Name: 傻眼！Charli XCX 坦言早紅會讓她變成「惡夢」？｜康納需要朋友 (Charli xcx Thinks Early Success Would’ve Made Her A “Nightmare” | Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend)
Uploaded: 2026-01-29T17:07:20.000Z
Duration: 6 min 50 s

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You have this long arc of making very successful music.

你有這段很成功的音樂創作歷程。

過去簡單式

And, I mean, my daughter, who I told you is a massive fan, been listening to for years, long before Brat, and was a fan of yours.

喔，我女兒，我跟你說她是你的超級粉絲，在她認識 Brat 之前就聽你歌好幾年了，一直都是你的粉絲。

So when the moment comes that Brat comes out.

Brat, Summer, the whole cultural phenomenon of that, you're probably maybe a little better prepared, if you can be prepared for something like that, for sure.

Brat、Summer，還有那整個文化現象，你可能已經準備好了，如果真的能準備好的話，絕對是。

It's funny, I guess as an artist, I had already sort of dabbled in commercial success through the songs I had written for other people and been a feature on.

很有趣，我想身為一個藝術家，我已經透過我為別人寫的歌還有合作的歌曲，稍微嚐試過商業上的成功了。

And that had literally taken me around the world and allowed me to perform on different stages and things like that.

那真的帶我走遍世界，讓我在不同的舞臺上表演等等。

So I kind of had this, like, secondhand experience, as you were saying, of, like, pop star success.

所以就像你說的，我有點像是二手經驗，體驗過那種流行巨星的成功。

I was sort of like the one, like, photobombing the photo rather than, like, in the main center frame.

我有點像是那種，你知道，在照片裡亂入，而不是在中間的主要畫面。

But it was cool, you know, I was cool with that.

但那很酷，你知道，我對那樣很OK。

I had my own song, this song called Boom Clap, which was in this film called Fault in Our Stars.

我有一首自己的歌，叫做 Boom Clap，這首歌出現在一部叫做《生命中的美好缺憾》的電影裡。

And that was my sort of big, like, oh, now she's going to do it.

然後那就像是我的，喔，現在她要做到了。

然後我，就像，其實沒有發生。

就像，我覺得那時候我還沒準備好。

I didn't really, like, have my brain, like, fully dialed as, like, an artist brain in a way.

我其實沒有，你知道，把我的腦袋，像，完全調好，成為一個藝術家的腦袋。

Like, I wasn't connecting all the pieces of the puzzle together in the.

就像，我沒有把所有的拼圖碎片都串起來。

In the way that I. I do now when I think about my work.

就像我現在思考我的工作一樣。

And then after that, I kind of, like, went into this other world of, okay, now I'm gonna kind of really, like, make underground stuff and work with, like, my freaky friends and things like that.

然後之後，我就進入了另一個世界，想著，好，現在我要做一些地下音樂，跟我的怪咖朋友們一起玩。

And so when Brat happened and people were into that record, I was actually kind of at this point where I was kind of like, I'm just going to make this record for me, and I don't really care if anybody else likes it.

所以當 Brat 出來，大家都很喜歡那張專輯時，我其實已經到了一個階段，我想說，這張專輯我只想做給我自己聽，我真的不在乎別人喜不喜歡。

I felt like I was at a point in my career where I could really sustain being able to do what I wanted.

我感覺我在我的職涯中，已經到了一個可以真正堅持做我想做的事的階段。

Even if the album wasn't commercially successful, I was totally at peace with it.

就算這張專輯沒有商業上的成功，我也完全釋懷了。

And I'd been so swinging on the pendulum back and forth between, like, what I wanted as a person, as an artist prior to that.

在那之前，我一直在來回擺盪，在身為一個人、一個藝術家，我想要什麼之間。

But with this record, I was like, down the line.

但這張專輯，我則是想著長遠的。

Like, I am ready for it to flop and I am going to stand by it.

就像，我已經準備好它可能會失敗，而且我會堅持它。

Like, this is for me and my fans who like, give a fuck about what I'm doing.

就像，這是我，還有那些在乎我在做什麼的粉絲們。

And then obviously, like, it didn't really happen like that.

然後很明顯地，事情並沒有真的照那樣發展。

Like, a lot more people than my hardcore fan base were into the record.

很多人，遠超過我的死忠粉絲群，都喜歡這張專輯。

And I think because I had had this prior journey before of, like, you know, being in the background of the photos and, like, kind of, like, having this sort of, like, almost type moments, I felt.

