Name: 北韓向俄羅斯派遣軍隊和彈藥：這對北約意味著什麼 | DW News (North Korea sends troops, ammunition to Russia: What it means for NATO | DW News)
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And, as Russia steps up its attacks on Ukraine, the Kremlin is once again seeking help from North Korea.

在俄羅斯加緊攻擊烏克蘭的同時，克里姆林宮再次向北韓尋求幫助。

South Korean intelligence reports that the country has already sent Russian weapons and North Korean troops could soon be sent to the front line.

韓國情報部門報告稱，該國已經派出了俄羅斯武器，北韓軍隊也可能很快被派往前線。

DW's Sergei Stanislovsky reports on North Korea's role in Russia's new strategy.

DW 的謝爾蓋-斯坦尼斯洛夫斯基（Sergei Stanislovsky）報道了北韓在俄羅斯新戰略中的作用。

Kim Jong-un is greeting Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov as a dear friend.

金正恩將俄羅斯外長謝爾蓋-拉夫羅夫視為摯友。

Lavrov, in turn, has only warm words for the North Korean leader.

而拉夫羅夫對北韓領導人也只有熱情的話語。

The President sends you his warmest greetings and reaffirms his commitment to all the agreements that have been reached.

總統向你們致以最熱烈的問候，並重申他對已達成的所有協議的承諾。

He looks forward to continuing direct contact with you in the very near future.

他期待著在不久的將來繼續與您直接聯繫。

This meeting in the eastern port of Wonsan has left many wondering about its purpose.

在東部港口元山舉行的這次會議讓許多人對其目的感到疑惑。

Since the war in Ukraine began, Russia and North Korea have become closer than they've been since the fall of the Soviet Union.

自烏克蘭戰爭爆發以來，俄羅斯和北韓的關係比蘇聯解體後更加密切。

A year ago, Putin and Kim signed an agreement for their countries to help each other if one faces military aggression.

一年前，普京和金正恩簽署了一項協議，規定如果一方面臨軍事侵略，兩國將互相幫助。

Now South Korean intelligence reports that North Korea may have supplied Russia with up to 12 million artillery shells.

現在，韓國情報部門報告說，北韓可能向俄羅斯提供了多達 1200 萬枚炮彈。

According to Ukrainian intelligence services, Pyongyang has been providing up to half of the shells Russia uses to attack Ukraine.

據烏克蘭情報部門稱，平壤提供了多達一半的俄羅斯用於攻擊烏克蘭的炮彈。

This meeting with Lavrov wasn't really about culture or tourism, and not even about soldiers.

這次與拉夫羅夫的會面其實並不是關於文化或旅遊的，甚至也不是關於阿兵哥的。

It was specifically about ammunition and missiles, which Russia is using in massive quantities.

特別是彈藥和飛彈，俄羅斯正在大量使用這些武器。

North Korea's planned economy happens to overproduce exactly those kinds of items in equally massive quantities.

北朝鮮的計劃經濟恰好超量生產這些物品。

俄羅斯現在可能正在那裡投資。

Another clear area of cooperation between Russia and North Korea is military support.

俄羅斯與北韓之間另一個明顯的合作領域是軍事支持。

The countries haven't revealed how many North Korean troops are ready to help Russia.

兩國尚未透露有多少北韓軍隊準備幫助俄羅斯。

According to Ukrainian and allied intelligence, up to 30,000 North Korean troops could be sent to the front by the end of summer.

根據烏克蘭和盟國的情報，到夏末，多達 3 萬名北韓阿兵哥可能會被派往前線。

The North Korean army is larger than Russia's, so this is just a very small fraction.

北韓軍隊的規模比俄羅斯還大，所以這只是很小的一部分。

They avoid sending ground troops because they're not very combat-ready.

他們避免派遣地面部隊，因為他們的作戰能力不強。

Much of their time is spent working in the fields or studying the leader's ideology, but their special forces are fairly well-trained.

他們的大部分時間都花在田間勞作或研究領導人的意識形態上，但他們的特種部隊訓練有素。

Last fall, South Korean intelligence reported that around 12,000 North Korean soldiers were sent to assist Russia.

