that they can no longer just violate at will the law, the law and order, and

以及其他在拉丁美洲活動的強大販毒集團，再也不能像過去那樣為所欲為了，他們再也不能隨心所欲地違反法律、破壞法紀，

But because this was a very, very effective takedown of one of the biggest leaders, and

但因為這是對其中一位最大頭目的非常非常有效的打擊，而且

it was done, you know, based on the intelligence that they conducted primarily.

這是基於他們主要進行的情報工作。

Are we going to see more violence before things calm down?

在事情平靜下來之前，我們會看到更多暴力嗎？

I think that we'll see a little bit of violence, but

我認為我們會看到一點暴力，但是

here's the thing, is that I think Mexico is going to continue the attack not only on the Jalisco Generation Cartel, but

關鍵是，我認為墨西哥將會繼續攻擊，不只針對 Jalisco Generation cartel，也針對

There's a difference between El Mencho and Mayo Zambada and Chapu Usman.

El Mencho、El Mayo Sambada 和 Chapo Guzman 之間是有差異的。

The big difference is that Mayo Sambada and Chapu Usman allowed independent actions to be taken by their underlings.

最大的差異是 El Mayo Sambada 和 Chapo Guzman 允許他們的下屬採取獨立行動。

He was very much like a dictator of a country, in this case of a cartel, where he controlled every operational aspect of the Jalisco New Generation cartel.

他非常像一個國家的獨裁者，在這個例子中，是卡特爾的獨裁者，他掌控著 Jalisco New Generation cartel 的每一個營運環節。

I'm talking about money laundering, talking about logistics, I'm talking about drug production, I'm talking about every single activity.

我說的是洗錢、物流、毒品生產，我說的是每一項活動。

So whoever comes in behind him is not going to be able to do that.

所以，在他之後接手的人將無法做到這一點。

And clearly there must have been some sort of informant, is what I'm gathering from what you've said.

很明顯，一定有某種線人，這是我從你說的話中得到的。

In order to get to him, to get through all these layers, there had to be somebody with insider knowledge for this operation to be successful.

為了抓到他，要穿透所有這些層層關卡，必須有人擁有內部消息，這次行動才能成功。

Well, here's the thing, is that Mexico does a pretty good job, especially the army and the Navy, of collecting intelligence.

嗯，事情是這樣的，墨西哥做得相當不錯，特別是陸軍和海軍，在收集情報方面。

Even though it's illegal, they do conduct extralegal wiretaps.

即使這是非法的，他們確實會進行法外竊聽。

And then they also have established close ties with a lot of the population, which they didn't have in the past.

而且他們也和許多民眾建立了緊密的聯繫，這在過去是沒有的。

So now the citizens of Mexico feel more confident and sharing information that they have with the armed forces of Mexico.

所以現在墨西哥的民眾對墨西哥的軍隊更有信心，也更願意分享他們掌握的資訊。

But yes, it had to be intelligence that was collected, and

但沒錯，這確實是靠情報收集，

the Mexican army and others acted on it with great efficiency.

而且墨西哥軍隊和其他單位也有效率地採取了行動。

I think that the Trump administration has been attacking Mexico, saying they're not doing enough.

我認為川普政府一直在攻擊墨西哥，說他們做得不夠。

And I think that this action contradicts everything that he said about Mexico.

我認為這次行動完全推翻了他對墨西哥說過的所有話。