Name: 川普邊境沙皇：移民局幹員「撤兵」計畫正在進行中！ ('Drawdown' of MN immigration agents in the works: Trump border czar)
Uploaded: 2026-01-29T17:20:08.000Z
Duration: 8 min 37 s

This morning, the administration is adjusting its tone on the crackdown in Minneapolis.

今天早上，執政當局正在調整他們對明尼阿波利斯鎮壓行動的語氣。

I do not want to hear that everything's been done here has been perfect.

我不想聽到有人說這裡做的一切都很完美。

And what we've been working on is making this operation safer, more efficient, by the book.

我們一直在努力讓這次行動更安全、更有效率，並且一切都按規矩來。

The mission is going to improve because of the changes we're making internally.

因為我們在內部做出的改變，這次任務將會有所改善。

Based on the discussions I've had with the governor and the ag, we can start drawing down those resources as far as those looking for public safety threats being released and doing it in jail with much less people.

根據我和州長、農務部長的討論，我們可以開始逐步撤離那些資源，讓那些尋找公共安全威脅的人被釋放，並在監獄裡以更少的人力來處理。

So the drawdown is going to happen based on these agreements, but

所以，撤離行動將會基於這些協議進行，但

the drawdown can happen even more if the hateful rhetoric and the impediment interference will stop.

如果仇恨言論和阻礙幹擾停止，撤離行動可以進行得更快。

I want to bring in CNN's Priscilla Alvarez, who covers immigration for us.

我想請到 CNN 的 Priscilla Alvarez，她負責報導我們的移民事務。

You have been covering immigration for so long, Priscilla.

Priscilla，你報導移民議題已經很久了。

And Tom Homan himself, he is a veteran, right, in dhs.

而 Tom Homan 本人，他是國土安全部的資深人士，對吧？

What stood out to you from his press conference?

他的記者會讓你印象最深刻的是什麼？

Well, Pamela, what we heard from Tom Homan this morning is really his classic approach to immigration enforcement.

嗯，Pamela，今天早上我們從 Tom Homan 那裡聽到的，其實是他一貫的移民執法理念。

This is a philosophy that he has held for years and that is essentially doing targeted enforcement operations, but

這是一種他多年來堅持的理念，基本上就是進行目標式的執法行動，但

not foreclosing that if there is another undocumented immigrant or immigrants in the vicinity, that they too can be swept up.

並不排除如果附近有其他無證移民，他們也可能被一併帶走。

So let's walk through what this means for Minneapolis.

所以，我們就來看看這對 Minneapolis 意味著什麼。

Well, first of all, Tom Homan had said that he is not, he is going to stay until the problem is gone.

嗯，首先，Tom Homan 說過，他不會，他會留下來直到問題解決。

So over the course of this news conference, he acknowledged multiple times that the status quo was not okay.

所以在這次記者會中，他多次承認現狀是無法接受的。

And he had been having conversations with local and federal officials over the last several days to try to create a path forward.

而且在過去幾天，他一直在和地方及聯邦官員溝通，試圖找出一個前進的方向。

And that path forward, he said, is drawing down the number of federal agents who are in Minneapolis, but

而且他說，這個前進的方向是逐步撤離在 Minneapolis 的聯邦官員，但

also hinging that on cooperation with local officials.

同時也取決於與地方官員的合作。

Of course, one of the points of tension between the state of Minnesota and the city of Minneapolis, along with the federal government, is the cooperation with local jails.

當然，明尼蘇達州與 Minneapolis 市以及聯邦政府之間緊張關係的一個點，就是與地方監獄的合作。

So giving notification to Immigration and Customs Enforcement if someone is being released from a jail that is undocumented and could pose a public safety threat.

所以，如果有人被從監獄釋放，而他們是無證移民，並可能構成公共安全威脅，就要通知移民及海關執法局。

He said that he was having multiple conversations about that so that there can be more working together and collaboration between the federal government and the local officials.

他說 他正在就此進行多次對話，以便聯邦政府與地方官員之間能有更多的合作與協調。

And he said that this is going to be more efficient and, quote, the mission is going to improve because of the changes we're making internally.

而且他說，這將會更有效率，而且，引述他的話，因為我們在內部進行的這些改變，任務將會有所改善。

But on targeted enforcement, this is something we've heard multiple times from Tom Homan, and

但關於目標執法，這是我們從 Tom Homan 那裡聽過很多次的事情，而且

it is very traditional for Immigration and Customs Enforcement generally, which is to say that they identify who they are going to go after that.

