Name: 喬登·彼得森：「我不是反女性主義者」｜問答 (Jordan Peterson: "I'm Not Anti-Feminist" | Q&A)
Uploaded: 2026-02-23T01:38:33.000Z
Duration: 4 min 28 s

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The first thing I would say is that I'm not anti feminist per se.

我想說的第一點是，我本身並不是反對女性主義者。

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I mean, I think the idea that the world would benefit from the movement of talent from both sexes into the workplace as rapidly as possible is something that anyone with any sense should share, given the rather the rarity of talent and the necessity for utilizing it.

我的意思是，我認為，考量到人才的稀缺性以及善用人才的必要性，任何有常識的人都應該認同，讓兩性人才盡快進入職場對世界是有益的。

I do stand by my original statement, though, that there's a brand of more radical feminism that insists that our culture is best characterized as an oppressive patriarchy.

不過，我還是堅持我原本的說法，就是有一種比較激進的女性主義，堅持認為我們的文化最適合被描述為一個壓迫性的父權制。

And I think that first of all, that that's an appalling sociological doctrine, and

我認為，首先，這是一種令人震驚的社會學教義，

I think it has very negative psychological effects and they won't be limited to men.

而且我認為它會帶來非常負面的心理影響，而且不只會影響男性。

Because if it's true that there's something toxic, let's say, about masculinity per se, what that will inevitably mean is that as women adopt more masculine roles traditionally, what is that toxicity somehow going to go away?

因為如果真的有什麼東西，像是男性氣質本身有毒，那這就意味著，當女性採用更多傳統上男性的角色時，那種毒性又會跑到哪裡去呢？

But that's a straw man, because no one says there's anything toxic about masculinity per se.

但那是一個稻草人論證，因為沒有人說男性氣質本身有毒。

That's a phrase that's used about forms of masculinity that are harmful to men and women.

那是一種用來形容對男性和女性都有害的男性氣質的說法。

You must know that I read the American Psychological association guidelines for the treatment of boys and men, and

你一定知道我讀過美國心理學會關於男孩和男性治療的指南，而且

I know perfectly well that this is no straw man.

And it's not only devoted towards what you might describe as the more aggressive ends of masculine behavior, it's aimed at masculinity in a much broader.

而且它不只針對你可能形容為比較具攻擊性的男性行為，而是針對更廣泛的男性氣質。

There's a much broader range of accusations that are underlying, that are under the surface than that.

有比這更廣泛的指控潛藏在表面之下。

And so I don't see in what way at all that it's a strong.

所以我完全不明白它怎麼會是強烈反對。

Okay, I'm just going to pause that argument and go to Catherine McGregor.

好的，我先暫停這個論點，來看看 Catherine McGregor。

And Catherine, I mean, you've lived on both sides of the gender fence, so what are your thoughts on these issues?

Catherine，你的意思是，你經歷過性別界線的兩端，所以你對這些議題有什麼看法？

And just go back to the question that was asked.

然後回到剛剛被問到的那個問題。

I don't know whether that qualifies me or disqualifies me, frankly.

說實話，我不知道這是否符合我的資格，或者使我不符合資格。

I ratted on the team, but not for any sociological reason.

我出賣了團隊，但不是出於任何社會學教義的原因。

我猜我們可能會處理這個問題。

But look, I'm not entirely out of sympathy with Jordan's critique.

但你看，我並非完全不同意 Jordan 的批評。

I'm the oldest person on this panel by you, and

我是這個小組裡最年長的人，而

in my lifetime, I've seen rolling institutional crises through the West.

在我有生之年，我見證了西方世界一連串的制度性危機。

You know, the Great American Settlement based on Bretton woods and NATO and the United nations and so on is fraying globally, an area that I can talk about with some authority.

你知道，以佈列敦森林體系、北約、聯合國等為基礎的美國偉大協議，在全球範圍內正在瓦解，這是我能有些權威地談論的領域。

We're seeing a dissolving global order now with the rise of two autocratic totalitarian capitalist states, which is replicated in the conditions of the 1930.

我們現在看到全球秩序正在瓦解，崛起了兩個獨裁極權資本主義國家，這重現了 1930 年代的狀況。

And I gather we're not doing the geo strategic stuff, but I think it's very alarming.

我猜我們不會談地緣戰略的東西，但我認為這非常令人擔憂。

When Robert F Kennedy, who was my political hero, was running for the presidency of the United States in 1968, he addressed disenfranchised African Americans who were wearing the backlash from many white men who were losing their jobs or perceiving that they were losing their jobs.

當我敬佩的政治英雄 Robert F Kennedy 於 1968 年競選美國總統時，他向那些被剝奪公民權的非裔美國人發表演講，他們正承受著許多失去工作或感覺自己失去工作的白人男性的強烈反對。

The deindustrialisation of the west as jobs are exported to the developing world.

西方的去工業化，工作機會外移到開發中國家。

He said, when you remove from a man the right to stand before his family as a breadwinner and people will say that's patriotic.

他說，當你剝奪一個男人作為一家之主的權利時，人們會說這是愛國的。

這就是你的一分鐘，順帶一提。

But the removal of meaningful work amongst especially unskilled men has a political consequence and it's been washing through the American system since 1980 with the Reagan Democrats, the fraying of the New Deal coalition.

但特別是對於沒有技能的男性來說，有意義的工作消失，會帶來政治後果，自1980年以來，隨著雷根民主黨人和新政聯盟的瓦解，這種情況一直在美國系統中蔓延。

I don't entirely agree with Jordan's analysis, but

the problem can't be gainsaid and 3 million books later in 50 languages or whatever it is.

這個問題不容否認，而且已經出了300萬本，翻譯成50種語言，或 whatever。

I bought your book, by the way, and you're outselling Shane Warne.

我買了你的書，順帶一提，而且你的銷量超過了Shane Warne。

Now, that's a culturally specific reference that delights me in two ways, because in Australian cricket, no one has more blood, bleached blonde hair or has had more work done than I.

現在，這是一個文化上很特別的說法，讓我從兩個方面感到高興，因為在澳洲板球界，沒有人比我擁有更多漂白過的金髮，或做過更多醫美。

我們應該把這個發布到Twitter上。

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