Name: 五角大廈：基督國家主義者能在此佈道嗎？ (Panel: Should Christian nationalists preach at the Pentagon?)
Uploaded: 2026-02-20T17:14:16.000Z
Duration: 9 min 15 s

Tonight, Pete Hegseth is again facing scrutiny after inviting a self described Christian nationalist to deliver a prayer service at the Pentagon.

今晚，Pete Hegseth 又一次面臨檢視，因為他邀請了一位自稱基督教民族主義者到國防部進行祈禱儀式。

Pastor Doug Wilson is the co founder of a growing network of churches that Pete Hegseth is a part of.

Doug Wilson 牧師是 Pete Hegseth 所屬一個日益壯大的教會網絡的聯合創始人。

He believes that women should not be allowed to vote, that some slave owners were decent human beings, and

他認為女性不應該被允許投票，一些奴隸主是體面的人，而且

that society should be governed by a strict interpretation of biblical law which where homosexuality for example, is a crime.

社會應該由嚴格解釋聖經律法來治理，例如同性戀是犯罪。

Now, Wilson gave a 15 minute sermon at the Pentagon's auditorium which was broadcast on the department's internal TV network and confirmed by the Defense Department on social media.

現在，Wilson 在國防部的演講廳進行了15分鐘的佈道，該佈道透過國防部的內部電視網絡播出，並得到國防部在社群媒體上的證實。

His sermon focused on putting Christ Jesus first.

他的佈道重點是將基督耶穌放在首位。

I guess he calls himself a paleo confederate something or another.

我猜他稱自己為 paleo confederate 之類的。

But this is a man who, in addition to everything that we just talked about, I mean, he has gone to great lengths to explain why slavery was not as bad as people make it seem.

但這個人，除了我們剛才談到的所有事情之外，我是說，他已經竭盡全力解釋為什麼奴隸制不像人們說的那麼糟糕。

He said slavery as it existed in the south was not an adversarial relationship with pervasive racial animosity because of its dominantly patriarchal character.

他說，南方存在的奴隸制並非一種對抗性關係，因為其家長制特徵，所以沒有普遍的種族敵意。

It was a relationship based on mutual affection and confidence.

這是一種基於相互的情感和信任的關係。

There has never been a multiracial society which has existed with such mutual intimacy and harmony in the history of the world.

世界上從未有過一個多元種族社會，能夠在相互的親密和諧中存在。

這是，這是引述，韋斯特博士。

Pastor Wilson, I'm praying for him in the name of my sweet Jesus, you know what I mean?

威爾遜牧師，我奉我甜美的耶穌之名為他禱告，你懂我的意思嗎？

But Martin King and Reverend Jesse Jackson, they, they were followers of Jesus and they knew in fact that Jesus has always been used and deployed in such a way that it accommodates the empire.

但馬丁·路德·金和傑西·傑克森牧師，他們，他們是耶穌的追隨者，他們知道事實上耶穌一直被這樣使用和部署，以適應帝國。

Organized hatred, weaponized greed, institutionalized indifference to the weak.

有組織的仇恨、武器化的貪婪、對弱者的制度性冷漠。

That's the history of the institutional church at its worst.

這就是制度化教會最糟糕的歷史。

Now, those of us who are Christians hold on to the prophetic version.

現在，我們這些基督徒堅持預言性的版本。

So I would want to ask, my dear Pastor Wilson, who was Jesus really to you?

所以我想問，我親愛的威爾遜牧師，耶穌對你來說究竟是誰？

Do you think that loving thy neighbor leads toward saying those kind of things about precious black people and enslaved Africans?

你覺得愛你的鄰居，會讓你對寶貴的黑人還有被奴役的非洲人說那種話嗎？

What would he say if somebody came along and said in the name of Jesus, only women can vote, but

如果有人打著耶穌的名號說，只有女人可以投票，但是

男人不能投票，耶穌會怎麼說？

Do unto others as you would have others to do unto you.

And so in that regard, this is just not Christianity, the Judaic forms, prophetic Heschel forms of Judaism that conform to empire, white supremacy, whatever it is.

所以在這方面，這不只是基督教，還有猶太教的各種形式，先知赫舍爾的猶太教形式，它們都迎合了帝國、白人至上主義，不管是什麼。

Muslims look at Iran right now, the heroic struggles of everyday Iranian people against what?

穆斯林看看現在的伊朗，看看伊朗人民每天的英勇奮鬥，對抗的是什麼？

Against versions of Islam that Malcolm X would bring major critique to bear because it, what, it represses everyday people.

