Name: 古巴副外長：美國正試圖扼殺古巴經濟！ (US 'attempting to choke Cuba economically': Cuban dep. foreign minister)
Uploaded: 2026-02-05T17:04:06.000Z
Duration: 10 min 33 s

Cuba poses no threat to the United States.

情態副詞

They are attempting to choke Cuba economically as they have been trying to do for the past over six decades.

他們正試圖在經濟上扼殺古巴，就像過去六十多年來他們一直試圖做的那樣。

I would say at this moment they are threatening countries with tariffs to harm them if they in use of their national prerogatives, they export fuel to Cuba.

我會說，此刻他們正以關稅威脅各國，如果這些國家行使國家權力向古巴出口燃料，就會對它們造成傷害。

It is the aim to cause as much harm as possible to the people of Cuba.

目標是盡可能對古巴人民造成傷害。

Cuba has only 15 to 20 days of oil left at current levels of demand.

按照目前的消費水準，古巴只剩下 15 到 20 天的石油儲備。

這是根據《金融時報》的報導。

With the US Blocking deliveries from Venezuela, a key supplier, and

美國阻止了主要供應國委內瑞拉的石油運送，

pressuring Mexico to cancel shipments, while also threatening new tariffs on any country that sells oil to Havana, the Trump administration is choking off the Cuban economy one gas tank at a time.

並向墨西哥施壓要求取消運輸，同時也威脅對任何向哈瓦那出售石油的國家徵收新關稅，川普政府正一點一滴地扼殺古巴經濟。

Now, oil doesn't just drive Cuba's transportation infrastructure, it also powers and electricity system on the brink of total collapse.

現在，石油不僅是古巴交通運輸的命脈，也為瀕臨全面崩潰的電力系統供電。

But could talks with Washington give Cuba an off ramp?

但和華盛頓的談判能讓古巴脫困嗎？

I think they probably would come to us and want to make a deal so Cuba would be free again.

我認為他們很可能會來找我們，想達成協議，讓古巴重獲自由。

但古巴，說真的，他們有問題。

Carlos Fernandez Dicosio is Cuba's deputy foreign minister and its top diplomat for US Affairs.

卡洛斯·費南德茲·狄科西歐是古巴的副外交部長，也是負責美國事務的最高外交官。

And he says Havana is even now exchanging messages, messages with Washington and is ready for meaningful dialogue.

他說，哈瓦那現在甚至正在與華盛頓交換訊息，並準備進行有意義的對話。

Carlos Fernandez diclosio, welcome to the program.

卡洛斯·費南德茲·狄科西歐，歡迎來到節目。

So it appears that you are confirming what we heard from President Trump when he said that his administration is talking to the highest people in your government.

所以看來你證實了我們從川普總統那裡聽到的消息，他說他的政府正在與你們政府的最高層人士談話。

He also says that he expects a deal to be clear.

他也說，他預期會有一個明確的協議。

Is your government currently working or currently looking at a proposal or demand actually from the United States?

古巴政府目前有沒有在處理或考慮來自美國的某項提議或要求？

The US Government knows that Cuba is ready and has been ready for a long time to have a meaningful dialogue with the US Government to deal with our bilateral issues.

美國政府知道古巴已經準備好，而且早就準備好要跟美國政府展開有意義的對話，來處理我們雙邊的問題。

At the moment, we've had some exchanges of messages, but

目前，我們已經有一些訊息上的交流，但是

we cannot say we have set a bilateral dialogue at this moment.

我們不能說我們現在已經展開了雙邊對話。

It seems like a complete 180 from what your president was saying just last week, noting that measures taken by Washington, Washington are, quote, criminal and genocidal in nature.

這跟你們總統上週說的，說華盛頓採取的措施是「犯罪」和「種族滅絕」性質的，聽起來完全是180度大轉彎。

What has changed is the pressure from the United States working.

改變的是來自美國的壓力正在奏效。

The statement from our president, it was on January 9th, I believe he was calling the actions taken by the United States as they are.

我們總統的聲明，我記得是在一月九號，他只是說出美國所採取的行動的本質。

And he also said very clearly that Cuba is ready to have a serious and responsible dialogue with the United States that is respectful of international law and of course, respectful of our international, of our national prerogatives and sovereign prerogatives there's no change in what he said.

而且他也非常清楚地說，古巴已經準備好要跟美國進行嚴肅且負責任的對話，這個對話會尊重國際法，當然也會尊重我們的國際、我們國家的特權和主權特權，這部分他所說的沒有任何改變。

The President in the United States as well as the Secretary here, Marco Rubio, have said that their goal, Marco Rubio has said this explicitly would be regime change at some point.

