Name: 美國參議員麗莎·穆考斯基：「一切都關乎我們如何應對北極！」 (US Senator Lisa Murkowski: 'It's all about how we approach the Arctic')
Uploaded: 2026-02-15T17:08:16.000Z
Duration: 6 min 42 s

Senator Lisa Murkowski, you are the US Senator for Alaska.

參議員 Lisa Murkowski，您是阿拉斯加的美國參議員。

You're a Republican, and you know all about security and defense in the Arctic firsthand.

您是共和黨員，對北極的安全與防禦瞭若指掌。

What kind of feeling do you head back with from this Munich security conference, having listened to the speech of the US Secretary of State?

聽完美國國務卿的演講後，您從這次慕尼黑安全會議帶回了什麼樣的感受？

For me, it's all about how we build on the assets that we have, but

對我來說，重點是如何在我們現有的資產上有所建樹，但

how we approach the Arctic, we with a realism and a pragmatism.

我們要如何以現實主義和務實主義來處理北極事務。

Because I think some who don't have experience in the Arctic think that you can just replicate a version of security that you have elsewhere on the globe.

因為我認為一些沒有北極經驗的人，會覺得可以複製其他地方的安全模式到北極。

That's where alliances with our seven Arctic allies is so important, where we're sharing best practices, where we're sharing capabilities, where we're sharing training, where we're sharing Arctic know how.

這就是與我們七個北極盟友的聯盟如此重要的地方，我們在這裡分享最佳實踐、能力、訓練和北極的專業知識。

So I am leaving this Munich security conference knowing that now more than ever, it is important to solidify those relationships.

所以我離開這次慕尼黑安全會議，知道現在比以往任何時候都更重要，要鞏固這些關係。

There's been some tension, and that is probably putting it mildly.

確實有些緊張，這大概是輕描淡寫了。

But we must not lose sight of the true threat here, which is the threat from Russia, a threat from China, maybe down the road in the Arctic, but

但我們不能忽略真正的威脅，也就是來自俄羅斯的威脅，來自中國的威脅，也許未來在北極，但

just a vulnerability there we must be aware.

我們必須意識到那裡的脆弱性。

And so right now, there have been tensions within the United States relationship with the Kingdom of Denmark and more specifically, Greenland.

所以現在，美國與丹麥王國，特別是格陵蘭的關係出現了緊張。

That has not helped our opportunities for greater alliance building and the capacity that we need to ensure the security in the Arctic.

這無助於我們建立更大聯盟的機會，也無助於我們確保北極安全所需的能力。

People I spoke with here, certainly that meant losing a lot of trust in the United States as a defense ally.

我在這裡與人們交談過，他們確實認為美國作為防禦盟友失去了很多信任。

At the same time, on Valentine's Day, the day we record this, there was a Valentine's card coming out of the White House which depicts Greenland.

同時，在情人節這天，也就是我們錄音的這天，白宮發布了一張描繪格陵蘭的情人節卡片。

the administration, is moving beyond this issue now and becoming more constructive?

政府，現在是否已經超越了這個問題，變得更具建設性？

And the reason I say that is because I have had a good handful of very constructive conversations about how this dialogue is going.

我之所以這麼說，是因為我進行了好幾次非常有建設性的談話，關於這個對話的進展。

The framework that was set out between President Trump and Mark Rude in terms of these trilateral talks and visiting with the prime minister of Greenland when I was there just this weekend with a U.S.

川普總統和馬克·魯德之間就這些三邊會談以及我這個週末與美國代表團一起拜訪格陵蘭總理時所設立的框架，來問他，你覺得格陵蘭的聲音在這些討論中有被聽到嗎？

delegation, to ask him specifically, do you feel that Greenland's voice is being heard in these discussions?

This is a path that can allow us to work through these security issues?

這是一條能讓我們解決這些安全問題的道路嗎？

I've heard it over these past couple days that we need to give these talks the time.

在過去幾天裡，我一直聽到我們需要給這些會談一些時間。

I don't think there's any great secret in terms of what the outcome may entail.

我認為結果可能會是什麼，並沒有什麼大祕密。

There's a framework out There, that was established in 1951.

那裡有一個框架，是在1951年建立的。

Let's update, refresh, modernize, whatever the word is, but

讓我們更新、刷新、現代化，隨你怎麼說，但

using that as your template from a security perspective, recognizing and respecting the views of the people of Greenland, their own autonomy, self determination, let's make sure that we don't lose that in any kind of a negotiated process, but

從安全角度來看，以此為你的範本，同時認識並尊重格陵蘭人民的觀點、他們的自治和自決權，確保我們在任何協商過程中不會失去這些，但

also recognize again, who the common, where the common threat is coming from, and

同時再次認識到，共同的、威脅來自何方，

So I do have confidence that the rhetoric will be dialed down, and

所以我確實有信心，這種說法會被淡化，

I have confidence in that because it must.

我對此有信心，因為這是必須的。

And as I have talked to so many ministers here at the Security Conference, what they have shared is this is not helpful to how we help Ukraine win in this awful war that Putin has created.

在慕尼黑安全會議上，我與許多部長交流過，他們分享的觀點是，這無助於我們幫助烏克蘭贏得普丁發動的這場可怕戰爭。

The way that we win is we are together as allies.

我們獲勝的方式是，我們作為盟友團結一心。

We need to be together as allies in the Arctic security posture.

我們需要在北極安全態勢上團結一心。

So let's figure out how we come together based on our shared values.

所以，讓我們一起找出如何基於我們共同的價值觀來團結。

Now, you were also part of that bipartisan group that traveled to Denmark.

現在，你也是那個前往丹麥的跨黨派小組的一員。

Do you consider the message that came here from Europe, from the German chancellor, which basically drew a line in the sand, that the whole MAGA movement is not for Europe, that Europe wants to become more independent and stronger?

你認為來自歐洲、來自德國總理的訊息，基本上劃清了一條界線，認為整個MAGA運動對歐洲來說是不可行的，歐洲想要變得更獨立、更強大，你怎麼看待這個訊息？

Do you perceive that to be something that is constructive for going ahead, or is that counterproductive from your point of view as a Republican as well?

從你身為共和黨員的角度來看，你認為這是有助於未來發展的建設性因素，還是適得其反？

Well, and I guess I'm looking at things right now through the lens of Arctic security.

嗯，我現在是從北極安全這個角度來看事情的。

And we will have, we will have our capitals maybe flaring things up back and forth, and

我們的首都可能會來回互相放話，

the politics will be what the politics will be.

But I would hope that from a military to military perspective, from a secure, a broader security alliance, we keep our eyes on the main goal here, which is how do we help end this war with Ukraine to get a just and a fair peace for the people of Ukraine?

但我希望從軍事到軍事的角度，從更廣泛的安全聯盟來看，我們能專注於這裡的主要目標，也就是我們如何幫助結束烏克蘭的戰爭，為烏克蘭人民爭取公正和平的結局？

How do we, how do we push back against Putin and his ambitions in a way that demonstrates solidarity, that demonstrates strength and capability?

我們如何能夠在展現團結、展現力量和能力的同時，來對抗普丁及其野心？

So the political talk is going to be the political talk.

所以政治上的喊話就讓它去吧。

Sometimes it distracts us, as we have seen just here today.

有時候反而會讓我們分心，就像我們今天在這裡看到的。

But we need to keep our focus on the real priority.

但我們要專注在真正重要的事上。

Lisa Mikowski, center for Alaska, a Republican.

來自阿拉斯加的參議員 Lisa Mikowski，一位共和黨員。