去年秋天，韓國情報部門報告稱，約有 12000 名北韓阿兵哥被派往援助俄羅斯。

In this footage from January, a Ukrainian investigator is believed to be questioning one of those soldiers captured by Ukrainian forces.

在這段 1 月份的錄像中，一名烏克蘭調查員據信正在審問其中一名被烏克蘭部隊俘虜的阿兵哥。

Without help from allies, including North Korea, it would be difficult for Russia to step up its attacks on Ukraine, as it is doing now.

如果沒有包括北韓在內的盟國的幫助，俄羅斯將很難像現在這樣加強對烏克蘭的攻擊。

Russia is not waging this war alone, as many people wrongly assume, but with the support of its allies.

俄羅斯並不像許多人錯誤地認為的那樣，是在盟國的支持下單獨發動這場戰爭的。

For example, one can observe the use of North Korean ballistic missiles.

例如，我們可以觀察北韓彈道導彈的使用情況。

It gives Russia the capability to carry out drone attacks with an intensity of over 700 strikes.

它使俄羅斯有能力進行超過 700 次的無人機襲擊。

As the West urges Russia to end the war, Russia's former president Dmitry Medvedev has just promised to step up attacks on Ukraine.

在西方敦促俄羅斯結束戰爭之際，俄羅斯前總統德米特里-梅德韋傑夫剛剛承諾加強對烏克蘭的攻擊。

Now we are joined by Frank Ledwidge, military expert and senior lecturer in strategic studies at Portsmouth University.

現在，軍事專家、朴茨茅斯大學戰略研究高級講師弗蘭克-萊德維奇（Frank Ledwidge）將與我們共同探討。

Will there be North Koreans fighting for Russia and Ukraine soon?

很快就會有朝鮮人為俄羅斯和烏克蘭而戰了嗎？

The South Korean parliament was briefed by the National Intelligence Service about a month ago on this, and the estimates range up for between about 15 to 30,000 troops, I would say, on the lower end of that.

大約一個月前，國家情報局向韓國國會通報了這一情況。

So yes, I think we will be seeing more North Korean assistance on the front.

是以，是的，我認為我們會看到北韓在前線提供更多援助。

Question is, of course, what kind of assistance and what difference they will make.

當然，問題是提供什麼樣的援助，以及這些援助會帶來什麼變化。

What difference do you think they'll make?

Well, I think it's very important not to underestimate, and I think one of the experts on there before hinted at that, underestimate these troops.

我認為不要低估這些部隊是非常重要的，我想之前一位專家也暗示過這一點。

They're not, the Russians don't need them.

他們不需要，俄羅斯人不需要。

They don't have a manpower problem, particularly.

The purpose for the North Koreans is to get training.

Indeed, at the end of last year, there was a conference, believe it or not, in North Korea, as you would expect, to analyse the performance of these troops.

事實上，信不信由你，去年年底在北韓召開了一次會議，分析這些部隊的表現。

So what we're going to see there, we're going to see missile troops, of course, for the KN-23 missiles that cause Ukraine so many problems.

是以，我們將在那裡看到導彈部隊，當然是給烏克蘭帶來諸多麻煩的 KN-23 飛彈。

Now those will be prepared and trained according to the experience of last year, so we can't expect them to be used as cannon fodder or anything like that.

現在，他們將根據去年的經驗進行準備和訓練，是以我們不能指望他們會被用作炮灰或類似的東西。

But as I say, the Russians don't particularly need them.

但正如我所說，俄羅斯人並不特別需要它們。

And from the Russian perspective, of course, and indeed from any military perspective, if you have a lot of foreign troops who don't have your doctrine training or even equipment, and I suspect these troops probably will look very much like Russian troops, they may not have the same training, that can sometimes be a drag on Russian or indeed any other national military effort.

當然，從俄羅斯的角度來看，實際上從任何軍事角度來看，如果你有大量的外國軍隊，他們沒有你的理論訓練，甚至沒有你的裝備，我懷疑這些軍隊可能看起來很像俄羅斯軍隊，他們可能沒有同樣的訓練，這有時會拖累俄羅斯或實際上任何其他國家的軍事努力。

But they will certainly help from the missile perspective, from the engineering perspective, they will send engineering construction troops as well.