對抗的是馬爾科姆·艾克斯會嚴厲批評的伊斯蘭教版本，因為它，它壓迫了普通民眾。

So that in that regard, you know, I'm not surprised but we just have to fight it and not be so overwhelmed by it.

所以在這方面，你知道，我並不意外，但我們就是得去對抗它，不要被它壓倒。

I mean, look, we all know that that's out there.

我的意思是，你看，我們都知道那種情況存在。

Christian nationalism is not a new concept.

基督教民族主義不是一個新概念。

And in fact, these types of pastors who have been defending Jim Crow and slavery have been around since the dawn of Jim Crow and slavery.

事實上，那些辯護吉姆·克勞法和奴隸制的牧師，從吉姆·克勞法和奴隸制的開端就一直存在了。

But for him to be invited to the Pentagon in the United States government, I don't understand how that can even happen.

但他竟然能受邀到美國政府的國防部，我真不明白這怎麼可能發生。

So you're not forced to attend it if you work at the Pentagon.

所以你在國防部工作，又不是被迫一定要參加。

They bring in all kinds of different religious leaders.

他們會邀請各種不同的宗教領袖。

They have Buddhists, they have Jewish people, they have Hindus.

他們有佛教徒，有猶太人，有印度教徒。

They have plenty of different representation of different religious views.

他們有很多不同宗教觀點的代表。

And his sermon had nothing to do with what you just described.

他的佈道跟你剛才描述的完全沒關係。

This has nothing to do with religious views.

這跟宗教觀點一點關係都沒有。

This has to do with somebody who has ahistorical, hateful views.

這跟一個抱持著非歷史性、仇恨觀點的人有關。

Well, look, I mean, Christian Louis Farrakhan had a lot of different views.

嗯，你看，我的意思是，路易斯法拉罕（Louis Farrakhan）有許多不同的觀點。

And Louis Farrakhan was invited to the White House.

而且路易斯法拉罕（Louis Farrakhan）曾被邀請到白宮。

He was invited to a lot of powerful places.

I don't know if he was invited to the Pentagon or not.

我不知道他有沒有被邀請到國防部。

He was certainly invited to government facilities.

I mean, look, I think it's a question of is it appropriate?

我的意思是，你看，我認為這是個適不適當的問題。

Look, there are Christian pastors and interfaith leaders in the Congress.

你看，國會裡有基督教牧師和跨宗教領袖。

Well, I mean, you're saying that he has certain views, so therefore he should be ostrazized and not allowed.

嗯，我的意思是，你說他有某些觀點，所以就該被排擠，不被允許？

And I'm saying that they let all kinds of different views.

而我說的是，他們允許各種不同的觀點。

They have a right to have different views there.

他們有權利在那裡持有不同的觀點。

So I ran the faith portfolio for Barack Obama, and we did bring different views.

所以，我曾負責歐巴馬的信仰事務，我們確實引進了不同的觀點。

我們舉辦了 Guru Nanak 的慶祝活動。

We had the national or the Easter prayer Breakfast.

我們舉辦了全國性的或復活節祈禱早餐會。

We didn't bring jihadists in the White House.

We didn't bring white supremacists in the White House.

我們沒有把白人至上主義者帶進白宮。

We ensured that the words that they professed because of Their faith were not demonizing another faith.

我們確保他們因信仰而宣稱的言論，不會妖魔化另一種信仰。

I believe that we are a nation that should celebrate multi different faiths.

我相信我們是一個應該慶祝多種不同信仰的國家。

I really do not, though at the expense of others.

我真的不願意，但不是以犧牲他人為代價。

Second, what he was saying about slavery has nothing to do with spirituality or Christianity or any faith.

第二，他說的關於奴隸制的話，跟靈性、基督教或任何信仰都無關。

There was no harmony between the master and the slave.

The master may think that, but the slave had no power.

主人可能會這麼想，但奴隸沒有權力。

And if it's not the case, then why doesn't he become a slave?

如果不是這樣，那他為什麼不乾脆當奴隸？

Because I'm sure there would be no harmony there.

因為我敢肯定，那裡不會有和諧。

We cannot look at this as an isolated event.

我們不能把這看成一個孤立的事件。

We cannot say that two weeks ago when apes are put on a website and then you bring somebody into the White House that says slavery was a harmonious condition, that it doesn't.

我們不能說，兩週前，當有人把猿猴放在網站上，然後你把一個說奴隸制是和諧狀況的人帶進白宮，說這件事沒什麼。

And so as a person who feels like his language is causing could come harm to my ancestors, to me, and

所以，作為一個覺得自己的言論可能會傷害我的祖先、傷害我，以及

for the people that come before, I think we can say diversity of views are appropriate.

傷害那些在我之前的人，我認為我們可以說，觀點多元是合適的。