Name: "2025 項目就是佛羅里達 2020"--眾議員馬克斯韋爾-弗羅斯特談德桑提斯、移民及海關執法局拘留和正當程序 ("Project 2025 Is Florida 2020" - Rep. Maxwell Frost On DeSantis, ICE Detentions And Due Process)
Uploaded: 2025-06-21T16:48:39.000Z
Duration: 6 min 46 s

Hey everybody, welcome back. Ladies and gentlemen, my next guest this evening is a congressman who represents Florida's 10th district. Please welcome back to The Late Show, Representative

大家好，歡迎回來。女士們，先生們，今晚我的下一位嘉賓是代表佛羅里達州第10選區的眾議員。歡迎回到《深夜秀》，眾議員

Good to see you again. Yeah, good to be here.

很高興再次見到你是啊，很高興來這裡

It's been a bit. Last time you were here, you'd been in office for nine months or something along those lines. It's been two and a half years now. Compare and contrast your experience from the first year to now in the middle of your third year, and please support your answer with specific examples.

有點久了上次你來的時候，你才上任九個月之類的。現在已經兩年半了。請比較並對比您從第一年到現在第三年中的經歷，並請用具體事例支持您的答案。

與兩年前相比，現在有什麼不同？

Look, obviously, we're in just so much chaos right now in this country. And when I think back to when I first got into Congress, I felt like we were doing so much good work with the administration. It was a different administration, by the way.

聽著，很明顯，我們國家現在正處於一片混亂之中。回想我剛進入國會時，我覺得我們和政府一起做了很多好事。順便說一句，那是一個不同的政府。

Different Congress. But I felt like, you know, this fight against far-right neo-fascism, for me at least, was mainly taking stage in my home in Florida, fighting against Ron DeSantis and the extremism there. And something I always told people is that Project 2025 is actually

不同的國會。但我覺得，你知道，這場反對極右翼新法西斯主義的鬥爭，至少對我來說，主要是在佛羅里達州的家中上演，反對羅恩-德桑蒂斯（Ron DeSantis）和那裡的極端主義。我一直告訴人們，"2025計劃 "實際上是

Florida 2022, Florida 2020. And the stuff that's going on around the country right now, we've actually been dealing with in the South for a long time, especially my state of Florida.

佛羅里達 2022 年，佛羅里達 2020 年。現在全國各地發生的事情，其實我們在南方已經處理了很長時間，尤其是我所在的佛羅里達州。

So the difference is, it's like the struggle in my state has kind of been just spread throughout the nation. And honestly, that day after Election Day, I had a hard time getting up, probably like a lot of other people, and I wasn't automatically feeling hope. You know, we think of hope as like a feeling. But I think about something I learned, which is like, you know, long marriages, something people always say is that love isn't always a feeling. A lot of times it's a choice that you make actively. And I just thought, well, hope is the same way. I'm not always going to feel it when I wake up in the morning. And to be honest, like, I don't always feel it every morning, but I'm actively going to choose it. So we're definitely in a different time.

是以，不同的是，我所在州的抗爭似乎已蔓延至全國。老實說，選舉日之後的那一天，我很難站起來，可能和很多人一樣，我並沒有自動感受到希望。你知道，我們認為希望是一種感覺。但我想到了我學到的一些東西，就像，你知道，長期的婚姻中，人們總是說愛並不總是一種感覺。很多時候，它是你主動做出的選擇。我就想，希望也是一樣的。當我早上醒來時，我並不總是能感覺到它。老實說，我不一定每天早上都能感受到希望，但我會主動選擇希望。所以，我們肯定處在一個不同的時代。

Well, a lot of people, a lot, a lot of people chose to be hopeful last week. Five million people plus turned out for the No Kings rally, which was really, it was an act of hope, it was hopeful to see. Thousands of people, thousands of people turned out in your district in central

上週，很多人，很多人，很多人選擇充滿希望。五百多萬人参加了 "無國王 "集會，這確實是一種希望之舉，讓人看到了希望。成千上萬的人，成千上萬的人來到了你所在的中部地區。

Florida on the heels of the president sending in both National Guard, nationalized Army,

佛羅里達州在總統派出國民警衛隊和國有化軍隊之後、

National Guard, so Army members into Los Angeles and Marines, and they're using and violating posse comitatus, arresting people. And you have, that was all in response to ICE doing raids around Los Angeles, somewhat indiscriminately, and even going into courts where people are trying to do the right thing and pulling them out and trying to get them out of the country without due process. You, you have described that as taxpayer funded, uh, kidnapping operation.

