Name: 南非男性遭誘騙，捲入俄烏戰爭？｜DW新聞 (Are South African men being lured into fighting Russia's war in Ukraine? | DW News)
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Are South African men being lured into fighting Russia's war in Ukraine?

南非男子是否被誘騙去打俄羅斯的烏克蘭戰爭？

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The Zuma family is at the center of a scandal where the former President Jacob Zuma's daughter is accused of tricking a group of men into joining Russia's war in Ukraine.

祖瑪家族捲入一樁醜聞，前總統雅各布·祖瑪的女兒被指控欺騙一群男子加入俄羅斯的烏克蘭戰爭。

South African police are investigating the claims.

President Cyril Ramaphosa's office confirmed it received distress calls from 17 South African men who say they were sent to the frontline in Ukraine without their consent.

總統西里爾·拉馬福薩辦公室證實，已接到17名南非男子的求助電話，他們聲稱在未經同意的情況下被派往前線作戰。

And in a separate case, five others have been arrested on suspicion they were planning to travel to Russia as mercenaries.

另外，還有五人因涉嫌計劃以僱傭兵身份前往俄羅斯而被捕。

We'll get some analysis in a moment, but first this report from our correspondent Diane Hawker in Johannesburg.

我們稍後會請專家分析，但首先是我們駐約翰尼斯堡記者黛安·霍克的報導。

The daughter of former South African President Jacob Zuma accused of recruiting young men to fight in the ongoing Russia Ukraine war.

南非前總統雅各布·祖瑪的女兒被指控招募年輕男子參與正在進行的俄羅斯烏克蘭戰爭。

South African law prohibits citizens from fighting for foreign armies without government authorization.

南非法律禁止公民未經政府授權為外國軍隊作戰。

The accusation has resulted in Duduzile Zuma Sambudla stepping down from her position as member of Parliament in the Mkondowe Sizwe Party.

這項指控導致杜杜齊勒·祖瑪·桑佈德拉辭去她在Mkondowe Sizwe 黨的國會議員職務。

The party headed by Jacob Zuma is the third largest in South Africa and is the official opposition to to the governing coalition.

雅各布·祖瑪領導的政黨是南非第三大黨，也是執政聯盟的官方反對黨。

The person accusing Zuma Sambudla is her own half sister, Ngosazana Zuma Mnube has laid an official complaint with police and alleges that at least eight of her own family members were taken to Russia.

指控祖瑪·桑佈德拉的人是她的同父異母妹妹恩戈薩扎納·祖瑪·姆努貝，她已向警方提出正式申訴，並聲稱她至少有八名家人被帶往俄羅斯。

Sambudla Zuma denies tricking the men into fighting in Russia and has agreed to cooperate with the police investigation.

祖瑪·桑佈德拉否認欺騙這些男子前往俄羅斯作戰，並已同意配合警方調查。

The South African government has confirmed that at least 17 men were taken to Russia since July.

南非政府已證實，自七月以來，至少有十七名男子被帶往俄羅斯。

They are believed to be fighting as part of Russian forces in the Donbas region, a key territorial target for Russia.

據信他們正作為俄羅斯軍隊的一部分，在頓巴斯地區作戰，這是俄羅斯的一個關鍵領土目標。

The men's families have told local media that they were tricked into joining the conflict with promises of bodyguard jobs in the MK party.

這些男子的家人告訴當地媒體，他們被騙加入衝突，並被承諾在MK黨擔任保鏢職位。

Jacob Zuma has long had ties to Russia, having traveled to the country on several occasions for medical treatment.

雅各布·祖瑪長期以來與俄羅斯有聯繫，曾多次前往該國接受醫療治療。

DW has seen a letter purportedly written by Zuma in which he tries to negotiate the release of the men.

DW看到一封據稱是祖瑪寫的信，他在信中試圖談判釋放這些男子。

In the letter, Zuma says the party facilitated the journey of 18 men to Russia to receive advanced military training.

信中，祖瑪表示該黨協助十八名男子前往俄羅斯接受先進軍事訓練。

He asked that the men be withdrawn from the combat zone.

他要求將這些男子從戰區撤離。

The party has distanced itself from the scandal Ecuador sees where the party is not involved in the Russia Ukraine matter affecting these young people.

該黨已與厄瓜多看到的醜聞劃清界線，該黨並未涉及影響這些年輕人的俄烏事務。

Our next step as national officials is to engage the families and explain our position as a party.

身為國家官員，我們的下一步是與家屬接觸，並解釋我們黨的立場。

In a separate case, another five people have been arrested in a similar recruitment scandal.

在另一宗案件中，有五人因類似的招募醜聞被捕。

Two of the group are believed to have been recruiters, while the other three were allegedly on their way to Russia.

據信其中兩人是招募者，而另外三人據稱正前往俄羅斯。

They all face charges of contravening the Regulation of Foreign Military Assistance Act.

他們都面臨違反《外國軍事援助法規條例》的指控。

What is important is that for one to be able to go fight a war that is not with their own country, there are certain processes that need to be followed and those were not followed.

