Name: 【國際時事】遊客屠殺事件發生後，印度對巴基斯坦發起攻擊 (India launches strike against Pakistan in wake of tourist massacre)
Uploaded: 2025-05-07T02:52:07.000Z
Duration: 10 min 34 s

Welcome to The Brief, I'm Jim Sciutto in New York.

歡迎收看《簡報》，我是在紐約的吉姆-西尤託。

情態副詞

我們今天一早就開始播報突發新聞。

India launching a military operation targeting what it calls terrorist infrastructure inside Pakistan and Pakistan administered Kashmir.

印度針對巴基斯坦和巴控克什米爾地區內所謂的恐怖主義基礎設施發起軍事行動。

Those the sounds of explosions during those strikes.

India says it struck nine targets, adding that none of them are Pakistani military facilities.

印度稱襲擊了九個目標，並補充說這些目標都不是巴基斯坦的軍事設施。

A Pakistani military spokesperson says the country will respond to those attacks, adding that at least three people have been killed in the Indian strikes.

巴基斯坦軍方發言人說，巴基斯坦將對這些襲擊作出迴應，並補充說至少有三人在印度的襲擊中喪生。

This comes after gunmen killed 26 people in Indian administered Kashmir last month.

此前，槍手上個月在印控克什米爾地區殺害了 26 人。

印度將這些襲擊歸咎於巴基斯坦。

尼克-羅伯遜正在伊斯蘭堡進行直播。

And it's worth reminding our viewers that these are two nuclear armed nations that have fired at each other before.

值得提醒觀眾的是，這兩個核武國家曾經互相開火。

Tell us what the situation is now and concerns about escalation.

請告訴我們目前的局勢以及對局勢升級的擔憂。

Pakistan vowed that if India attacked, that they would respond.

巴基斯坦發誓，如果印度發動攻擊，他們將予以還擊。

That was part of their military doctrine.

They believe, and I've been speaking over the past few days with very senior, very senior security officials here, and they believe that this incident inside Indian controlled Kashmir, where 26 civilians were killed, that India blamed on Pakistan, that Pakistan denied.

他們認為，在過去幾天裡，我一直在與這裡非常資深、非常高級的安全官員交談，他們認為，在印控克什米爾地區發生的這起事件中，有26名平民被殺，印度將責任歸咎於巴基斯坦，而巴基斯坦對此予以否認。

They believe that this had now come, the relations with India had now come to a moment, a defining moment where Pakistan needs to take a definitive stand because India has threatened to cut off water supplies coming down three major rivers, vital existential security officials describe the water from those rivers.

他們認為，現在已經到了這個時候，與印度的關係已經到了一個決定性的時刻，巴基斯坦需要採取明確的立場，因為印度已經威脅要切斷三條主要河流的水源供應，重要的生存安全官員描述了這些河流的水源。

So, this is a sort of context to why that this is at a moment of extreme potential escalation.

是以，這就是為什麼現在是局勢極有可能升級的時刻。

Pakistani security officials are saying that they are right now, their air force right now in the throes of delivering what they describe as a crushing blow to India as a response for this strike.

巴基斯坦安全官員說，他們的空軍現在正在對印度實施他們所說的沉重打擊，作為對這次襲擊的迴應。

Previously, when I've spoken with Pakistani officials over the past few days, they've said that if India's retaliatory strike, which they thought was coming, they said if it just came in Pakistan administered Kashmir, that would be something that would be more easily tolerable than striking Pakistan proper, if you will.

在過去幾天裡，當我與巴基斯坦官員交談時，他們說，如果印度的報復性打擊（他們認為即將到來）只是在巴基斯坦管理的克什米爾地區發生，那將比打擊巴基斯坦本土更容易被容忍。

At least two of the strikes we understand this evening, and we're getting these early details, are in Pakistan proper.

據我們瞭解，今晚至少有兩起襲擊發生在巴基斯坦境內，我們正在獲取這些早期細節。

This tells me from what the officials have been speaking about, that this will demand from the Pakistani side a much higher level of response.

官員們的發言告訴我，這將要求巴基斯坦方面做出更高水平的反應。

Again, this speaks to the potential for escalation.

One of those strikes in Murad K inside Pakistan proper was literally just about 20 miles from the border with India.

其中一次襲擊發生在巴基斯坦境內的穆拉德 K，距離印度邊境只有 20 英里左右。

For their fighter jets, if that's what it was, to come over and strike, that was a relatively easy operation.

