Name: 介紹匯聚，領導力與創新力的結合 (Introducing Converge, where leadership meets innovation)
Uploaded: 2025-10-13T07:25:52.000Z
Duration: 12 min 30 s

This is Converge, a brand new platform which brings together global business leaders, entrepreneurs and change makers to inspire smart solutions for growth.

這是 Converge，一個匯集全球商業領袖、企業家和變革者，激發智慧成長解決方案的全新平臺。

未來進行式

We'll be exploring opportunities at the intersection of innovation, investment, sustainability and leadership with influential figures from the worlds of business, sport and entertainment.

我們將探索創新、投資、永續發展和領導力交匯點的機會，與來自商業、體育和娛樂界的意見領袖一同交流。

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Coming up, Sustainability pioneer Stella McCartney talks leading change in the fashion industry.

緊接著，永續發展先驅 Stella McCartney 將分享她在時尚產業領導變革的經驗。

I'm definitely a half glass full type of character and so I have belief that we can do it.

我絕對是個樂觀的人，所以我相信我們做得到。

One of the so called godfathers of AI puts pressure on world leaders.

其中一位 AI 教父級人物向世界領袖施壓。

We're on track to build machines that have most of the cognitive abilities of humans and intelligence gives power.

我們正朝著建造擁有大部分人類認知能力的機器邁進，而智慧賦予力量。

And musician and activist Sir Bob Geldof on mentor the next generation.

音樂家兼社會運動家 Sir Bob Geldof 將分享如何指導下一代。

Intellectuals rarely make good leaders because they play the mental intellectual game of being able to entertain several opposing opinions.

知識分子很少能成為好的領導者，因為他們擅長在腦中玩弄各種對立的觀點。

But first, we explore the importance of collaboration with Nile Rogers and Sir Richard Branson.

但首先，我們要和 Nile Rogers 和 Sir Richard Branson 一起探討合作的重要性。

The music legend and business mogul recently announced a partnership but between their respective charitable organizations to help promote youth leadership and social change.

這兩位音樂傳奇人物和商業鉅子最近宣佈了他們各自慈善機構之間的合作夥伴關係，以幫助推動青年領導力和社會變革。

I caught up with the duo in London for an exclusive conversation.

我到倫敦和這兩位巨頭進行了一次獨家對談。

You're announcing the partnership between Virgin Unite and the We Are Family Foundation.

你們要宣佈的是 Virgin Unite 和 We Are Family Foundation 之間的合作夥伴關係。

When we were, when we were young, we were both fighting for different causes, so.

當我們年輕的時候，我們都在為不同的理念奮鬥，所以。

Although I suspect he was fighting for the same cause as well.

雖然我猜他當時也是為了相同的理念而奮鬥。

I left school age 15 to start a magazine to campaign against the war.

我十五歲就離校創辦了一本雜誌，來反對這場戰爭。

And in the meantime, over in America, I was in many, many anti war organizations.

同時，在美國那邊，我加入了許多許多反戰組織。

And then I found myself in the Black Panther Party in New York City.

然後我發現自己身在紐約市的黑豹黨。

We started the Breakfast for Children program which wound up being adopted all across America.

我們發起了「兒童早餐計畫」，這個計畫後來被全美國採納。

So J. Edgar Hoover said that we were the greatest threat to American society.

於是，J. Edgar Hoover 說我們是美國社會最大的威脅。

And next thing you know, every school in America was doing that.

接著，美國的每間學校都在這麼做。

Our organization basically focuses on you.

我們的組織基本上是以你為中心。

And we believe that the youth of the world are the leaders of tomorrow and they're the leaders of today.

我們相信，全世界的年輕人就是未來的領袖，也是今天的領袖。

我們有一個組織，叫做「長老會」。

We have another organization called the New now, which is basically a group of young leaders, young version of the elders.

我們還有另一個組織叫做「新現在」，基本上是一群年輕的領袖，是長老會的年輕版本。

And they are then finding another 10 young people around the world who can become the leaders of the future every year and training them to step into positions of power one day.

他們每年會在世界各地找出另外 10 位年輕人，讓他們成為未來的領袖，並訓練他們有一天能進入權力職位。

And they're as bright as, you know, as us too.

They're obviously young, healthy, they're capable of anything.

他們都很年輕、健康，而且能力非凡。

They can jump on planes every day without feeling tired and they can achieve an enormous amount.

他們可以每天搭飛機到處飛，卻不會感到疲倦，而且能成就很多事。

You make such a difference through the foundations that we've talked about.

透過我們之前聊過的基金會，你們做了這麼大的貢獻。

And now with the partnership what does it mean to you personally?

