Name: 喬魯岡將 ICE 的策略比喻為「蓋世太保」！ (Joe Rogan compares ICE tactics to ‘the Gestapo’)
Uploaded: 2026-01-14T17:18:54.000Z
Duration: 11 min 1 s

Here is how podcaster Joe Rogan described it.

podcaster Joe Rogan 是這樣形容的。

情態副詞

You don't want militarized people in the streets just roaming around, snatching people up, many of which turn out to actually be U.S.

你不希望街上有軍事化的人在 roaming，隨便 snatching people up，而這些人很多其實是美國公民。

They just don't have their papers on them.

我們真的要變成蓋世太保了嗎？

我們真的淪落到這個地步了嗎？

That has also become a big part of this so called enforcement.

這也成了所謂執法中很大的一部分。

I mean, Minneapolis is not a huge place, okay?

我說，明尼亞波利斯不是個大城市，好嗎？

And they are absorbing thousands of federal officers, more than any other deployment that they've done so far.

而且他們正在吸收數千名聯邦官員，這比他們目前為止的任何一次部署都多。

And we are seeing these encounters where you're seeing federal officers, maybe ICE agents, maybe border patrol, walking down the street, stopping people sometimes because they look Somali or they look brown or whatever it is.

而且我們看到這些遭遇，你看到聯邦官員，可能是 ICE 官員，可能是邊境巡邏，走在街上，有時候因為他們看起來像索馬利亞人，或者他們膚色較深者，或者任何原因而攔下人。

This is according to those people who were stopped and asking them, where are your papers?

這是根據那些被攔下的人說的，問他們，你的證件呢？

And Americans like Joe Rogan are concerned about it.

而且像 Joe Rogan 這樣的美國人對此感到擔憂。

And I think part of it is, look, Joe Rogan's identity does not depend on defending Donald Trump and his administration doing things that are indefensible.

我認為一部分原因是，看看，Joe Rogan 的身分認同並不取決於辯護 Donald Trump 和他的政府做那些無可辯護的事情。

And I see people all the time mending themselves on tv, mending themselves into all sorts of pretzel shape because.

而且我經常看到人們在電視上改變自己，扭曲自己變成各種奇怪的樣子，因為。

Because they subsist from being a Trump supporter.

因為他們靠當 Trump 的支持者維生。

Joe Rogan, I think, is speaking out of conviction, is speaking out of what he is seeing.

我認為 Joe Rogan 是出於信念在發聲，是出於他所見所聞在發聲。

And I think it's reflective of what a lot of Americans feel right now.

我覺得這也反映了很多美國人現在的心情。

People are showing up at the streets because they are pissed off at what is happening in our country.

人們走上街頭，是因為他們對我們國家正在發生的事情感到非常憤怒。

It is heartbreaking to see these images in America.

看到美國出現這些景象，真的讓人心碎。

We are the country that's supposed to be an example for the rest of the world.

我們國家 supposed to be 是世界的榜樣。

the things that are happening in our streets are the type of things that happen in these third world countries.

我們街頭發生的事情，是那些第三世界國家才會發生的事。

And they do bring all sorts of bad memories when you see these masked men targeting people.

當你看到這些戴著面具的男人在針對特定人群時，會勾起各種不好的回憶。

I mean, we remember the woman who got pulled out of the street in Boston by masked men.

我記得在波士頓，有個女人被戴著面具的男人從街上拖走。

We have seen pregnant women drag in in Minnesota.

我們在明尼蘇達州看到有孕婦被拖走。

We saw two young teenagers who were working at Target like so many of our children do.

我們看到兩名年輕的青少年，就像我們很多孩子一樣，在Target工作。

American citizens have a job while going to school, being pulled out while screaming, I'm a US Citizen.

美國公民在讀書期間有工作，卻在尖叫著「我是美國公民」時被拖走。

Because they look Latino and they were Latino.

因為他們看起來像拉丁裔，而且他們就是拉丁裔。

That is un American and unacceptable and good for Joe Rogan for standing up and denouncing it.

這是反美國的，不可接受的，很高興Joe Rogan挺身而出並譴責它。

More of Trump supporters, if they want him to be a good president, should be doing the Same.

更多川普的支持者，如果他們希望他成為一位好總統，也應該做同樣的事。

Let me play what he said about the Renee Goode video that we've been discussing.

讓我來播放他對我們一直在討論的Renee Goode影片說了什麼。

聽著，這很複雜，很明顯，但是

it's also very ugly to watch someone shoot a US Citizen, especially a woman, in the face.

看著有人朝美國公民的臉開槍，尤其是女人，這也很醜陋。

When people say it's justifiable because the car hit him.

當人們說這是正當的，因為車子撞了他。

It seemed like she was kind of turning the car away.

感覺她好像有點把車子轉開了。

Now, Jo, what was really striking to me about this Quinnipiac poll, 53% said it was unjustified for the ICE agent to shoot Renee Goode.

現在，Jo，這份Quinnipiac民調讓我很驚訝的是，53%的人認為ICE官員槍擊Renee Goode是不正當的。

But I was also really surprised by how this has penetrated.

但我也對這件事的影響力感到非常驚訝。

82% of registered voters say they saw that video.

82%的登記選民表示他們看過那段影片。

So you're talking almost universal impressions of what happened there.

所以你講的是，幾乎所有人都對那裡發生的事有印象。

Is it, I don't know, are Republicans misreading the situation or risking misreading the situation?

