Name: 中國真的會入侵臺灣嗎？- BBC 世界服務「今日世界」podcast (Could China actually invade Taiwan? - What in the World podcast, BBC World Service)
Uploaded: 2026-02-12T05:38:04.000Z
Duration: 14 min 52 s

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If China and Taiwan got dragged into this conflict, we were going to invite conflict with Japan, with the US with, for example, China's partners, Russia, for example.

如果中國和臺灣捲入這場衝突，我們就會引發與日本、與美國的衝突，例如中國的夥伴俄羅斯。

All of things means that it's going to be a major conflict if it were ever to break up.

這一切都意味著，一旦爆發，將會是一場重大衝突。

And this is what in the World, your podcast for the stories that get people talking from the BBC World Service.

這裡是 World，BBC World Service 的節目，為你帶來引人熱議的故事。

Taiwan is an island about 180km off the coast of China.

臺灣是個島嶼，距離中國海岸約 180 公里。

Nearly 24 million people live there, and it's also right at the center of a huge global row.

那裡有將近 2400 萬人居住，而且它正處於一場巨大的全球爭議中心。

And whatever happens there could affect your whole online life because Taiwan makes most of the world's computer chips, which power your phone, your laptop, your AI apps, electric cars.

而那裡發生的任何事都可能影響你整個線上生活，因為臺灣製造了世界上大部分的電腦晶片，這些晶片驅動著你的手機、你的筆記型電腦、你的 AI 應用程式、電動車。

Well, Taiwan is self governed, but China claims that it's part of its territory, and

嗯，臺灣是自治的，但中國聲稱它是其領土的一部分，而且

Taiwan is worried that China could be preparing to take the island by force.

臺灣擔心中國可能正準備武力奪取這個島嶼。

So today on the podcast, you're going to hear how this island has become the focus of so much attention and why it matters to all of us.

所以今天在我們的 Podcast 中，你會聽到這個島嶼是如何成為眾人關注的焦點，以及為什麼這對我們大家都很重要。

And here with me in the studio to break it down is Sean wan from the BBC's Global China unit.

今天在錄音室和我一起深入探討的是 BBC 全球中國小組的 Sean wan。

So there's a lot of talk online about World War three kicking off between China and Taiwan, and

所以網路上有很多關於中國和臺灣之間第三次世界大戰開打的討論，

I think the paranoia about World War three is obviously there, as you said, and

我想正如你所說，大家對第三次世界大戰的擔憂確實存在，而且

the issue of Taiwan has always been there for a really, really long time.

臺灣這個議題其實一直都存在了非常非常久。

a lot of Taiwanese people do see them as part of an independent nation, but

很多臺灣人都認為他們是一個獨立的國家，但是

at the same time, China does see as part of his territory.

同時，中國卻認為這是他們領土的一部分。

And Xi Jinping, which is China's president, might be able to use as part of his legacy to retake Taiwan.

而中國國家主席習近平，可能會將其作為他 legacy 的一部分來奪回臺灣。

And according to analysts, this is what he sees as the end of the century of humiliation for China.

根據分析師的說法，這就是他所認為的中國百年屈辱的終結。

This is quite a complex issue, and I want to break it down.

這是一個相當複雜的問題，我想把它拆解開來。

So first of all, why is China so fixated on Taiwan?

那麼首先，為什麼中國如此執著於臺灣呢？

So Taiwan was part of China before this whole saga between those two parties emerged.

在這兩個政黨之間的這段恩怨出現之前，臺灣其實是中國的一部分。

And then during the World War II, both the Nationalist Party and the Communist Party fought side by side against the Japanese imperial power.

然後在第二次世界大戰期間，國民黨和共產黨並肩作戰對抗日本帝國勢力。

After China won the war, they engaged in civil war.

中國贏了戰爭之後，他們就爆發了內戰。

And after the civil war, the Communist Party actually won that war, and

內戰結束後，共產黨贏得了那場戰爭，

the Nationalist Party actually went to Taipei, went to Taiwan and sort of set up a camp there.

而國民黨就撤退到了臺北，在臺灣那邊紮營。

And then starting that point on, we had this division between the mainland China and Taiwan, and

從那時候開始，我們就有了中國大陸和臺灣的分裂，

Taiwan internationally has been called officially Republic of China, parentheses Taiwan Whereas we have the Beijing government, which is People's Republic of China, which might sound very confusing, but

臺灣在國際上正式名稱是中華民國，也就是臺灣。而我們有北京政府，是中華人民共和國，這聽起來可能很讓人困惑，但是

you know, just for the sake of clarity, I think this, it's important to sort of point out those two things.

為了清楚起見，我覺得有必要點出這兩者。

And at the same time we're talking about global trade.

For example, control of Taiwan Strait is very important for global trade.

舉例來說，控制檯灣海峽對全球貿易非常重要。

And as you mentioned earlier, Taiwan produces a lot of semiconductor chips.

正如你先前提到的，臺灣生產了大量的半導體晶片。

So being able to sort of capture Taiwan, being being able to fixate it on Taiwan is also an economic concern as well.

所以能夠掌握臺灣，能夠將臺灣納入手中，也是一個經濟考量。

他們對自己的島嶼有什麼期望？

That's a sort of, that's really important question to, to answer, to be honest, because right now whenever we talk about the issue of Taiwan, we always seem to be talking about in this high level geopolitics.

說實話，這是一個非常重要的問題，因為現在我們談論臺灣問題時，似乎總是在談論高層次的國際政治。

But if you talk to Taiwanese, I think the overwhelming idea is that, you know, they want to retain their sort of self governance that this democratically governed island.