美國總統以及這裡的參議員馬可盧比歐都說過，他們的目標，馬可盧比歐曾明確說過，就是要在某個時候實現政權更迭。

Well, the first thing to remember is that on the Measure announced on January 29, they claim that Cuba is an emergency to the US because we pose a threat to the United States.

嗯，首先要記得的是，在1月29號宣佈的措施裡，他們聲稱古巴對美國是個緊急狀況，因為我們對美國構成威脅。

It is not aggressive against the United States.

我們沒有對美國採取侵略行動。

It doesn't harbor terrorism, nor sponsors terrorism.

我們沒有窩藏恐怖主義，也沒有資助恐怖主義。

There are no foreign military bases in Cuba, contrary to what is alleged, with the exception of the one existing in Guantanamo, the US Base.

雖然有指控，但古巴沒有外國軍事基地，唯一的例外是現存於關達那摩的美國基地。

Cuba has no traffic in drugs or illegal drugs that would harm the United States, nor there's organizing crime in Cuba, nor organized crime uses Cuba as a platform against the United States.

古巴沒有販運毒品或非法藥品來傷害美國，古巴也沒有組織犯罪，也沒有組織犯罪利用古巴作為平臺來對抗美國。

So the allegations that they used are not truthful.

所以他們提出的指控並非屬實。

Now, the Secretary of State has said that he wants regime change and it's been his policy and the policy of many anti Cuban politicians in the United States for a long time.

現在，國務卿已經說過他想要政權更迭，這一直以來都是他的政策，也是美國許多反古巴政客長期的政策。

I don't know what the reasoning today of the government is when they speak of talking with Cuba because of course, our plan and our idea and our objectives would never be to change the government we have in Cuba, the system or economic or political system that we have in Cuba.

我不知道政府今天談論古巴的理由是什麼，因為當然，我們的計畫、我們的想法和我們的目標永遠不會是改變我們在古巴的政府、我們在古巴的體制或經濟或政治體制。

So what are you going to do to stop the United States if that is their ultimate goal?

那麼，如果這是美國的最終目標，你們打算怎麼做來阻止美國？

他們正試圖在經濟上扼殺古巴，就像他們過去六十多年來一直試圖做的那樣。

I would say at this moment they are threatening countries with tariffs to harm them if they in use of their national prerogatives, they export fuel to Cuba that will pose a great harm to Cuba.

我會說，此刻他們正以關稅威脅各國，如果他們利用國家權力向古巴出口燃料，將會對古巴造成嚴重傷害。

他們的目標是盡可能地傷害古巴人民。

I'm sure that if we sit down and if US were ready to ease the very illegitimate pressure it puts on Cuba, we could evolve in a way that so that Americans could travel to Cuba, which today is prohibited by their government, could do business in Cuba, which today is prohibited by their government, could visit Cuba, could do tourism in Cuba, which today is prohibited by their government.

我確信，如果我們坐下來談，如果美國準備放鬆對古巴施加的非常不合法的壓力，我們可以發展，讓美國人能夠前往古巴（今天被他們政府禁止），能夠在古巴做生意（今天被他們政府禁止），能夠參觀古巴，能夠在古巴旅遊（今天被他們政府禁止）。

You mention and describe as illegitimate the US rationale for the blockade.

你提到並形容美國封鎖的理由是不合法的。

The Trump administration's January 29th executive order specifically cites Cuba hosting hostile countries, that's being Russia and China as the reason for this new blockade.

川普政府一月二十九日的行政命令明確指出，古巴窩藏敵對國家，也就是俄羅斯和中國，是實施這次新封鎖的原因。

You have said that there are no hostile actors in the country.

So I'm asking you to confirm again, to be precise, are there Any Russian intelligence operators or operations, or the same with Chinese security operations inside of Cuba.

所以我想請你再次確認，精確地說，古巴境內是否有任何俄羅斯情報人員或行動，或中國安全行動？

Right now, there are no foreign operations in Cuba, and

目前，古巴境內沒有外國的軍事行動，

there's no action or activity in Cuba from any foreign country that is hostile against the United States or that can harm the United States.

也沒有任何外國在古巴的行動或活動，是針對美國的敵對行為，或是可能損害美國的。

that is the day of the operation where the United States seized Maduro from Venezuela, the Cuban economy was in its worst state since the early 1990s.

那天是美國從委內瑞拉帶走馬杜羅的行動日，古巴經濟處於自1990年代初期以來最糟糕的狀態。

You have suffering from massive stagflation.

你們遭受著嚴重的停滯性通貨膨脹。

Real world inflation is estimated to be about 70% by the end of this year.