那現在有了這個合作關係，對你個人來說有什麼意義呢？

Any of us who get ourselves into position where we can make a difference, however small it is, just shouldn't waste that position that we find ourselves in.

我們當中任何有機會能做出貢獻的人，不論貢獻大小，都不應該浪費這個機會。

When we come to the end of our lives, we want to look back on our lives and feel that we gave it our best shot.

當我們走到生命的盡頭時，我們希望回顧一生，覺得自己已經盡力而為了。

I think that when you get inspiration as a young person, you look at these people as heroes and you want to follow in their footsteps.

我覺得當年輕人獲得啟發時，會把這些人當成英雄，並希望能追隨他們的腳步。

And I knew that music was going to be my life.

我知道音樂將會是我一生的事業。

And I knew that musicians especially all the ones that I would run into, were the most altruistic people that I ever met.

而且我知道音樂人，特別是我遇到的所有音樂人，都是我遇過最無私的人。

Like, I know people from other arts, they didn't seem quite as willing to give, but

像是，我知道其他藝術領域的人，他們似乎沒那麼願意付出，但

in our business they're really willing to give.

在我們的行業裡，大家真的很願意付出。

我想要追隨像 Richard 這樣的人。

Stella McCartney is a business leader who places the environment at the heart of all her endeavors.

Stella McCartney 是一位將環境放在她所有事業核心的商業領袖。

Her eponymous luxury fashion lab is famous for designs that rip up the rule book when it comes to protecting animals and the planet.

她同名的奢華時尚實驗室以顛覆保護動物和地球規則的設計聞名。

I've seen a shift over the last 25 years, but I'm afraid not a big enough shift.

我看到過去 25 年來有了轉變，但我擔心這轉變還不夠大。

There's not really any kind of goals being set for my industry to get to a timeline or get to some kind of better way of working.

我的產業並沒有設定任何目標來達成一個時間表，或是達到某種更好的工作方式。

There is a needle being moved, but it's a little too slow.

有在進步，但速度有點太慢了。

But I'm definitely a half glass type of character.

And so honestly, I have belief that we can do it.

所以說實話，我相信我們做得到。

I do need more people to join me in a more meaningful way and not in a greenwashing way.

我確實需要更多人以更有意義的方式加入我，而不是做表面工夫。

Why don't you think they are joining you?

你覺得他們為什麼沒有加入你呢？

I think that, you know, I think I really believe anyone in business that is trying to be more sustainable or have a better way of coming at their industry for the environment, it comes from your heart and your soul.

我認為，你知道，我認為我真的相信，任何在商界努力變得更永續，或以更好的方式來面對產業對環境的影響的人，這都源自於你的心靈和靈魂。

You have to really, really mean it and believe in it.

你必須真的、真的認真看待並相信它。

And I think, I'm not saying that people don't believe in it, but

我認為，我不是說人們不相信，但是

I think that it's rare that you get a character like me that's in a position like me, with a voice like mine coming at this kind of conversation.

我覺得像我這樣，處在這樣的職位，用這樣的聲音來參與這種對話的人，真的很少見。

In industries in general, there's always so many conversations and debates about profit and planet, which one should come first.

一般來說，產業裡總是有很多關於利潤和地球的對話和辯論，到底哪個該優先。

What do you say to business leaders and corporations that still argue profit should come?

對於那些還在爭論利潤應該優先的企業領導者和公司，妳怎麼說？

You know, it's funny, I talk about this all the time.

你知道，很有趣，我常常在講這件事。

There's a kind of association with if you're doing things for a good reason or for a good cause, that you're not allowed to make profit or make money in association with it.

有一種觀念認為，如果你做的事情是出於好理由或好原因，你就不能從中獲利或賺錢。

Well, we're only going to see true difference if people can also build businesses in working this way, you can't.

嗯，只有當人們也能以這種方式建立事業時，我們才能看到真正的改變，否則不行。

People are terrified of losing their jobs.

You have to swap out businesses and you have to give people business models that are viable.

妳必須更換企業，妳必須給人們可行的商業模式。

Artificial intelligence is often cited as the key to helping us live more sustainably and work more efficiently.

人工智慧（AI）常被認為是幫助我們更永續生活、更有效率工作的關鍵。

But along with the benefits, there are concerns.

不過，伴隨這些好處而來的，也有一些擔憂。

Professor Yoshua Bengio is a leading expert in artificial intelligence based at the University of of Montreal.

Yoshua Bengio 教授是蒙特婁大學在人工智慧（AI）領域的頂尖專家。

He founded Quebec's AI Institute Mila with a mission to advance the technology for the benefit of all.