但如果你跟臺灣人聊聊，我認為絕大多數的想法是，他們想要維持這個民主治理的島嶼的自治。

But at the same time, if you talk to say the young people in Taiwan right now who are very into politics, obviously what they care about the most is the economy.

但同時，如果你跟臺灣的年輕人聊聊，他們現在對政治非常熱衷，顯然他們最關心的是經濟。

What they care about the most is sort of the stable life that they will probably be able to enjoy right now.

他們最關心的是能夠享受的穩定生活。

So a lot of them might want to retain status quo, which is we're not officially declaring independence from China, but

所以很多人可能希望維持現狀，也就是我們不正式宣佈從中國獨立，

at the same time we do not want to reunite with China.

但同時我們也不想與中國統一。

And Sean, we've also been hearing from a Taiwanese person about how they feel about their identity.

Sean，我們也聽一位臺灣人說了他們對自己身份認同的看法。

I'm a history PhD student at Stanford University.

我是史丹佛大學的歷史學博士生。

In today's geopolitical climate, calling yourself Taiwanese is inherently a political statement.

在現今的地緣政治氛圍下，稱自己是臺灣人本身就是一個政治表態。

But for me, it's also simply part of my everyday life.

但對我來說，這也只是我日常生活的一部分。

I am unapologetically Taiwanese when people ask me, where are you from?

當有人問我「你從哪裡來？」時，我毫不猶豫地說我是臺灣人。

或者更明確地問：「你是中國人嗎？」

For now, I can still separate my feelings toward the Chinese, Chinese government and the Chinese people.

目前我還能區分我對中國、中國政府以及中國人民的感受。

For the Chinese government, my feelings are without questions, rooted in anger.

對於中國政府，我的感受毫無疑問地源於憤怒。

Anger at its continued disregard for Taiwanese voices and at the way it has threatened and bullied Taiwan.

憤怒於它持續無視臺灣的聲音，以及它威脅和欺凌臺灣的方式。

我們已經聽過北京真正想要的是什麼了。

It wants to take Taiwan and have it for its own, with all of its industry and all of the other reasons.

它想要擁有臺灣，並將其據為己有，連同它所有的產業和其他一切原因。

But is that just the official line or is that something that, you know, younger people want as well?

但這只是官方說法，還是年輕人也這麼想？

Is there a generational divide in how people in China think about Taiwan and its relationship with China?

中國人對臺灣以及臺灣與中國關係的看法，有世代差異嗎？

The issue of Taiwan has been deeply ingrained in people's mind in China.

臺灣議題在中國人心中根深蒂固。

Like in our textbook, for example, almost all the opening Lines will be.

就像我們的課本，幾乎所有開頭都會寫。

Whenever we talk about Taiwan, the opening line will always be, Taiwan is part of China and has always been part of China.

每次談到臺灣，開頭一定會是：臺灣是中國的一部分，而且一直都是。

And the reunification between Taiwan and China is important for the glory of Chinese history.

兩岸統一對中華民族的偉大復興至關重要。

So that has been repetitively sort of drilled into people's mind.

所以這就像不斷地被灌輸到人們腦海裡一樣。

But that's not to say there's no generational divide.

For example, my generation, people grew up listening to Taiwanese music, for example, and they.

比方說，我這一代，大家從小聽臺灣的歌長大，像是，他們。

I'm surprised you said that you grew up listening to Taiwanese music, because, Sean, you and I have talked about Internet censorship in China before.

我有點驚訝你說你從小聽臺灣的歌長大，因為，Sean，你和我之前討論過中國的網路審查。

The Great Firewall of China, as it's called.

Are you allowed to listen to Taiwanese music and access, like, that kind of cultural stuff?

你們可以聽臺灣的歌，還有接觸，像是，那種文化類的東西嗎？

I mean, I think one thing that Taiwanese pop culture has been doing quite well is that it kind of steers away from politics.

我的意思是，我覺得臺灣的流行文化做得不錯的一點是，它會避開政治。

If I were talking about Taiwanese series or music, it's mostly about love.

如果我講到臺灣的劇或音樂，大部分都是講愛情。

That sort of was the defining chapter of our childhood.

那個可以說是我們童年的一個代表章節。

We'll go back home and watch this Taiwanese series.

So, yeah, I think we're still able to watch them as long as they stay away from the subject of politics.

所以，對啊，我覺得只要他們避開政治這個主題，我們還是可以看的。

And, Sean, we have actually been hearing from a Chinese student in the US this is Rong Zhi.

然後，Sean，我們其實有收到一位在美國的中國學生的訊息，她叫Rong Zhi。

I grew up in the early 2000s in China, and

我在中國的2000年代初期長大，然後

I think what I really remember was things were very friendly between China and Taiwan at the time.

我覺得我真正記得的是，當時中國和臺灣之間的關係非常友好。

There was definitely a lot of Taiwanese TV shows that we would watch, and

我們那時候肯定看了很多臺灣的電視節目，而且

definitely lots of Taiwanese musicians were very popular.

很多臺灣的音樂人也都非常紅。

I think one of the funny things is that I think, like, a Taiwanese accent was.

我覺得很有趣的一點是，那時候臺灣腔。

Was perceived as a very sort of cool accent.

如果你講國語的時候帶有那種腔調。

In my personal experience, still, lots of Taiwanese friends who hang out in China, who have businesses in China, that's pretty big.

依我個人的經驗，還是有很多臺灣朋友在中國玩，在中國做生意，這點還蠻普遍的。

A lot of them open up Taiwanese restaurants.

I don't really see that affected as much.

我覺得這方面影響沒有那麼大。

I think there's still in general, an interest in and a love for Taiwanese culture, Taiwanese food.

我覺得整體來說，大家對臺灣文化、臺灣美食還是很有興趣，也很喜歡。