這對移民及海關執法局來說是很經典的方法，也就是說，他們會辨識出他們要去對付誰。

In this case, they would have a criminal record and they would pursue that target in these operations.

在這種情況下，他們會有犯罪紀錄，並且會在這些行動中追捕該目標。

But there is also still the option of collaterals.

這就是 ICE 內部對他們的稱呼。

That means any undocumented immigrant that is in the area of that operation that they could take in because of immigration violations.

這表示任何在該行動區域內，因為移民違規而被他們逮捕的無證移民。

So it doesn't foreclose the idea that may happen.

所以這並沒有排除這種可能性發生。

But to give this a big picture, it means that there is an adjustment that goes away from the broad immigration sweeps that we had been seeing that have been led by Gregory Bevino, a top Border Patrol official.

但從大方向來看，這表示有所調整，不再像過去那樣大規模的移民掃蕩，而這過去是由邊境巡邏隊高官 Gregory Bevino 所主導的。

And in many ways, this speaks to the difference in philosophies.

在很多方面，這也說明瞭理念上的差異。

This is a veteran ICE official who's coming in to do targeted ICE operations.

這是一位資深 ICE 人員，他將來執行目標式的 ICE 行動。

The thing that ICE has done for years compared to a Border Patrol official typically focused on border security, doing sweeps in the interior of the United States.

ICE 幾年來一直這樣做，相較於邊境巡邏隊官員通常專注於邊境安全，在美國內陸進行掃蕩。

So tactically, this is expected to look different.

所以在戰術上，這預期會看起來不一樣。

我們還是不知道，得等到實際看到才知道。

But Tom Holman expressing some level of optimism that the two, the federal government and local officials can work together to.

但 Tom Holman 表達了一定程度的樂觀，認為聯邦政府和地方官員可以合作。

To an end that tamps down on the chaos within the city.

I'm not here because the federal government has carried this mission out perfectly.

我來這裡不是因為聯邦政府完美地完成了這個任務。

First thing I said to senior staff when I walked in here is what I told you earlier.

我進來後跟資深員工說的第一件事，就是我剛才跟你們說的。

I didn't come here looking for photo ops or headlines.

我來這裡不是為了拍照或博取頭條。

我來這裡是為了尋找解決方案。

And what we've been working on is making this operation safer, more efficient.

我們一直在努力讓這次行動更安全、更有效率。

By the book, the mission is going to improve.

With us now is Congressman Seth Magaziner, a Democrat from Rhode Island.

現在跟我們在一起的是羅德島州民主黨籍國會議員 Seth Magaziner。

He is a member of the Homeland Security Committee.

Congressman, thank you for being with us.

So the announcement, a drawdown is being planned.

所以宣佈的這項逐步撤離正在規劃中。

It's in the works, conditional, but it's being planned.

這正在進行中，是有條件的，但確實正在規劃。

Also said a focus now on targeted operations, which Homan admitted they got away from.

另外也說了，現在的重點是針對性的行動，Homan 也承認他們已經偏離了這個方向。

Well, first of all, no kidding, they haven't been targeted.

嗯，首先，說真的，他們根本就沒有針對性。

And it's a shame that it has taken two dead American citizens, children being locked up, people having their houses barged into without warrants in order for this to happen.

而且很可惜，竟然要等到兩名美國公民死亡、兒童被監禁、人們的房子在沒有搜索令的情況下被闖入，才能發生這種事。

We never should have had this to begin with.

我們一開始就不應該有這種情況。

And to be clear, it's not just Minneapolis.

而且要說清楚，這不只發生在明尼阿波利斯。

All across the country under the Trump administration, they've been violating people's civil liberties, including United States citizens, by being untargeted by their own data.

在川普政府的領導下，全國各地都在侵犯人們的公民自由，包括美國公民，因為他們沒有針對性地利用自己的數據。

Only about 5% of the people who they have locked up and deported are people with violent criminal records.

他們逮捕和驅逐出境的人中，只有大約 5% 是有暴力犯罪紀錄的人。

The vast majority of the people they've been detaining are people with no criminal records at all.

他們拘留的大多數人根本沒有犯罪紀錄。

And so, you know, it's good to hear someone in the administration finally telling the truth that they have not been operating in a targeted way and that there needs to be change.

