Name: 「政治災難」：Enten 分析 ICE、DHS 為何不受歡迎！ (‘Political disaster’: Enten breaks down ICE, DHS unpopularity)
Uploaded: 2026-01-26T17:15:41.000Z
Duration: 10 min 5 s

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And after this new deadly shooting by ICE agents in Minnesota and a clear and growing backlash to what people are seeing on the videos coming out, there's also new data suggesting that support for the agency is Falling even further.

在 ICE 探員於明尼蘇達州發生這起新的致命槍擊事件後，加上大家看到影片內容後出現明顯且日益增長的強烈反彈，更有新數據顯示對該機構的支持正在進一步下滑。

CNN's Harry Enton is running the numbers on this.

CNN 的 Harry Enton 正在為大家分析這些數字。

Harry, how much has changed in terms of ice and in terms of ice, you know, then versus now?

Harry，就 ICE 來說，還有 ICE 的情況，從過去到現在，到底改變了多少？

Yeah, I'm not really surprised that President Trump is sending Tom Homan in because ice, dhs, Kristi Noem have been a political disaster.

是的，我一點也不意外川普總統會派 Tom Homan 出來，因為 ICE、DHS、Kristi Noem 根本就是一場政治災難。

I mean, ICE's net approval rating during Trump's terms, you go back to term number one, look, it was, it's pretty even zero points.

我的意思是，在川普任期內，ICE 的淨支持率，回到第一任期，看，它差不多就是零點。

That was when all that stuff was going on in Los Angeles, they dropped down.

那時候洛杉磯發生了所有那些事情，支持率就掉了。

But then after Minneapolis, it's even lower, -26.7 points on the net approval rating of ICE.

不過明尼阿波利斯事件之後，數字更低了，ICE 的淨支持率跌到負 26.7 點。

Of course, this all being done under Kristi Noem.

當然，這一切都是在 Kristi Noem 的任期內發生的。

So, no, what's going on in Minneapolis is not popular at all.

所以，明尼阿波利斯發生的事，一點都不受歡迎。

What's been going on during this second term under ice, under the Trump administration under Kristi Noem has very much not been popular and it's only begetting more and more unpopular.

在 Kristi Noem 和川普政府的第二任期內，ICE 的情況非常不受歡迎，而且只會越來越不受歡迎。

So, you know, we're going to start down low.

所以，你知道的，我們會從低點開始。

We'll start with ICE and then we'll raise it to dhs.

我們會先看 ICE，然後再看 DHS。

And again, it's just the same exact story, right?

而且，這又是一個完全相同的故事，對吧？

The Department of Homeland Security during Trump's first term, look where it was in late 2017.

川普第一任期的國土安全部，看看 2017 年底的狀況。

But look at where it is now in Trump term number two.

但看看川普第二任期的現在是什麼狀況。

So this is the same story that we're seeing.

所以這跟我們看到的故事一樣。

No matter which poll question we look at, the popularity of ice, of DHS has completely fallen under the second Trump term.

不管我們看哪個民調問題，ICE、DHS 的受歡迎程度在川普第二任期內完全下滑了。

The second Trump administration was where what we were seeing during Trump's term number one was, hey, ice, dhs, pretty popular, certainly not unpopular.

川普第二任期時，我們在川普第一任期看到的情況是，嘿，ICE、DHS 很受歡迎，絕對不算不受歡迎。

But all the actions in Minneapolis, in Los Angeles, in these major American cities have been very much rejected by the American people.

It has been a political disaster for the second Trump administration.

now, I mean, as Berman was just reading what the President was just sending out, he's now sending in Tom Holman.

His borders are into Minnesota, which leads to questions of what about the leadership of, of The Secretary of Homeland Security, who has inserted herself very publicly to be kind of front and center in all of these operations.

As I said at the top, I just think there's a real reason for it, and

that's because Kristi Noem, simply put, Kate, has not been popular.

And everything she's done for the most part, has not been popular.

I mean, just look at her net approval rating.

到了 2025 年 7 月，是 -11 個百分點。

It's actually gotten more unpopular now at -16 points.

現在的負評更嚴重了，是 -16 個百分點。

I looked at every single poll that has been conducted on Kristi Noem's popularity.

我看過了所有關於 Kristi Noem 受歡迎度的民調。

The net approval rating has been negative.

As I said at the top, Kate, this has been an absolute political disaster for the President of the United States.

就像我一開始說的，Kate，這對美國總統來說是一場徹底的政治災難。

It's not much of a surprise to me if he wants to push Noem to the side.

如果他想把 Noem 擺一邊，我一點也不意外。

And remember, this is one of the things, broadly speaking about immigration and his crackdown of it was something he ran on and won on when it came to the last election.

而且別忘了，這就是其中一件事，廣泛來說，關於移民和他對移民的嚴厲打擊，是他上次選舉時主打的政見，也是他贏得選舉的關鍵。

Let's see what else the President says today.

我們來看看總統今天還會說些什麼。

Harry, These, these numbers really tell a story today.

Harry，這些數字今天真的說明瞭很多故事。

好了，Stephen Collinson 現在加入我。

In your latest analysis on CNN Digital, you write, and

在你最新的 CNN Digital 分析中，你寫道，

I quote, a moment of national reckoning is building over the principles embedded in America's moral and legal foundations which will be extolled this year in celebrations of the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of, of Independence.

我引用，一個關於美國道德和法律基礎原則的全國性清算時刻正在醞釀，這些原則將在今年慶祝《獨立宣言》250週年時被頌揚。

如果可以的話，請稍微詳細說明一下。

Yeah, I think what we're seeing here is a classic American clash between federal and state power.

