Name: 「真夠虛偽！他每天都在丟人現眼。」— 州長夏皮羅談副總統 JD Vance ("Such A Sycophant. He Embarrasses Himself Daily." - Gov. Shapiro On Vice President JD Vance)
Uploaded: 2026-01-27T17:31:57.000Z
Duration: 7 min 13 s

We're here with Governor of Pennsylvania Josh Shapiro.

我們今天請到的是賓州州長 Josh Shapiro。

情態副詞

Initially, the vice president said, after the death of Renee Goode in the hands of an ICE agent, said that these ICE agents enjoy absolute immunity for prosecution by Minnesota officials.

起初，副總統說，在 Renee Goode 死於 ICE 官員之手後，他說這些 ICE 官員享有絕對的豁免權，不受明尼蘇達州官員的起訴。

You were Attorney General of Pennsylvania.

Can the state prosecute an ICE agent or a CBP agent who does this sort of thing?

州政府可以起訴像這樣的 ICE 官員或 CBP 官員嗎？

And what the vice President, who, by the way, I mean, such a sycophant, such a suck up, he, he embarrasses himself daily as he seeks the affirmation of Donald Trump.

而副總統，順帶一提，我是說，他真是個馬屁精，一個巴結鬼，他每天都在尋求 Donald Trump 的認可，讓自己出糗。

He is wrong when he says they have immunity, whether in Mr.

他說他們有豁免權是錯的，無論是在 Preddy 先生的案件中

by the way, I will just tell you as, as a former Attorney general, based only on the available evidence that I've seen, that you've seen, I'm not privy to anything else, I think you could make a very strong case for voluntary manslaughter charges to be brought in the Preddy case.

順帶一提，我會告訴你，身為前檢察長，僅根據我所見、你們所見的現有證據，我沒有接觸其他資訊，我認為你們可以很有力地主張在 Preddy 案中提起過失致死指控。

And I would also argue you could at the very least bring obstruction of justice charges in both cases.

而且我還會主張，至少在這兩起案件中都可以提起妨礙司法公正的指控。

These federal agents are obstructing a state investigation.

這些聯邦官員正在妨礙州級調查。

They have made clear that they would be withholding evidence.

他們已經明確表示會扣留證據。

No one is above the law in this country and no one has absolute immunity.

在這個國家，沒有人凌駕於法律之上，也沒有人享有絕對豁免權。

I don't care what kind of BS JD Vance feels.

我才不管 JD Vance 覺得是什麼鬼話。

We're clearly at a time of momentous change in this country and in the world.

我們顯然正處於這個國家和世界的重大變革時期。

I have lately been thinking about what might be on the other side of this and in what way are we prepared as a country.

我最近一直在想，在這之後會是什麼樣子，以及我們國家為此做好了什麼準備。

It seems clear the Republicans aren't going to stand up to Donald Trump.

顯然共和黨人不會站出來對抗唐納·川普。

There are some sort of rumblings, a lot of anonymous behind closed doors, not exactly profiles and courage.

有一些傳聞，很多都是匿名在幕後進行的，這不是什麼有勇氣的表現。

And the Democrats aren't winning an enormous amount of points from the American people, even from their own followers.

而民主黨人並沒有從美國人民那裡贏得多少支持，甚至連他們自己的追隨者都沒有。

There's a lot of excitement for people like Bernie Sanders or Zoran Mamdani or aoc.

像 Bernie Sanders、Zoran Mamdani 或 aoc 這樣的人，讓大家感到很興奮。

And I don't necessarily think it's over their policies, though.

而且我不認為這完全是關於他們的政策。

I don't have a problem with their policies.

我認為這是因為他們說出了現實。

Yeah, they have the courage to not speak politically and say, this is what's happening.

是的，他們有勇氣不講政治話，而是說「這就是正在發生的事」。

And I'm curious as a notable Democrat who may or may not have her other offices in mind in the future, and

我很好奇，作為一位可能會考慮未來其他職位的著名民主黨人，

we'll get to that in a moment and you'll have an opportunity to say, I have no idea what you're talking about.

我們稍後會談到這個，你也有機會說「我完全不知道你在說什麼」。

All right, so what do you think the proper response is politically here?

好的，所以你認為政治上適當的回應是什麼？

Every single day in Pennsylvania, I talk about gsd, get stuff done.

在賓州，我每天都在談論GSD，把事情做好。

I think what the American people are so desperate for are concrete actions, things that will make their lives better.

我認為美國人民非常渴望的是具體的行動，能讓他們生活更好的事情。

So let's talk about three concrete actions this week to deal with Minnesota.