重要的是，若要能夠去打一場與自己國家無關的戰爭，必須遵循某些程序，而這些程序並未被遵循。

The group will apply for bail on 8 December.

該團體將於 12 月 8 日申請保釋。

Police are still investigating whether the two matters are linked.

警方仍在調查這兩起事件是否有關聯。

And Diane Hawker, who filed that report, gave us more details on that story from Johannesburg.

而撰寫該報導的黛安·霍克，為我們從約翰尼斯堡提供了更多關於此事的細節。

Jacob Zuma's daughter, Duduzile Zuma Sambudla, is at the very centre of the controversy.

雅各布·祖瑪的女兒杜杜齊勒·祖瑪·桑佈德拉，正處於這場爭議的中心。

She's given police an affidavit in which she denies being the mastermind of the scheme, but

她已向警方提交一份宣誓書，否認自己是該計畫的主謀，

instead says that she was duped by an unscrupulous recruiter.

反而聲稱自己被一名不道德的招募者欺騙了。

In addition to the charges laid by her sister, the Democratic alliance with the second largest party in South Africa has filed criminal charges against her with police.

除了她妹妹提出的指控外，南非第二大黨民主聯盟也已向警方對她提出刑事指控。

They say that she could have contravened several sections of the Regulation of Foreign Military Assistance Act.

他們表示，她可能已違反了《外國軍事援助法規條例》的幾項條款。

The act prohibits anyone from recruiting people into mercenary activity and it also prohibits anyone from joining or offering military assistance to another state.

該法規禁止任何人招募人員從事傭兵活動，同時也禁止任何人加入或向他國提供軍事援助。

The offences in this act are punishable by imprisonment, a fine or both.

該法規中的罪行可處以監禁、罰款或兩者兼施。

There are, of course, questions about whether former President Jacob Zuma knew anything about this.

當然，大家都在質疑前總統雅各布·祖瑪是否對此事知情。

In a press conference that he attended on 28 November, MK party leaders seem to suggest that they do know the men who traveled to Russia, but

在他於 11 月 28 日出席的一場記者會上，MK 黨領導人似乎暗示他們確實認識那些前往俄羅斯的人，

said that they would be speaking to their families to clarify the party's position.

但表示他們會與家屬溝通以釐清黨的立場。

I asked the MK Party about the letter that appears to have been penned by Zuma and the party said that its position remains unchanged, that it has nothing to do with the matter.

我詢問 MK 黨關於那封看似由祖瑪撰寫的信件，黨表示立場不變，與此事無關。

To get more of an analytical perspective, we've invited Sanusha Naidu onto the program.

為了獲得更深入的分析觀點，我們邀請了 Sanusha Naidu 來到節目。

She is a foreign policy expert based in Cape Town.

她是位常駐開普敦的外交政策專家。

Sanusha, I just want to begin by you perhaps telling us about how serious this case is.

Sanusha，我想先請妳告訴我們這個案子有多嚴重。

Good day to you and good day to the viewers.

It does take a lot of precedence because it is.

這件事確實非常重要，因為它關係到。

The implication is that the daughter of Jacob Zuma, who's also a member of the Mkonte Sizo Party, is being allegedly implicated in this issue around the recruitment of these individuals to Russia.

這意味著雅各布·祖瑪的女兒，同時也是 Mkonte Sizo 黨的一員，據稱捲入了招募這些人前往俄羅斯的事件中。

But it's also very serious in a sense that we have a law in South Africa legislated in the 90s where it prevents this kind of foreign recruitment in terms of preventing what has happened in the context of those that were after 94, that went into private armies, private security companies, and

但這也非常嚴重，因為南非在 90 年代立法了一項法律，禁止這種外國招募，以防止 94 年後發生的事情，那些人加入了私人軍隊、私人安保公司，

they got recruited into different types of activities abroad.

然後他們被招募到國外從事各種活動。

So this Foreign Military act or Foreign Liabilities act that we have is essentially linked to preventing these kinds of issues happening.

所以我們現有的這項外國軍事援助法規條例，或稱外國責任法規條例，基本上是為了防止這類事件發生。

What has also transpired in the last couple of days is the resignation of Ms.

過去幾天也發生的事情是，黛安·霍克女士辭去了國會的國際關係委員會職務，當然，也包括了她身為國會議員的職務。

Dudu Zuma Sambrula from the International Relations Committee in Parliament and of course, as well as in terms of an MP in Parliament.

這確實有很大的影響，因為她不僅在國際關係委員會，

And that does have big implications because she was in the International Relations Committee, but

同時也是前總統的女兒，而且她還有三個兄弟姐妹，現在基本上對她採取了某種法律行動。

also being the daughter of the former president and then of course, she has three siblings, that has now basically instituted some kind of legal action against her.

然後，當然，今天我們聽說他們也聯繫了國會國際關係委員會的主席來介入。

And then, of course, today we hear that they've also contacted the head of the International Relations Committee in Parliament to intervene.

所以這絕對是一個備受關注的問題，國內的架構也肯定會密切關注。

So it is definitely an issue that has attention and definitely will have eyes on it in the domestic architecture.

