Name: 白宮出現撤退跡象！明尼蘇達州殺人案後首度回應！ (White House shows first signs of retreat after MN killing)
Uploaded: 2026-01-27T17:38:38.000Z
Duration: 10 min 46 s

The Trump administration is changing who's in charge of the ongoing immigration crackdown.

川普政府正在改變誰來負責持續的移民鎮壓。

So is this a sign that the president is backing down?

Today, Border Patrol commander at large Greg Bevino.

今天，邊境巡邏總指揮 Greg Bevino。

He's seen here in this archive video throwing a gas canister at protesters last week.

他在這段歷史影像中，可以看到他上週朝抗議者丟擲瓦斯罐。

He's expected to take some of the 3,000 federal agents in the city along with him.

預計他會帶走城裡約 3,000 名聯邦探員中的一部分。

The White House says border czar Tom Homan will take over the operation.

白宮表示，邊境事務沙皇 Tom Homan 將接管這次行動。

For protesters on the ground, Bevino's exit is only a first step.

對於現場的抗議者來說，Bevino 的離開只是第一步。

掃帚不到，灰塵沒法跑，早該如此了。

But I mean, that doesn't mean everything stops.

但我的意思是，這並不代表一切都會停止。

We can't take back what happened before, but

我們無法挽回過去發生的事，但

we're still living in trauma from Renee and countless other people.

我們仍然活在 Renee 和無數其他人造成的創傷裡。

But now we have this, that he came to our community and caused all this damage.

但現在我們面臨的是，他來到我們的社區並造成了這麼大的破壞。

It doesn't just go away because he leaves and then who comes next and what happens next?

這不會因為他離開，然後誰會接手，接下來會發生什麼，就這樣消失。

Joining me now in the group chat, Alex Thompson, CNN political analyst and national political reporter at Axios, Audrey Fahlberg, National Review politics reporter, and

現在加入我們群組聊天室的是 CNN 政治分析師兼 Axios 全國政治記者 Alex Thompson，以及 National Review 政治記者 Audrey Fahlberg，還有

Chuck Rocha, Democratic strategist and former senior adviser to the Bernie Sanders presidential campaigns.

民主黨策略師兼前 Bernie Sanders 總統競選活動資深顧問 Chuck Rocha。

Because we got some signals from the White House.

因為我們從白宮收到了一些訊號。

The president said he had a conversation with Governor Walsh.

總統說他跟州長 Walsh 有談過話。

我相信這中間是有一些對話的。

But what do you think made the administration finally rethink how it was talking about the death of Alex Preddy and the ICE tactics overall?

但你認為是什麼讓政府終於重新思考，他們是如何談論 Alex Preddy 的死以及 ICE 的整體策略的？

Well, because for the first time in probably at least a decade, the politics of immigration are no longer on Trump's side.

嗯，因為至少十年來，移民的政治議題第一次不再是川普的優勢。

He always felt that this was his strongest issue.

他一直覺得這是他最強的議題。

And every poll showed that was the case with the increase.

而且所有民調都顯示，隨著聲勢的增加，情況確實如此。

This is about increasingly over the, over the course of the last year, voters have increasingly soured on the way that Trump has done something polling about this.

這關乎在過去一年裡，越來越多的選民對川普處理這件事的方式感到不滿，關於這點的民調顯示。

The New York Times Sienna poll, how ICE is its job.

紐約時報 Sienna 的民調，ICE 的工作如何。

The number I always look at independence, 70% disapprove.

我一直關注的數字是獨立選民，70% 表示不贊成。

So this was even before this second shooting.

所以這甚至還發生在第二次槍擊案之前。

他們知道這一點，也感覺到了。

And so Trump is now frantically, you also have a looming government shutdown that will happen, at least partial government shutdown that could happen as soon as this weekend unless they can pass some of the DHS bills.

所以川普現在正焦頭爛額，你也知道，政府關門的危機也迫在眉睫，至少部分政府關門可能最快這週末就會發生，除非他們能通過一些國土安全部的法案。

And you need Democratic votes to do that.

而這需要民主黨的支持才能做到。

So the Trump administration is now trying to do all these things via executive actions to try to placate some Democrats.