所以，你知道，很高興聽到執政當局裡有人終於說實話，他們沒有針對性地行動，需要做出改變。

It's just a tragedy that it's taken so many shattered families and unfortunately, the killings of two Americans in order to get to this point.

真是太悲劇了，竟然要等到這麼多家庭破碎，還有兩名美國人被殺，才能走到這一步。

The other important thing I'd say is we can't take the administration at its word on anything.

我想說的另一件重要的事是，我們不能輕信執政當局說的任何話。

And I think we've learned that clearly they've asked people to not believe what we've seen with our own eyes in the videos of these shootings.

我認為我們已經清楚地學到，他們要求我們不要相信我們親眼在這些槍擊影片中看到的。

And so while it is good to hear Homan finally admit that the way that they've been acting is inappropriate, that's not enough.

所以，雖然很高興聽到霍曼終於承認他們目前的行為不當，但這還不夠。

And that is why we need to pass laws that will constrain the ability of ICE to violate people's civil liberties.

這也是為什麼我們需要通過法律，限制移民及海關執法局侵犯公民自由的能力。

And so, you know, the Senate Democrats, like most House Democrats, are doing the right thing, saying that we will not vote for any Homeland Security funding until there are major, major changes, not just in the behavior of the administration, which they could, of course, go back on tomorrow if they wanted to, but

所以，你知道，參議院的民主黨人，就像大多數眾議院民主黨人一樣，正在做正確的事，表示在進行重大、重大的改變之前，我們不會投票支持任何國土安全部的資金，這些改變不僅僅是執政當局的行為，他們當然可以隨時改變，

Joining us now is Republican Senator John Husted of Ohio.

現在加入我們的是來自俄亥俄州的共和黨參議員約翰·哈斯特德。

He is among the growing list of lawmakers calling for a thorough and objective investigation into the Predi shooting.

他是越來越多議員中的一員，呼籲對普雷迪槍擊案進行徹底客觀的調查。

First off, what is your response to what you just heard there from the border czar?

首先，您對剛才聽到的邊境總管的說法有什麼回應？

I think that represents a reset, which I think is a good thing.

我認為這代表了一個重置，我認為這是好事。

Targeted enforcement is what they were supposed to be there doing.

目標式執法是他們本來就該在那裡做的事。

And it's time to to reset and focus on what the mission is, which was to target violent criminals, people who are, you know, on the worst of the worst list.

現在是時候重置並專注於任務，也就是鎖定暴力罪犯，那些被列在最惡劣名單上的人。

And I think that's where they should focus.

我認為他們應該專注於這一點。

He did talk about what he called progress over the last couple of days, meeting with local officials, talking about working with the county jail on these detain requests from ICE where the jail would possibly turn over people who were here illegally with criminal backgrounds.

他確實談到了他所說的過去幾天的進展，與地方官員會面，談論與縣監獄合作處理來自 ICE 的拘留請求，監獄可能會移交有犯罪背景的非法移民。

But what is still not clear is whether state officials and local officials can join up forces with federal officials to do this objective, impartial investigation that you've been calling for.

但仍然不清楚的是，州官員和地方官員是否能與聯邦官員聯手，進行您一直呼籲的客觀、公正的調查。

Well, we need to make sure that the investigation is impartial, that ultimately everyone has access to all the evidence that's used to determine what happens going forward.

嗯，我們需要確保調查是公正的，最終每個人都能取得用來決定未來走向的所有證據。

I think that transparency of that process is what builds trust, and

我認為這個過程的透明度才能建立信任，而且

we do need to see more cooperation between state and local authorities.

我們確實需要看到州和地方當局之間有更多的合作。

I know in Ohio State, in almost every place, if there is a local arrest of somebody who has committed a crime and they're in this country illegally, they turn those individuals over to ice.

我知道在俄亥俄州，幾乎所有地方，如果有人犯罪被地方逮捕，而且他們是非法居留在這個國家，他們會把這些人移交給 ICE。

In Minneapolis and other places, that's not happening.

但在明尼亞波利斯和其他地方，這種情況並沒有發生。

We need to see that happen so that we can basically, we don't need these ICE enforcements because there is more cooperation between federal and local officials.

我們需要看到這種情況發生，這樣我們基本上就不需要這些 ICE 執法行動了，因為聯邦和地方官員之間的合作會更多。