對於他們的戰鬥機來說，如果是這樣的話，過來攻擊是一個相對容易的行動。

However, these strikes have been on the audible, if you will, outskirts of Islamabad.

不過，這些襲擊都發生在伊斯蘭堡的外圍。

Our cameraman here with me, Javed, his house is about an hour from where we are in the centre of Islamabad.

我身邊的攝影師賈維德，他家距離我們所在的伊斯蘭堡市中心大約一小時車程。

There were two loud explosions, he said, and his house shook from those explosions.

他說，當時有兩聲巨大的爆炸聲，他的房子被爆炸聲震得搖搖晃晃。

That gives you an idea how close some of the strikes have been to Islamabad, perhaps about 50, 60, 70 kilometres away.

這讓你瞭解到一些襲擊距離伊斯蘭堡有多近，可能在 50、60 或 70 公里之外。

The other explosions I was describing that have happened elsewhere in Pakistan have also been near the major city of Lahore, the very outer reaches of that.

我所說的巴基斯坦其他地方發生的爆炸也都發生在大城市拉合爾附近，也就是拉合爾的外圍地區。

Again, these are very strong signals, if you will, that the Indian military is sending to the Pakistani government.

印度軍方再次向巴基斯坦政府發出強烈信號。

Again, speaks to the potential for escalation.

這再次說明了事態升級的可能性。

We have to wait and see what Pakistan's response is, what it's been.

我們必須拭目以待，看看巴基斯坦的反應如何。

And therefore, what India may do after that, Jim.

是以，印度在此之後可能會做什麼，吉姆。

Nick, I wonder, given that India's strikes, and this is notable to your point, struck both inside Pakistan-controlled Kashmir and inside Pakistan proper, is it reasonable to expect that crushing blow, as Pakistani officials are describing it, might do the same in kind, that is, strike inside Indian-administered Kashmir, but also perhaps inside India itself?

尼克，我想知道，鑑於印度的打擊--這與你的觀點有關聯--既打擊了巴基斯坦控制的克什米爾地區，也打擊了巴基斯坦本土，那麼是否可以合理地預期，正如巴基斯坦官員所描述的那樣，粉碎性打擊可能會採取同樣的方式，即打擊印控克什米爾地區，但也可能打擊印度本土？

I think there's a genuine potential for that.

And the military here have released pictures of some of the victims of the overnight attack from India.

這裡的軍方公佈了來自印度的隔夜襲擊中一些遇難者的照片。

And the first assessment of the Pakistani military here is that they only have civilian casualties.

巴基斯坦軍方的第一個評估是，他們只有平民傷亡。

And some of the images they released show women and children bloodied and inside a hospital.

他們發佈的一些圖片顯示，婦女和兒童滿身是血地躺在醫院裡。

So, again, the fact that have been injured beyond military-age males is going to, if you will, ratchet up the potential for response.

是以，如果你願意的話，受傷的不僅僅是適齡男性，這一事實也會增加應對的可能性。

Now, Pakistan's military is describing the casualties that they've seen so far as civilian casualties.

現在，巴基斯坦軍方將目前看到的傷亡描述為平民傷亡。

It's unclear to me whether Pakistan would strike back at military targets.

我不清楚巴基斯坦是否會反擊軍事目標。

There's a potential that escalation doesn't get out of hand.

The Pakistani security officials believe this is an existential moment, the fact that the water to the country, that powers a lot of the electricity generation here, that's absolutely vital.

巴基斯坦安全官員認為，這是一個生死存亡的時刻，因為該國的水源是這裡大量發電的動力，絕對至關重要。

And therefore, their response was going to be accordingly strong from that perspective.

是以，從這個角度來看，他們的反應也會相應強烈。

It's very unclear to me where it will go from here.

現在我還不清楚它將何去何從。

But the language has been very, very clear.

If you track it, and I've been coming here for about well over 25 years.

如果你追蹤一下，我已經來這裡超過 25 年了。

I first came here when Pakistan and India were fighting another one of their major skirmishes, which killed thousands of troops high in the Himalayan mountains inside of Kashmir, the Kargil battle that lasted several months.

我第一次來這裡時，巴基斯坦和印度正在克什米爾境內的喜馬拉雅山脈上進行另一場大規模衝突，卡吉爾戰役持續了幾個月，造成數千名阿兵哥死亡。

The language has become much harder and tougher in Pakistan from the military since then.