所以川普政府現在正試圖透過行政命令來做這些事，試圖安撫一些民主黨人。

But Democrats so far have said they're not going to go along with now I had seen the Wall Street Journal editorial board.

但到目前為止，民主黨人表示他們不會配合。我看到華爾街日報的社論版。

You had seen other people sort of come out and say, hey, I think this is backfiring.

你也看到其他人紛紛跳出來說，嘿，我認為這是在適得其反。

But the thing that stuck out to me was Chris Medell.

但讓我印象深刻的是 Chris Medell。

He's a former candidate for Minnesota governor.

他是明尼蘇達州州長的前候選人。

I say former because he has just decided to drop out from the race.

我說前候選人，是因為他剛剛決定退出競選。

And to give people some context, this is the guy who apparently was a lawyer representing the ICE agent who shot Renee Goode.

讓大家有點背景，這個人據說是一位律師，代表了射殺 Renee Goode 的 ICE 探員。

And he thought he was going to then run for office.

他以為自己之後就能競選公職。

Instead, he released this statement on Monday.

結果他在週一發表了這份聲明。

I support the beginning of Operation Metro Surge, the idea of getting rid of the worst of the worst.

我支持「Operation Metro Surge」的開端，也就是清除最惡劣分子的想法。

But it has gone so far beyond that goal that it just got to a point where I just literally cannot support that.

但這已經遠遠超出了那個目標，到了我真的無法支持的地步。

I can't look my daughters in the eye and say, yeah, I'm doing the right thing by continuing this campaign, by being a member of this effort.

我無法看著我的女兒們，跟她們說，沒錯，我繼續這場競選，繼續參與這項行動，是在做對的事情。

There's political ramifications all across the board here, but there's also real life ramifications.

這在各方面都有政治上的影響，但也有真實生活中的影響。

The reason what you're seeing from the White House is because you could say a lot about Donald Trump, and

你們從白宮看到這些的原因，是因為你可以說唐納·川普很多事情，而且

I disagree with a lot of things with Republicans and what they do.

我不同意共和黨人和他們做的很多事情。

But he is politically astute and he understands when poll numbers start sinking around an issue that's very direct.

但他政治上很精明，他知道當民調數字開始因為一個非常直接的問題而下滑時。

And this is, to Alex's point, if you looked at those independent numbers prior to the election, they were upside down when you asked him if they should be deporting criminals or people that were doing bad things.

這就像 Alex 說的，如果你看選舉前的獨立選民數字，當你問他們是否應該驅逐罪犯或做壞事的人時，他們的數字是顛倒的。

70% of independents would have been for that.

But to Alex's point, it's the way that they've implemented that.

但就像 Alex 說的，這是他們執行的方式。

We're not talking about the border being closed.

We're not talking about actually bad people that's been deported.

我們也不是在說實際上的壞人被驅逐出境。

We're talking about what we're seeing in the street with American citizens dying.

我們在談論的是我們在街頭看到的美國公民死亡事件。

Well, I think this is also putting into stark relief are the very real and long existing tensions within the administration about how this deportation strategy is taking place.

嗯，我認為這也讓大家清楚看到，政府內部對於這次驅逐策略的執行方式，一直存在著真實且長期的緊張關係。

So we have people like Noam, Corey Lewandowski, Stephen Miller, who want deportations up as much as possible for their own sake.

所以我們有像 Noam、Corey Lewandowski、Stephen Miller 這樣的人，他們為了自己的利益，希望盡可能增加驅逐人數。

Then we have people like Tom Homan, who is seen by Republicans as more of the adult in the room, you know, controversial among Democrats.

然後我們有像 Tom Homan 這樣的人，共和黨人認為他是比較有腦袋的人，你知道，在民主黨人之間很有爭議。

Of course, we heard folks at Fox repeatedly saying, you know who you should send in?

當然，我們在 Fox 上聽到大家一再說，你知道應該派誰進去嗎？

Pretty shortly after Tom Holman was going in, proof that the president definitely watches a lot of Fox News.

Tom Holman 進去後不久，就證明瞭總統絕對看了很多 Fox News。

But he is, you know, proponent of more of this worse first kind of, you know, focusing on illegal criminal aliens.