那麼，太陽，前總統雅各布·祖瑪本人在這件事中到底有多大程度的涉入，他與俄羅斯的關係又如何呢？

And Sunusha, to what extent has the former president himself, Jacob Zuma, been involved in this matter and what can be said about his ties to Russia?

嗯，我們在媒體上聽到的不多。

Well, we haven't heard much in the media space.

I don't know whether this issue has actually actually been ventilated in terms of the response.

我不知道這個問題實際上是否已經被充分討論過，關於回應的部分。

But I think he's also battling his own legal issues.

但我認為他自己也面臨著一些法律上的問題。

說真的，其中一個問題就是這週。

I think it may have been today that he had to reappear.

He's actually challenging a case against him where he's been asked to by the court ruling that he has to pay back some of the legal fees because it cannot be transferred to the state to cover his legal costs.

他實際上正在對一項針對他的訴訟提出上訴，因為法院裁定他必須償還部分法律費用，因為這些費用不能轉嫁給國家來支付他的法律開銷。

So he's actually taking that decision on appeal.

所以他實際上正在對這項裁決提出上訴。

So he's got his own legal battles that he's also fighting and trying to navigate through.

所以他有自己的法律戰要打，並且試圖去克服。

And of course, you know, we also heard of another resignation in the party of another individual again yesterday.

當然，你知道，我們昨天也聽說黨內又有另一位人士辭職了。

So I think in terms of him and how this response is, it's difficult to extrapolate because we haven't heard that.

所以我想就他以及這個回應而言，很難推斷，因為我們沒有聽到相關消息。

But in terms of his ties with Russia, I think, you know, we kind of assume that he continues to have ties with Russia, but

但就他與俄羅斯的關係而言，我想，你知道，我們大概可以假設他仍然與俄羅斯有聯繫，但是

I think this issue now actually takes it out of that, that kind of ecosystem.

我覺得這件事現在實際上已經脫離了那種生態圈。

And ambit, I think this is really about what happens to those 17 and maybe others that have been recruited.

而野心，我認為這真的關乎那17個人以及可能被招募的其他人的遭遇。

And then of course, the four that were on way to wherever and they were basically stopped at the international airport in Johannesburg.

然後當然，那四個人本來是要去某處的，他們在約翰尼斯堡的國際機場被攔了下來。

So these are things I think will probably fall outside of whether that relationship that he has with Russia will kind of underscore whatever comes out of this situation.

所以我想這些事情大概會獨立於他與俄羅斯的關係之外，而這種關係是否會加強這場情況的任何結果。

The democratic alliance, or da, which is the second biggest party in South Africa's coalition government.

民主聯盟，也就是DA，是南非聯合政府中第二大的政黨。

It accuses the ANC of being silent on this matter.

And as a result of that, it says the ANC is tacitly supporting Russia's war in Ukraine.

是以，它說ANC是在默許支持俄羅斯在烏克蘭的戰爭。

Is it true that the ANC's closeness to Russia poses a security risk for South Africa, as the DA says it does?

ANC與俄羅斯的親近關係是否如DA所說，對南非構成了安全風險？

I think sometimes the DA overplays these issues.

我覺得DA有時候會過度渲染這些議題。

If you have been looking at South Africa, Russia relations, it's not necessarily one that has created this whole kind of specter that the DA will pursue.

如果你一直關注南非與俄羅斯的關係，這不一定會造成DA所追求的這種全面性的陰影。

I think the DA has also been silent on certain issues when it comes to conflict globally.

我覺得DA在處理全球衝突時，對某些議題也保持沉默。

And one could actually then turn the foot, turn the shoe onto the other foot for the da.

所以，我們其實可以把球踢回去給DA。

So I think we have to be careful on how this plays out.

是以，我認為我們必須謹慎看待這件事的發展。

There have been media reports of a number of African nationals from different countries being recruited to fight for Russia in the war in Ukraine.

有媒體報導指出，有數名來自不同國家的非洲國民被招募，為俄羅斯在烏克蘭的戰爭而戰。

Have you made any observations about Russia's recruitment strategies in Africa and its broader geopolitical ambitions?

您對俄羅斯的招募策略在非洲的運用及其更廣泛的地緣政治野心有什麼觀察嗎？

I do want to say that this is definitely something that the African Union needs to take into consideration.

我確實想說，這絕對是非洲聯盟需要考慮的事情。

It needs to be much more effective in what kind of engagements it has, but

它需要更有效地處理各種接觸，但是

also to work with regional economic communities and regional blocs like your ecowas, your sadc, and

也要與區域經濟共同體和區域集團合作，像是ECOWAS、SADC，以及

of course others like the EAC and commesa, because this is now going to have a very important implication.

當然還有EAC和COMESA等，因為這將會產生非常重要的影響。

Because at the end of the day, we cannot afford to have this kind of recruitment drive happening.

因為說到底，我們無法承受這種招募行動的發生。

Whether it's happening at the level of the state or outside of the state.

無論是發生在國家層級，還是國家層級之外。

俄羅斯國家層級，我們不知道。

But what we need to be much more clear about is what is being done on the African side to actually mitigate these risks.

但我們需要更清楚的是，非洲方面正在採取哪些措施來實際減輕這些風險。

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