對，我認為我們在這裡看到的是聯邦與州權力之間一場典型的美國衝突。

These scenes would be particularly shocking anywhere in the world.

這些景象在世界任何地方都會讓人非常震驚。

The fact they're taking place in the United States adds another dimension.

它們發生在美國，這又增添了另一層意義。

First of all, although this incident does not affect the lives of hundreds of millions of Americans, despite the wide scope of the immigration crackdown, everyone can see it on their phones.

首先，雖然這起事件並沒有影響到數億美國人的生活，儘管移民鎮壓的範圍很廣，但每個人都可以在手機上看到。

And everyone can see that the federal government, the Trump administration, is not telling the truth about what happened.

而且每個人都看得出來，聯邦政府，川普政府，並沒有說出事實真相。

The second one is there's something particular in the American political psyche, I think, about this tussle between federal and state power.

第二個是，我認為美國政治心理中，對於聯邦與州權力之間的這種拉鋸戰，有某種特別之處。

It goes right back to the founding of the United States.

這可以追溯到美國的建國之初。

ICE agents appear to be infringing, in some ways, the Fourth Amendment, which is about unreasonable search of someone's home.

ICE 探員在某些方面，似乎侵犯了第四修正案，也就是關於對個人住宅進行不合理搜查的規定。

That was one of the fundamental issues that led to the American Revolution with British troops coming into Americans homes.

這也是導致美國革命的根本問題之一，當時英軍進入美國人的住宅。

So this is something that is very sensitive.

You're seeing a lot of concern, I think, not just among Democrats, a very progressive state of Minnesota, but

我認為大家都很擔心，不只是進步派的明尼蘇達州民主黨人，

among Republican Republicans, about this attempt by the Trump administration to impose ruthless and unaccountable federal power on a state.

還有共和黨人，對於川普政府試圖對一個州施加殘酷且不負責的聯邦權力。

And I think that is one of the reasons why this is going to have political ramifications.

我認為這也是為什麼這件事會有政治影響的原因之一。

There are, of course, conflicting accounts of what happened playing out here.

當然，這裡有各種相互衝突的說法。

And these, of course, do very much play into the issue of public trust, correct?

這些說法當然非常影響公眾信任，對吧？

And I think if you look at the first one of these incidents, the killing of Renee Goode less than three weeks ago in Minnesota, the administration did the same thing.

我認為如果你看看這類事件中的第一起，也就是不到三週前在明尼蘇達州發生的 Renee Goode 被殺事件，政府當時也做了同樣的事。

When something happens, they immediately come out and call someone a domestic terrorist.

發生事情時，他們立刻跳出來，稱某人為國內恐怖分子。

They argue that the federal officers who are trying to enforce immigration law were threatened, and

他們聲稱，那些試圖執行移民法的聯邦官員受到了威脅，

then it emerges that it appears they weren't.

然後卻發現，似乎他們並沒有受到威脅。

And everyone can see that from these multiangle videos.

而且每個人都可以從這些多角度的影片中看到這一點。

There's no expectation, I think, that the government is going to tell the truth about this, as Andrew McCabe said.

我認為，就像 Andrew McCabe 說的，大家並不期待政府會說出真相。

I think you could also argue that the way they handled the first incident with the killing of Renee Goode clearly did not send a message to these federal agents from out of state on the streets that they should act with some restraint.

我認為你也可以說，他們處理 Renee Goode 被殺的第一起事件的方式，顯然沒有向這些來自外州的聯邦官員傳達訊息，讓他們在街上有所剋制。

You know, anyone can see that what the administration said about this, that he was showing up to massacre police, doesn't seem to be the truth when they actually see it unfold with their own eyes.

你知道，任何人都可以看到，政府關於此事的說法，說他出現是要屠殺警察，當他們親眼看到事情的發展時，這似乎並不是真的。

But, you know, this is an administration that's never really told the truth.

但是，你知道，這個政府從來沒有真正說過實話。

Trump has documented, you know, as having uttered thousands of falsehoods over his 10 years since he came on the national stage.

川普在他登上國家舞臺的這十年來，據記載，說過成千上萬的謊言。

Stephen, while I've got you, I do want to explore the following.

Stephen，既然我還有機會訪問你，我確實想探討以下內容。

There's an interesting angle to this story involving the right to carry a gun.

這個故事有一個有趣的面向，涉及到持槍權。

This is a right enshrined in the Second Amendment that Trump and many of his followers staunchly support.

這是第二修正案保障的一項權利，川普和他的許多支持者都堅決支持。

Here's what the chief of the border forces had to say about that issue.

邊境部隊指揮官對這個問題是這麼說的。

We respect that Second Amendment right, but those rights don't.

我們尊重第二修正案的權利，但這些權利不行。

Those rights don't count when you riot and assault, delay, obstruct and impede law enforcement officers.

當你暴動、攻擊、延誤、阻礙和妨礙執法人員時，這些權利就無效了。

It's too bad the consequences had to be paid because he injected himself into that crime scene.

他把自己捲入那個犯罪現場，結果得付出代價，這真是太可惜了。

What are people making of those caveats just presented there around the right to carry a gun in this situation?

大家對剛才提出的關於這種情況下持槍權的這些保留意見有什麼看法？

Well, it's turning a lot of the normal political dialogues on their head and showing somewhat hypocrisy from some of the people in the central government.

嗯，這讓許多正常的政治對話都顛倒了，也顯示了中央政府裡有些人有點虛偽。

Alex Preddy had the right to carry a gun, as any American does in Minnesota.

Alex Preddy 和所有明尼蘇達州的美國人一樣，有權攜帶槍枝。

He also had the right to carry a concealed weapon.