但你知道，他是那種比較傾向於這種「先惡後善」的，你知道，專注於非法犯罪外國人。

Excuse me, illegal aliens with a criminal background.

But I think, you know, another thing, there's a tragic, tragic, you know, fatal shooting in and of itself.

不過我認為，你知道，另一件事是，這本身就是一起悲劇、悲劇性的、你知道，致命的槍擊案。

And there's the administration's response to it.

In Nome and State, Stephen Miller accusing Preddy of domestic terrorism was obviously not the right course.

在諾姆和州長那邊，史蒂芬·米勒指控普雷迪犯下國內恐怖主義，顯然不是正確的做法。

It was the Stephen Miller, Kristi Noem response to this because that is how they responded to every controversy over the last year.

這就是史蒂芬·米勒和克莉絲蒂·諾姆對此的回應，因為這就是他們過去一年來應對每一次爭議的方式。

And what's so striking is that this is the administration overruling in some ways, Kristi Noem and Stephen Miller, which they have not done so far this year.

而令人驚訝的是，這是在某種程度上，政府推翻了克莉絲蒂·諾姆和史蒂芬·米勒，而他們今年到目前為止還沒這樣做過。

It appears that there was a meeting with Noem and Trump at the White House and Lewandowski, but

據說諾姆和川普在白宮會面，還有勒萬多夫斯基，但

I don't, I know that they, those two were in the meeting.

我不知道，我知道他們，那兩個人有參加會議。

President Trump says he and Minnesota Governor Tim Walsh are, quote, on the same wavelength.

川普總統說，他和明尼蘇達州州長提姆·沃茲「想法一致」。

They spoke for the first time since federal immigration agents shot and killed two U.S. citizens in Minneapolis.

這是聯邦移民探員在明尼阿波利斯槍殺兩名美國公民後，他們首次通話。

Waltz says he told Trump he needs to reduce the number of federal agents in his state.

沃茲說，他告訴川普，他需要減少他州裡的聯邦探員人數。

And he said he felt a definite change in tone.

他說他感覺到語氣有明顯的轉變。

We've laid out the case that we do the right thing.

我們已經說明瞭我們做對的事情。

But we also recognize that someone coming here to find a better life should be treated with dignity, that Americans shouldn't be fearing for their lives to go out of their house just because of the color of their skin and the atrocities we're seeing.

但我們也明白，來到這裡尋求更好生活的人應該受到尊重，美國人也不應該因為膚色而害怕出門，也不該發生我們看到的這些暴行。

And look, I think Donald Trump understands it, too.

看看，我認為唐納·川普也明白這一點。

I want to talk about this tonal shift from, for both of them.

我想談談他們兩人語氣上的明顯轉變。

First, I think for the longest time I have heard this argument over the last couple of days, especially from conservative and right wing voices that say basically there was a far left organization that kind of put Preddy in harm's way or and turned him into a martyr, that this is all part of a strategy.

首先，我認為過去幾天，我一直聽到這個論點，特別是來自保守派和右翼的聲音，他們基本上說有一個極左組織讓 Preddy 陷入危險，或把他變成烈士，這一切都是策略的一部分。

And can I come to you sort of, are you seeing this as well?

我可以問你嗎？你也看到這個情況了嗎？

And is that starting to fall apart under public scrutiny?

而這在公眾的檢視下開始瓦解了嗎？

And I think the important thing to remember here is when a tragic situation like this happens, our government officials are supposed to tone down the temperature, say this is a tragedy and we're going to investigate the matter.

我認為在這裡要記住的重要一點是，當發生像這樣悲劇性的情況時，我們的政府官員應該緩和氣氛，說這是一場悲劇，我們會調查此事。

That's not really what we saw from people like Noeman Miller, who again accused him of being a Domestic terrorist.

這不是我們從 Noeman Miller 這樣的人身上看到的，他再次指控他是國內恐怖分子。

I think if he had withdrawn his weapon, he did have a concealed carry permit, if he had withdrawn his weapon and, you know, tried to shoot somebody, that would have been a different situation.

我認為如果他收起了武器，他確實有隱蔽持槍許可證，如果他收起了武器，你知道，試圖射擊某人，那將是另一種情況。