他創立了魁北克的 AI 研究機構 Mila，使命是為了全人類的福祉推動這項技術。

And he received the association for Computing Machinery's a.m.

他與 fellow scientists Geoffrey Hinton 和 Yann Lecun 一同獲得了 ACM 的圖靈獎，

turing Award, also known as the Nobel Prize in Computing, alongside fellow scientists Geoffrey Hinton and Yann Lecun for work in deep neural networks.

這也是被譽為「電腦界的諾貝爾獎」，他們因在深度神經網路（Deep Neural Network）方面的貢獻而獲獎。

The three are regarded as the great godfathers of AI.

這三位被尊稱為 AI 的「教父」。

Back at the one Young World Summit, Yoshua spoke to me about the risks posed by this increasingly prevalent technology.

在一次 Young World Summit 上，Yoshua 與我談論了這項日益普及的技術所帶來的風險。

To understand the concerns, you have to understand that we're on track to build machines that have most of the cognitive abilities of humans, and

要理解這些擔憂，你必須明白我們正朝著建造出擁有大部分人類認知能力的機器邁進，

那麼，誰將會掌控這股力量呢？

What are the questions we're going to be asking to the machines?

What are the goals that we're going to ask these systems to achieve?

我們要讓這些系統達成什麼目標呢？

This raises a lot of democratic questions because these machines cost billions to be built and trained.

這引發了很多民主上的問題，因為這些機器要建造和訓練都要花費數十億。

Very few organizations and very few countries will be able to do it.

只有極少數的組織和國家能夠做到。

It's just going to get worse because there's a discovery that was made in the last few years that the bigger we make these systems, the smarter they are.

而且情況只會越來越糟，因為過去幾年有個發現，就是我們讓這些系統做得越大，它們就越聰明。

For now, at least, that's what's happened.

So there's going to be a concentration of power, economic power, which can be bad for markets, political power, which could be bad for democracy, and

所以會出現權力的集中，經濟上的權力，這對市場可能不好；政治上的權力，這對民主可能不好；還有

military power, which could be bad for the geopolitical stability of our planet.

軍事上的權力，這對我們星球的地緣政治穩定可能不好。

What do you feel governments should be doing?

The first thing governments need to do is have regulation that forces company to register when they build these frontier systems that are like the biggest ones that cost hundreds of millions of dollars to be trained.

首先，政府需要做的第一件事就是制定法規，要求公司在建立這些前沿系統時進行註冊，這些系統規模最大，訓練成本高達數億美元。

Governments should know where they are, the specifics of these systems.

政府應該知道這些系統的具體情況。

And then the second thing is there should be some level of transparency, so the companies should be forced to tell the government and potentially the public if there's you know, if it's possible, you know, for reasons of national security or something else, you know, they will be compelled to behave better than if they could do anything they want behind closed doors.

第二件事是應該有一定的透明度，所以公司應該被要求告知政府，以及可能的公眾，如果（出於國家安全或其他原因）有需要，他們將被迫比在閉門造 উপযুক্ত時做出更好的行為。

Liability is also another tool that can force companies to behave well, because, you know, if they're, if they're honest and, you know, if it's about their money, the fear of being sued, that's going to push them towards doing things that protect the public.

責任也是另一個可以迫使公司行為良好的工具，因為，你知道，如果他們誠實，而且，你知道，這關乎他們的金錢，被起訴的恐懼，這將促使他們採取保護公眾的行動。

If they know that they can't be sued because right now it's kind of a gray zone, then they will behave not necessarily well because they compete with each other and they think that the first to arrive at AGI will dominate.

如果他們知道他們不會被起訴，因為現在有點灰色地帶，那麼他們就不會necessarily 表現得好，因為他們互相競爭，他們認為第一個到達AGI的人將佔據主導地位。

So it's a race and it's a dangerous race.

所以這是一場競賽，而且是一場危險的競賽。

Since rising to fame with his band the Boomtown Rats back In the late 60s 70s, Sir Bob Geldorf has become an entrepreneur and author.

自從在60年代末70年代憑藉樂團The Boomtown Rats成名以來，Bob Geldorf爵士已經成為一位企業家和作家。

But he's equally known for his enduring activism.

但他同樣以其持久的社會活動而聞名。

Continuing to use his voice for good, Sir Bob is supporting the next generation of leaders at the One Young World Summit here in Montreal.

Bob爵士繼續用他的聲音為善，正在蒙特婁舉行的One Young World峰會上支持下一代領導人。

Bob, in your opinion, what makes a good leader?

Bob，在你認為，什麼樣的人才能成為一個好的領導者？