國民警衛隊，所以陸軍成員進入洛杉磯和海軍陸戰隊，他們正在使用和違反posse comitatus，逮捕的人。你有，這是所有迴應ICE做突擊檢查洛杉磯周圍，有點不分青紅皁白，甚至進入法院的人試圖做正確的事情，並把他們拉出來，並試圖讓他們離開這個國家沒有適當的程序。你，你已經描述了納稅人資助，呃，綁架行動。

Well, because Donald Trump ran on this mass deportation thing, but the thing everyone needs to realize is deportation is a process. It's a legal process. Oftentimes it can take weeks if not months up to a year, depending on the case. And what's going on right now is actually not mass deportation even because people aren't being given due process. There is no legal process for people. We have ICE, ICE federal agents pulling up, terrorizing our communities, hopping out of unmarked vans, stealing and yes, kidnapping people, not giving them their day in court. And yes, human trafficking them to other nations, other countries around the entire world. And I want to be very, I like to be very clear about what's going on right now. So people understand that, that what is going on, I believe is outside of the bounds of the law. Due process is something that applies to every person in this country, regardless of your status. And this is from the party that likes to talk a lot about American exceptionalism, but they want to rip away the few things that make our country actually exceptional. And part of that is the fact that our rights are for everybody.

好吧，因為唐納德-特朗普是以大規模驅逐出境的名義參選的，但大家需要意識到的是，驅逐出境是一個過程。這是一個法律程序。通常情況下，這需要數週甚至數月至一年的時間，視情況而定。而現在的情況實際上並不是大規模驅逐，甚至因為人們沒有得到正當的程序。人們沒有法律程序。我們有ICE，ICE的聯邦特工在我們的社區巡邏，恐嚇我們的社區，從沒有標誌的麵包車裡跳出來，偷竊，是的，綁架人們，不給他們上法庭的機會。是的，將他們販賣到其他國家，全世界的其他國家。我想非常清楚地告訴大家現在發生了什麼。這樣人們就會明白，我認為現在發生

And one of the things, one of the things that I see it that alarms me most and, and it does feel like kidnapping because as you said, unmarked windowless vans will show up. Men will get out wearing masks, balaclavas or masks, no identifying patches, do not identify themselves. They don't have badges. They don't show ID. They just grab people and put them in the van. I mean, in a state like Florida that has a stand your ground law and people can open carry, it's dangerous for those officers. Yeah. It's not just for the people because you know, why wouldn't you think that you were being attacked? No, it's, it's dangerous for everyone. It's completely chaotic. And my other thing is if you are proud of what you're doing, why do you have to wear a mask to do it? If you are, if you're operating within the bounds of the law, you shouldn't have to cover your face. And that's the problem with ice and with the administration right now is this whole thing is happening in the shadows. I actually just introduced the bill called the sue them act. Um, it sounds like sue them because we want people to sue them. Um, and what it does is it mandates where if someone is taken by ice and they're put in a detainment facility or they're put in a jail under what's called an ice detainer, that they are required to post publicly why that person is there, where they're at and all the information associated with the case.

其中有一件事，我看到的最讓我震驚的事，感覺就像綁架，因為正如你所說，沒有標誌的無窗麵包車會出現。男子會戴著面具、巴拉克拉瓦或面具下車，沒有識別補丁，不表明自己的身份。他們沒有徽章。他們不出示證件。他們只是抓住人 並把他們的麵包車。我的意思是，在佛羅里達這樣的州，有 "站在你的立場上 "的法律，人們可以隨身攜帶武器，這對那些警察來說是很危險的。是的，這不僅是對人 因為你知道，你為什麼不認為 你被攻擊？不，這是，這是對每個人都危險。這是完全混亂。我還想說的是，如果你為自己所做的事情感到自豪，為什麼非要戴著面具

Cause here's the problem is that I'm meeting so many families in my district and across the country that one day their husband goes missing and they just have no idea where their loved ones are at. And we have people going to hospitals. We have people calling morgues asking, is my loved one there? That's what this country has devolved to right now because of this president and because of this whole operation that is completely BS and lied to people. And he went around the country telling people that you can't afford your rent because of immigrants, that you can't send your child to school, you can't afford food because of trans people. No, it's because of mega billionaires like Donald Trump and corporations that have been rigging the system for so long. And this blame game is so normal in this. It's from the textbook of authoritarians and right-wing neo-fascists. And we have to call it out because he's trying to divide our country when really we have a lot more in common.

問題是，我在我所在的地區和全國各地遇到過很多家庭，有一天他們的丈夫失蹤了，他們卻不知道自己的親人在哪裡。有人去醫院有人打電話到停屍房問，我的親人在那裡嗎？這就是這個國家的現狀，因為這個總統，因為這個完全是騙人的行動。他在全國各地告訴人們，你付不起房租是因為移民，你不能送孩子上學，你買不起食物是因為變性人。不，這都是因為像唐納德-特朗普這樣的鉅額億萬富翁，以及長期以來一直在操縱系統的企業。在這種情況下，這種指責遊戲是很正常的。這是專制主義者和右翼新法西斯主義者的教科書。我們必須指出這一點，因為他試圖分裂我們

We're going to take a quick break, but we're right back with more representative Maxwell-Crossley.

我們稍事休息，馬上為您帶來麥克斯韋爾-克羅斯利代表的報道。

"2025 項目就是佛羅里達 2020"--眾議員馬克斯韋爾-弗羅斯特談德桑提斯、移民及海關執法局拘留和正當程序 ("Project 2025 Is Florida 2020" - Rep. Maxwell Frost On DeSantis, ICE Detentions And Due Process)