我覺得是因為我之前有過那樣的經歷，你知道的，在照片裡當背景，然後，有點，像是，有那種，差不多類型的時刻，我感覺到。

Like, I'd kind of, like, seen so much, and I'd also, like, experienced so much of what the industry is and how people come and go and how people treat you when you're on top versus when you're not.

我好像，看過太多了，也經歷了太多關於這個產業，人們如何來來去去，以及當你處於巔峰時和不在巔峰時人們的對待方式。

I think I'm just quite realistic about fame and the industry and how serious or unseriously you need to take it.

我覺得我對名氣和這個產業，以及你該多認真或多不在乎看待這件事，都算是蠻實際的。

I feel, like, really thankful that I got to have the experience that I had prior to Brat, because I think it.

我感覺，像是，真的很感謝我能在 Brat 之前有那些經驗，因為我覺得。

I think I would have been a nightmare if I hadn't.

如果沒有的話，我可能會變成一個惡夢。

Like, I really, honestly, like, really, like, I think it would have been, like, quite a dangerous, like, concoction of things all coming together.

像是，我真的，老實說，像是，我覺得那會是一個，像是，蠻危險的，像是，各種事物結合在一起的混合體。

There are people that have that when they're 19, 20, 21, and oftentimes that can lead to drug addiction, mental illness, because I don't think people are meant to experience that 100%, and it's not something biologically we're meant to be able to handle.

有些人會在 19、20、21 歲時就經歷這些，而這常常會導致藥物成癮、精神疾病，因為我不認為人們應該要 100% 經歷這些，而且這也不是我們生物上能承受得了的。

I'm just curious, because there's a little bit of false modesty about Brat.

我只是很好奇，因為 Brat 有一點點的虛偽謙虛。

It wasn't just successful very few times.

Can you say that an album is a cultural phenomenon?

你能說一張專輯是文化現象嗎？

It was artistically a smash, but it took on a whole life.

在藝術上非常成功，但它卻有了自己的生命。

The color and font of the album became a thing.

這張專輯的顏色和字體變成了一個標誌。

That's when you know you've done something interesting.

那時你就知道你做了一些有趣的事情。

You're passing by a coffee shop, and the color and the font is telling you buy a mochaccino, and you're like, okay, this doesn't even have anything to do with Brat.

你經過一家咖啡店，那顏色和字體告訴你買杯摩卡奇諾，而你就會想，好吧，這跟 Brat 根本沒關係。

They're trying to use Brat to sell a mochaccino.

他們試圖利用 Brat 來賣摩卡奇諾。

Was there a moment when you've had success before?

You'd been playing before people for a long time.

Was there a moment that crystallized for you where you thought, oh, my God, this is weird.

有沒有一個時刻讓你覺得，天啊，這太奇怪了。

And also, I'm very bad at doing the thing where you, like, look back and acknowledge success.

而且，我不太擅長那種回顧並慶祝成功的事。

Like, I'm kind of like, next thing, let's go.

Like, I don't know, like, I can sit here and, you know, talk to you guys and say, like, actually, yeah, it was really cool.

嗯，我不知道耶，就像，我可以坐在這裡，你知道的，跟你們哈拉，然後說，嗯，其實，對，真的很棒。

Like, but in the moment, I wasn't really thinking like, that.

但是當下，我並沒有真的這樣想。

And I think I find the whole sort of like, social experiment of the whole thing really fascinating.

而且我覺得整個，呃，有點像是一個大型的社會實驗，這件事讓我覺得非常著迷。

And I think the way that people interact with pop culture has always been, like, a huge inspiration to my work.

而我認為人們與流行文化互動的方式，一直以來都是我作品的一大靈感來源。

And so for me, this was sort of like, oh, my God, this was like the cherry on the cake of everything I had ever hoped for.

所以對我來說，這就像是，天啊，這簡直是我所有期望的「錦上添花」。

Because it was so interesting to see how people, fans, haters, brands, presidential campaigns were interacting.

因為看到人們、粉絲、酸民、品牌、總統競選活動是如何互動的，這真的很有趣。

Fascinating the way that, yeah, like, trend cycles happen and.

很有趣的是，嗯，像是潮流的循環是如何發生，然後。

And, yeah, it's like, that's always been such interesting fuel for.

而且，對，這一直都是很有趣的動力來源。

I'm fascinated with how people engage with stuff.

我對人們如何與事物互動感到著迷。