但他們肯定會從飛彈角度和工程角度提供幫助，他們也會派出工程建設部隊。

So it's not a negative, and it will contribute to the Russian effort, no doubt about it.

是以，這並不是一個負面因素，毫無疑問，這將有助於俄羅斯的努力。

Why do you think North Korea is doing this?

First of all, they're going to get money for this.

There will be money, cash, which North Korea needs for obvious reasons.

But secondly, and I think this is genuinely really important, and this is, I think, what's South Korean analysts, is North Korea will be getting North Korean army, particularly units being sent to a more elite units, units like the 11th Storm Corps, which were reportedly deployed and the Reconnaissance General Bureau.

但其次，我認為這一點確實非常重要，我認為這也是韓國分析人士所關心的，那就是北韓將獲得北韓軍隊，特別是被派往更精銳部隊的部隊，如據報道已部署的第11風暴軍團和偵察總局。

That soldier you saw being interrogated there is probably from that.

你看到的在那裡接受審訊的阿兵哥很可能就來自那裡。

Those will be getting the kind of training that South Korea prefer they didn't in modern warfare, in drone warfare, in modern operations, and in the intensity of modern combat.

他們將接受韓國更希望他們沒有接受過的現代戰爭、無人機戰爭、現代作戰和現代戰鬥強度方面的訓練。

So North Korea will be getting that kind of experience, and that's really, really valuable in a modern army, to get real combat experience.

是以，北韓將獲得這樣的經驗，而這對於一支現代軍隊來說，獲得實戰經驗真的非常非常寶貴。

Bearing in mind, of course, on the other hand, very few NATO countries have that kind of  So that's important for the North Koreans, no question.

當然，另一方面，很少有北約國家擁有對北韓來說非常重要的蘇伊士運河。

Who should be worried about that combat experience?

I mean, is North Korea preparing for a war of its own, you think?

我的意思是，你認為北韓是在為自己的戰爭做準備嗎？

North Korea will say it's always preparing for war, and wars are just around the corner.

北韓會說它一直在為戰爭做準備，而戰爭就在眼前。

I think the key for the West, for our allies, if you like, is the danger that this presents or will present, not just to Ukraine, of course, it goes without saying, but to South Korea.

我認為，對於西方國家和我們的盟友來說，關鍵在於這已經或將要帶來的危險，當然，這不僅僅是對烏克蘭的危險，還有對韓國的危險。

This is the first time North Korean troops, and of course, we had North Korean troops deployed last year, not terribly successfully, but they'll be learning.

這是北韓軍隊第一次出兵，當然，我們去年也部署了北韓軍隊，雖然不是很成功，但他們會學習的。

This is the second major deployment of North Korean troops into combat, and that will concern South Korea, because South Korea, of course, they're the people who are going to have to face them at some point, or at least be prepared to deter them.

這是北韓軍隊第二次大規模投入戰鬥，這將引起韓國的關注，因為韓國當然會在某些時候不得不面對北韓軍隊，或者至少要做好威懾北韓軍隊的準備。

And clearly, that's a little bit more difficult if you have a large group, divisional size, 10, 20,000 troops, going, being deployed every year into a combat zone.

顯然，如果你有一個龐大的團隊，師級規模，10,200,000 人的部隊，每年都被部署到戰區，這就有點困難了。

Frank, just briefly, how do you think Ukraine and its partners should respond to all of this?

弗蘭克，請您簡單談談，您認為烏克蘭及其合作伙伴應該如何應對這一切？

Well, I would suggest there's not too much we could do about that, except ramp up our own production of weaponry, which is the key contribution of North Korea to this war.

我認為，我們對此能做的不多，只能加強我們自己的武器生產，而這正是北韓對這場戰爭的主要貢獻。

They provide a significant proportion of Russia's ammunition at the moment.

目前，它們為俄羅斯提供了大量彈藥。

Military expert, Frank Ledwidge of Portsmouth University.

軍事專家、朴茨茅斯大學的弗蘭克-萊德維奇。