是，我不知道，共和黨人是不是誤判了情況，或者冒著誤判情況的風險？

Look, if anyone saw the last segment, right, I had no problem defending the officer, and

聽著，如果有人看了上一段，對吧，我沒有問題為這位官員辯護，而且

I think Joe Rogan's factually wrong about his assessment.

我認為Joe Rogan的評估在事實上是錯的。

But I am a big Joe Rogan fan and I listen all the time.

但我是Joe Rogan的大粉絲，我一直都在聽。

And he is really emblematic of one of the most successful things Trump did in the campaign.

而且他確實是川普在競選中最成功的策略之一的縮影。

It was to engage podcasters and win a lot of people who listen to that type of forum.

那就是與 podcaster 互動，贏得許多收聽這類論壇的人。

I have a conversation in my head with Joe Rogan for hours every week.

我每週都會在腦海中與 Joe Rogan 對話好幾個小時。

So when I hear him challenging something that I believe or gut reaction to something, I actually listen to him.

所以當我聽到他挑戰我所相信的某件事，或是我對某件事的第一反應時，我真的會聽進去。

So I do think this is a problem for Trump because I think he is a very good barometer of where people stand.

所以我覺得這對川普來說是個問題，因為我認為他是一個很好的指標，可以衡量人們的立場。

Again, this instance, he might be factually wrong on.

再說一次，這次他可能在事實上是錯的。

But he is a good barometer of where a lot of Trump supporters are.

但他確實是衡量許多川普支持者想法的好指標。

You know, they have the Waffle House indicator for a hurricane.

你知道，他們有華夫餅屋指標來預測颶風。

Like if the Waffle House is closed, there might be, there should be a Joe Rogan indicator.

就像如果華夫餅屋關閉了，可能會有，應該會有一個 Joe Rogan 指標。

With us now, CNN political commentators Karen Phinney and David Urban and friends.

現在跟我們一起的是 CNN 政治評論員 Karen Phinney 和 David Urban 以及朋友們。

What I'd like to do is not relitigate the video or the events.

我想做的是不要重提那個影片或那些事件。

I actually want to talk about how they're landing in comments like the ones David just made by Joe Rogan, who seems to be saying, I support the president's immigration effort.

我其實想談談他們如何回應像 David 剛剛提到的 Joe Rogan 的評論，他好像在說，我支持總統的移民政策。

Notionally, I do not like what I'm seeing on the ground, though.

概念上，雖然我不喜歡我在現場看到的。

He seems to be saying, how pervasive do you think that opinion is?

他好像在說，你認為這種觀點有多普遍？

Yeah, John, listen, I think it is very pervasive, right.

是的，John，聽著，我認為這非常普遍，對。

Americans overwhelmingly voted, one of the president's strongest suits.

美國人壓倒性地投票，這是總統最強的政績之一。

Americans overwhelmingly voted for this president.

美國人壓倒性地投票支持這位總統。

If you look at the Numbers and reasons given to secure the border and crack down on kind of the sieve that was the border under the Biden administration.

如果你看看數字和理由，就知道在拜登政府時期，如何確保邊境安全並打擊那個像篩子一樣的邊境。

And this administration effectively sealed that border up and did that.

而這個政府有效地封鎖了邊境，並做到了。

And then the president promised to go after the bad hombres and the drug dealers and get those people out of America.

然後總統承諾要對付那些壞蛋和毒販，把那些人趕出美國。

And, you know, there's a lot of support for that in America.

而且，你知道，這在美國有很大的支持度。

It bears out that people do not want to see what you're seeing on your screen right now.

They do not want to hear what Joe Rogan is saying.

They don't want to see masked men geared up like Delta Force walking down the streets of America asking people for their papers, throwing them on the ground, zip tying.

People who are doing Sheetrock, you know, gardeners, nannies.

這證實了大家都不想看到你現在螢幕上出現的畫面。

他們也不想聽 Joe Rogan 在說什麼。

And so it is really hurting this president in the numbers on an area where he was strongest on immigration strongest.

他們不想看到像 Delta Force 一樣全副武裝的蒙面男子走在美國街頭，向民眾索要證件，把人摔倒在地，用束帶綁起來。

像是做輕隔間的、園丁、保姆這些人。

President Obama deported lots of folks, but he did it in a completely different way.

歐巴馬總統驅逐了很多人，但他採取的做法完全不同。

The Obama administration grabbed lots of folks who just came across the border, people who were, who were.

歐巴馬政府抓了許多剛越過邊境的人，那些人是、是。

Who hadn't really integrated themselves in the communities, hadn't become people's neighbors.

那些還沒有真正融入社區、還沒成為別人鄰居的人。

And, you know, surprisingly or not surprisingly, people don't like it when ICE shows up in their neighborhood and take away people that they have relationships with.

而且，令人驚訝或不令人驚訝的是，當 ICE 出現在社區裡，帶走他們認識的人時，人們並不喜歡。

The Obama administration was very effective because they snatched people people didn't really know.

歐巴馬政府非常有效，因為他們抓走的是人們不太認識的人。

And in this case, neighborhoods see this happening and they don't like it.

而在這個例子中，鄰居們看到這種情況發生，他們不喜歡。

So I think the tactics need to be addressed.

所以我認為這些策略需要被檢討。

我的意思是，這只是事實陳述。

Well, you don't even know what I'm about to say, David, so why don't you let me talk.

嗯，你根本不知道我接下來要說什麼，David，所以為什麼不讓我說呢。

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