從那時起，巴基斯坦軍方的語言變得更加強硬。

This is an army, remember, that's been fighting an insurgency on their western border that has actually become increasingly ferocious as the security situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated, and Islamist militants have used Afghanistan as a base and attacked into Pakistan with ferocity, that the army here over the past couple of decades has become tougher and stronger militarily in their ethos, in their outlook, and one can even say in their leadership.

記住，這支軍隊一直在與西部邊境的叛亂分子作戰，而隨著阿富汗安全局勢的惡化，伊斯蘭激進分子以阿富汗為基地，對巴基斯坦發動了凶猛的襲擊，這支軍隊實際上變得越來越凶殘。

So there is a very strong and toughened military from Pakistan's perspective, but also from the way their leadership evaluates the battle space and relation with neighbors.

是以，從巴基斯坦的角度來看，其軍隊非常強大和強硬，但從其領導層評估作戰空間和與鄰國關係的方式來看，也是如此。

It's quite, in military terms, it's a tough leadership right now.

從軍事角度看，現在的領導層非常強硬。

And Nick, drawing on your experience of previous high points intentions, just personally, I remember being in India and Pakistan some 20 years ago in the 2000s when there was concern that there might be an escalation even to a nuclear exchange, granted just concern, and of course that didn't come to be, but place this current standoff in recent historical context in terms of how severe the tensions are today.

尼克，根據你對以往高點意圖的經驗，就我個人而言，我記得大約20年前的2000年代，我曾在印度和巴基斯坦，當時人們擔心甚至會升級到核交換，當然這只是擔心，當然這並沒有發生，但將目前的對峙放在最近的歷史背景下來看，今天的緊張局勢是多麼嚴重。

To give it a sort of, I'm trying to give it a simple context here.

You have a tougher and, if you will, more forward-leaning military.

你們的軍隊更加強硬，可以說更加前衛。

You have a military that in the estimation of most Pakistani civilians has a big influence in the running of the country.

在大多數巴基斯坦平民看來，軍隊對國家的管理有很大的影響力。

It's a tougher, more forward-leaning, more robust outlook and national security decisions would reflect that.

這是一個更加強硬、更加前瞻、更加穩健的前景，國家安全決策將反映出這一點。

This tension has been growing, as you say, it's unresolved for 75 years since the dispute over Kashmir left unresolved in 1947 after the British Empire basically divided India into two countries, Pakistan and India.

正如你所說，自 1947 年大英帝國將印度一分為二（巴基斯坦和印度）後，克什米爾爭端一直懸而未決，75 年來緊張局勢一直在加劇。

Pakistan, of course, Muslim majority, India, Hindu majority.

巴基斯坦當然是穆斯林佔多數，印度則是印度教徒佔多數。

They fought three major wars in the intervening period. 71 was one of the biggest and various skirmishes as recently as 2019 and more subsequently.

在此期間，他們進行了三次大規模戰爭。71 是最大的戰爭之一，還有最近到 2019 年發生的各種小規模衝突，以及隨後發生的更多衝突。

But in the outlook of where the situation is, it is the fact that India has decided to shut off water from these three major rivers that feed Pakistan's agriculture, therefore economy, therefore to more than 200 million population and power generation, which is vital, particularly in the summer when it gets extremely hot.

但是，從目前的形勢來看，印度決定關閉這三條主要河流的水源，而這三條河流為巴基斯坦的農業、經濟、2 億多人口和發電提供了水源，尤其是在炎熱的夏季，這對巴基斯坦來說至關重要。

It's that, I think, that will underpin the thinking and has been expressed to me by very senior security officials here that the water issue is key.

我認為，正是這一點將成為我們思考的基礎，在座的高級安全官員也向我表示，水的問題是關鍵。

And I think just to give a little bit of additional background on the water, this is something that was being litigated in courts in recent months.

我想再給大家介紹一下水的背景，近幾個月來，法院一直在就此事進行訴訟。

And the Pakistani perception is that India had been looking for a legal way to abrogate the terms of that Indus water treaty signed in 1960, had been looking for a legal way to do that in recent months and had taken this particular killing of 26 civilians as a rationale and reason to immediately jump to that position.

巴基斯坦的看法是，印度一直在尋找廢除 1960 年簽署的《印度河水源條約》條款的合法途徑，近幾個月來一直在尋找這樣做的合法途徑，並將這次殺害 26 名平民的事件作為立即採取這一立場的理由和原因。

So this is something that Pakistan has seen coming and therefore they believe that this is not just a sudden decision by India.

是以，巴基斯坦對此早有預料，他們認為這並不是印度的突然決定。