Name: 泰國和高棉為何不願真正結束戰鬥 | DW News (Why Thailand and Cambodia don't really want to end the fighting | DW News)
Uploaded: 2025-07-27T16:53:26.000Z
Duration: 6 min 59 s

After days of clashes between Thailand and Cambodia, the leaders of the two countries say they are willing to hold talks over a possible ceasefire.

在泰國和高棉發生連日衝突之後，兩國領導人表示願意就可能的停火舉行會談。

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They are due to meet in Malaysia on Monday to settle a border dispute that broke out into open fighting last week.

他們將於週一在馬來西亞會面，以解決上週爆發的公開戰鬥的邊界爭端。

So far, more than 30 people have been killed in the cross-border conflict, and at least 150,000 displaced.

迄今為止，已有 30 多人在跨界衝突中喪生，至少 15 萬人流離失所。

President Donald Trump said the leaders of both countries had agreed to work on a ceasefire, fresh artillery clashes erupted on Sunday morning.

美國總統唐納德-特朗普表示，兩國領導人已同意致力於停火，但週日上午又爆發了新的炮火衝突。

In the frontier region between northern Cambodia and northeast Thailand, each country blamed the other for continued shelling while still signaling readiness to negotiate an end to the fighting.

在高棉北部和泰國東北部之間的邊境地區，兩國都指責對方繼續炮擊，同時仍表示願意通過談判結束戰鬥。

In response to President Trump, Prime Minister Hun Manet made clear to him that Cambodia has agreed with his proposal to the immediate and unconditional ceasefire between the two countries.

作為對特朗普總統的迴應，洪馬內首相向他明確表示，高棉同意他提出的兩國立即無條件停火的建議。

Thailand's acting prime minister said his country agreed to pursue a ceasefire with a reservation.

泰國代理總理表示，泰國同意在有保留意見的情況下實現停火。

Donald Trump said that if there is no ceasefire, the U.S. wouldn't be ready to hold trade talks with either of our countries.

唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump）說，如果不停火，美國就不準備與我們兩國舉行貿易談判。

I told him that's not a problem, as we also want a ceasefire.

我告訴他這不是問題，因為我們也希望停火。

We adhere to this principle, but our condition is that Cambodia must give assurances to stop shelling the Thai people, because we base our negotiations and decisions on the safety of our people.

我們堅持這一原則，但我們的條件是高棉必須保證停止炮擊泰國人民，因為我們的談判和決定都是以我國人民的安全為基礎的。

For the thousands of civilians displaced by the fighting, like these Thai evacuees sheltering in a university, the uncertainty is hard to bear.

對於成千上萬因戰火而流離失所的平民來說，就像這些在一所大學裡避難的泰國難民一樣，這種不確定性是難以承受的。

Living like this makes me feel quite uneasy.

這樣的生活讓我感到相當不安。

Across the border in Cambodia, a lone Buddhist monk remains at his temple in the evacuation zone.

在邊境另一側的高棉，一位孤獨的佛教僧侶仍留在疏散區內的寺廟裡。

As a monk living in a province bordering Thailand, I would like to call on both sides to work together to find a solution that is a win-win for all.

作為一名生活在與泰國接壤的省份的僧侶，我想呼籲雙方共同努力，找到一個雙贏的解決方案。

For now, most civilians near the border are staying out of artillery range.

目前，邊境附近的大多數平民都躲在大炮射程之外。

Both sides say the other needs to show signs of de-escalation before any ceasefire talks can begin.

雙方都表示，在開始停火談判之前，對方必須表現出緩和的跡象。

Let's cross over now to DW correspondent Georg Matus, who's near the Thai city of Udon Ratchathani, close to the border with Cambodia.

現在讓我們連線DW記者格奧爾格-馬圖斯（Georg Matus），他在泰國烏隆叻差（Udon Ratchathani）市附近，靠近高棉邊境。

Georg, we're hearing reports that the fighting is continuing.

格奧爾格，我們聽到報告說戰鬥仍在繼續。

It's another fourth day of intensive fighting along this 800 kilometers long border.

在這條 800 公里長的邊境線上，激烈的戰鬥已經持續了第四天。

It's a very remote area where the fighting is taking place.

戰鬥發生在一個非常偏遠的地區。

One of those pockets of fighting is not far from here in Sisaket province, where I got reports today that there was early in the morning intensive fighting.

其中一個戰區就在離這裡不遠的錫薩凱特省，我今天得到報告說，那裡一大早就發生了激烈的戰鬥。

We then had helicopters flying past us here.