所以這週我們要談談三個具體的行動來處理明尼蘇達州的事。

Number one, today in a court of law, Minnesota officials are arguing their 10th Amendment rights should be.

第一點，今天在法庭上，明尼蘇達州的官員正在爭辯他們的第十修正案權利應該是。

Stop the federal overreach and get them out of their city.

停止聯邦政府的越權行為，讓他們離開他們的城市。

Number two, the Congress of the United States on Friday has the ability to stand up and stop funding ICE and terminate this mission in Minnesota.

第二點，美國國會在週五有權站出來，停止資助ICE，並終止他們在明尼蘇達州的任務。

Third, it's not just for people with titles next to their name to do this work.

第三點，這不只是有頭銜的人才能做這件事。

我覺得你們大家都有很強大的聲音。

We have begun to see not just people in Minnesota, not just people who hold elected office, but

我們已經開始看到，不只是明尼蘇達州的人，不只是民選官員，

outraged common sense Americans speaking up.

而是那些充滿憤怒、有常識的美國人，都在發聲。

Look at what Steve Kerr, the coach of the Golden State warriors, said yesterday and others.

看看金州勇士隊的教練 Steve Kerr 昨天說了什麼，還有其他人。

The one thing about this president is he is susceptible to public opinion.

關於這位總統，有一件事是肯定的，他很在意大眾的意見。

As much as they may want to foment violence, an excuse to cite the Insurrection act, as much as there's.

儘管他們可能想煽動暴力，找藉口引用《叛亂法》，儘管有這些。

Which is a real danger, it's a real danger.

這是一個真正的危險，它是一個真正的危險。

There's a weird sort of hankering for a civil war by the people who are in support of the actions of ICE and CBP here.

那些支持ICE和CBP行動的人，似乎有點渴望內戰。

This is Americans being abused by their government.

這是美國人被他們的政府欺壓。

We're not actually at arms with each other yet.

But Abraham Lincoln did say at the end of his second inaugural address, he talk about essentially what's going to be on the other side of all of this.

不過亞伯拉罕·林肯在他第二次就職演說的結尾說過，他談到了這一切結束之後，基本上會是什麼樣子。

How do we then heal as a nation and appeal to the better angels of our nature?

我們要如何作為一個國家來療癒，並訴諸我們天性中更美好的部分？

I'm just curious, as a governor who's given some of some thought to this, what do you think is on the other side of our present crisis?

我很好奇，身為一位州長，您對此思考良多，您認為我們目前的危機結束後，會是什麼樣子？

You mean there you go where we keep the light.

你的意思是，在那裡我們保留了光明。

I wrote about this, this grand experiment in American democracy that started in Philadelphia.

我在我的書裡寫過這個，關於美國民主這個始於費城的偉大實驗。

And the brilliance of the founders was while they put a lot of words on paper, important words on paper, their brilliance was that they left it incomplete.

創始人們的聰明之處在於，他們雖然寫了很多重要的文字在紙上，但他們的聰明之處在於他們沒有把它寫死。

They left it to succeeding generations to do the hard work to perfect our union.

他們留給後代去努力完善我們的聯邦。

They left it to succeeding generations to do the hard work, to include more people in our union.

他們留給後代去努力，讓更多人加入我們的聯邦。

And over time in the American story, we have taken steps forward and then we've gotten knocked back a step, and

在美國的歷史長河中，我們曾向前邁進，然後又被擊退一步，

We're getting knocked back a step right now.

But the story of America is ordinary Americans rising up, demanding more, seeking justice, pushing back on excesses and trying to leave this world a little bit better for their kids and their grandchildren and the next generation.

但美國的故事是，普通美國人站起來，要求更多，尋求正義，反抗過度行為，並努力讓這個世界為他們的孩子、孫子和下一代變得更好一點。

This is a moment, yes, where the Congress of the United States needs to be a check on the president, where governors need to be called upon to protect their citizens, but

沒錯，現在是美國國會必須制衡總統的時刻，州長們也需要被呼籲來保護他們的公民，但是

most importantly, where ordinary Americans need to rise up and do the hard work.

最重要的是，普通美國人需要站出來，做這艱難的工作。

And I know that there are people out there, Stephen, that want to pull up the covers, turn off the news.

我知道外面有些人，Stephen，他們想蓋上棉被，關掉新聞。

We got to do this work, and it's on us right now.

我們必須做這件事，現在就看我們的了。

We have to take another break here, but stick around more.

我們在這裡要休息一下，但請繼續收看。

州長 Josh Shapiro，我們回來時會訪問他。