預計到今年年底，實際的通貨膨脹率約為70%。

You've had chronic blackouts for many, many years.

你們多年來一直有長期的停電問題。

So how is this all the fault of the United States policies and none of yours?

那麼，這一切怎麼會是美國政策的錯，而你們卻沒有責任呢？

legislation, if you look at what politicians in the United States say, you'd be sure that would happen.

法規，如果你看看美國政界人士說了什麼，你就會確信那會發生。

Politicians in the United States have been betting since the 1960s that their coercive economic measures against Cuba will make the country collapse.

美國的政治人物從1960年代就一直押注，認為他們對古巴採取的經濟脅迫措施會讓古巴垮臺。

Many politicians, officials from the State Department, officials in the White House, have said that for years.

許多政治人物、國務院官員、白宮官員多年來都這麼說過。

It's a miracle, I would say, for them, that Cuba has lasted so long.

我會說，對他們來說，古巴能撐這麼久簡直是個奇蹟。

It has been the aim of the United States, by their own doing, in believing that their actions can make Cuba collapse.

美國一直以來都以自己的方式，相信他們的行動能讓古巴垮臺。

The humanitarian question that's been raised in the fallout of completely choking off the country from.

在完全扼殺這個國家後引發的人道問題。

從天然氣儲備等等，還有石油。

And President Trump responded by saying that he thinks he can work a deal out.

川普總統則回應說，他認為他可以達成協議。

That is similar language that we heard from President Trump prior to his seizing of Nicolas Maduro and now putting his number two, Delsey Rodriguez, in place and in power.

這跟我們之前聽川普總統說的話很像，在他逮捕尼古拉斯·馬杜羅，並讓他的二號人物德爾西·羅德里格斯掌權之後。

So what is to stop or prevent that same type of chain of events from happening in Cuba?

那麼，是什麼阻止或防止同樣的連鎖事件在古巴發生呢？

How do you know that the United States is not currently working or speaking with somebody in your government to take out your leadership and put them in place?

你們怎麼知道美國現在沒有在跟你們政府裡的人合作或談話，來推翻你們的領導層並扶植他們的人上臺？

They've been trying to do that for a long time.

To speak of Cubans of different types, the Cuban government is united.

談到不同類型的古巴人，古巴政府是團結的。

It's united behind its president and it's got the support of the majority of the population.

他們團結在總統身後，並獲得了大多數民眾的支持。

我無法懷疑他們是否會這麼做。

They've been attempting to do it in Cuba and.

他們一直在古巴嘗試這麼做，而且。

I do want to ask about the chain of events following the seizure of Maduro in Venezuela, along with his wife, because we know that there were scores of Cuban military officers that were killed protecting Maduro.

我想問一下在馬杜羅和他妻子在委內瑞拉被捕之後的連鎖事件，因為我們知道有許多古巴軍官在保護馬杜羅時喪生。

It had been Cuba's public statement that there had been no military personnel protecting Venezuelan leadership for a number of years and come to find out there were.

古巴公開聲明說，多年來沒有軍事人員保護委內瑞拉領導層，結果發現事實並非如此。

And you had a very high profile memorial and we saw the funerals that you hosted for all of them.

你們舉辦了一個非常盛大的紀念儀式，我們也看到了你們為他們所有人舉辦的葬禮。

So why lie about something that you then made so public?

那為什麼要對一件後來公開的事情撒謊呢？

To say that we're lying is a strong word in 2018, 2019 and 2020 when this was raised.

說我們在撒謊，這在2018、2019和2020年，當這件事被提出來的時候，是很嚴重的說法。

我們在委內瑞拉沒有派駐部隊。

We do not participate in military operations in Venezuela.

我們沒有參與在委內瑞拉的軍事行動。

We said what we said consistently what was in Venezuela and the officers that, as you claimed, lost their lives.

我們說了我們說的，關於在委內瑞拉的情況以及你聲稱喪生的軍官們。

There were security detail, personal security detail for the president of Venezuela that was paying in no way is equivalent to troops.

那是總統的隨扈，是總統的個人安全團隊，這完全不能等同於部隊。

There was no regiment, there was no battalion.

There were not heavy machinery in terms of military in of Cuba, in Venezuela.

古巴在委內瑞拉並沒有軍事上的重型機械。

It was simply a security detail for the president of Venezuela.

那只是委內瑞拉總統的隨扈團隊。

That is not troops equivalent in any measure anyway.

Okay, well, we'll have to get them to answer that question at some point as well.

好的，嗯，我們之後還是得找個時間讓他們回答這個問題。