隨後，直升機從我們這裡飛過。

We had a lot of ambulances coming on the roads where locals told me these are victims.

路上來了很多救護車，當地人告訴我這些都是受害者。

These are mainly soldiers coming from the front lines being brought back, but also along the rest of the border in Surin province, for instance, there's currently fighting going on.

這些主要是從前線運回來的阿兵哥，但在邊境的其他地方，比如素林省，目前也在發生戰鬥。

And we also saw in the southeast where there are some contested islands fighting on the sea.

在東南部，我們還看到一些有爭議的島嶼在海上發生戰鬥。

You've been talking with people who've had to flee their homes.

你一直在和那些不得不逃離家園的人交談。

Of course, people are growing increasingly desperate here.

當然，這裡的人們越來越絕望。

People at the beginning thought this would be just for two or three days maybe, and now they're being told it might be a week that they have to stick in these evacuation centers.

人們一開始以為這可能只是兩三天的事，現在卻被告知可能要在疏散中心待上一週。

So a lot of internally displaced people who are asking themselves, you know, how long will this go on?

是以，很多國內流離失所者都在問自己，你知道，這樣的情況還要持續多久？

And also, if you talk to the evacuation centers, they are concerned that they will run the logistics for the next week or potentially weeks to come where they want to make sure that they keep people in safe areas.

此外，如果你與疏散中心交談，他們也會擔心在接下來的一週或可能的幾周內，他們要做好後勤工作，確保將人們安置在安全區域。

Another concern is that new weapons that could be brought in from the Cambodian side would shift that perimeter by another 50 kilometers and would again displace people.

另一個令人擔憂的問題是，可能從高棉方面運來的新武器會將這一邊界線再擴大 50 公里，從而再次造成人民流離失所。

So these are the concerns of people here who have really just one hope, and that is to return back home.

是以，這些都是這裡的人們所關心的問題，他們實際上只有一個希望，那就是返回家園。

We've been reporting for days now that both Thailand and Cambodia say they're open to ceasefire talks.

我們已經報道了好幾天，泰國和高棉都說他們對停火談判持開放態度。

Any word on when or if those might happen?

有任何關於何時或是否會出現這些情況的消息嗎？

I'd say that's probably the million-dollar question.

我想說，這可能是一個價值百萬美元的問題。

You know, the conflict started with both sides finger-pointing at each other that they started, fired the first shot.

要知道，衝突一開始，雙方就互相指責對方是自己先開的第一槍。

Now you have both sides claiming that the other side violated and potentially agreed ceasefire because both sides, they would want a ceasefire.

現在，雙方都聲稱對方違反了可能達成的停火協議，因為雙方都希望停火。

But then again, I read a number of quotes from politicians today who basically said, you know, the military might still have to complete certain operations.

但話又說回來，我今天讀到了一些政客的引文，他們基本上都說，你知道，軍方可能仍需完成某些行動。

So one suspicion many observers here have is that before the two sides really go into ceasefire negotiations or into negotiations how to live together in the future, they do want to secure a few hillsides more to have a better negotiation position at the negotiation table.

是以，這裡的許多觀察家都懷疑，在雙方真正進入停火談判或未來如何共處的談判之前，他們確實希望能再確保幾個山坡的安全，以便在談判桌上佔據更好的談判地位。

Georg, there are fears, obviously, that if a ceasefire doesn't come quickly, that this conflict could turn into a full-blown war.

格奧爾格，很明顯，人們擔心如果不能儘快實現停火，這場衝突可能會演變成一場全面戰爭。

It is, of course, a concern, and it's a concern publicly voiced by Thailand's current caretaker, prime minister.

當然，這是一個令人擔憂的問題，泰國現任看守政府總理也公開表達了這一擔憂。

I don't see it really on the cards here, a full-blown war.

我不認為這裡會爆發全面戰爭。

Obviously, Thailand is militarily the stronger nation, economically the stronger nation, that could last longer.

很明顯，泰國在軍事上更強大，在經濟上更強大，是以可以持續更長的時間。

But what I also don't see is a real incentive for both sides to end this soon.

但我也沒看到雙方有真正的動力來儘快結束這場戰爭。

Both sides want to appear strong and powerful and not giving in to the other side, and that is the key problem at the moment.

雙方都希望自己顯得強大有力，不向對方屈服，這就是目前的關鍵問題所在。

DW correspondent Georg Mattis near Ubon Ratchathani, Thailand.

DW 通訊員 Georg Mattis 在泰國烏汶叻差他尼附近。

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