Name: 觀點》雜誌對特朗普總統在 ABC 新聞採訪中談前 100 天的反應 ('The View' Reacts To Pres. Trump Talking First 100 Days In ABC News Interview)
Uploaded: 2025-05-02T03:36:17.000Z
Duration: 7 min 15 s

Last night, ABC News Senior National Correspondent, Terry Moran, was at the White House for a wide-ranging interview with you-know-who that covered the biggest issues of his first hundred days in office, like tariffs, his administration picks, and the accidental deportation of Quilmar Abrego Garcia to El Salvador.

昨晚，美國廣播公司（ABC）新聞資深國家通訊員特里-莫蘭（Terry Moran）在白宮接受了 "你懂的"（you-know-who）的廣泛採訪，採訪內容涵蓋了他上任一百天來的最大問題，如關稅、他的政府人選，以及意外將基爾馬爾-阿布雷戈-加西亞（Quilmar Abrego Garcia）遣送回薩爾瓦多。

薩爾瓦多，我的嘴脣不聽使喚了。

He had some tattoos that are interpreted that way, but let's move on.

他身上的一些紋身可以這樣解釋，但讓我們繼續往下看。

上面寫著 MS-13，那是用 Photoshop 合成的。

So let me just- That was Photoshopped, Terry, you can't do that.

Hey, they're giving you the big break of a lifetime.

嘿，他們給了你一生中最重要的機會。

I picked you because, frankly, I never heard of you, but that's okay.

老實說，我選你是因為我從來沒聽說過你，不過沒關係。

I picked you, Terry, but you're not being very nice.

我選了你，特瑞，但你的態度不太好。

Terry, Terry, do you want me to show you the picture?

特里，特里，要我給你看照片嗎？

哦，你認為它是用 Photoshop 合成的？

別用 Photoshop 了，去看看他的手吧。

He did have tattoos that can be interpreted that way.

他確實有紋身，可以這樣理解。

To echo what Terry said, that image of a tattoo reading MS-13 was Photoshopped.

和特里說的一樣，那張寫著 MS-13 的紋身圖片也是用 Photoshop 合成的。

And it's done, it is quite obviously Photoshopped.

而且，這很明顯是用 Photoshop 合成的。

But, you know, we don't want to cause any issues, but what was your takeaway from this?

但是，你知道，我們不想引起任何問題，但你從中得到了什麼啟示？

He doesn't even recognize his own fake images at this point.

在這一點上，他甚至認不出自己的假形象。

But you know, here's what I, I watched the whole thing.  And I'm really starting to feel sorry for him.

但你知道，我是這麼想的 我看了整件事  我真的開始同情他了

He's over his head, the simplest questions he cannot answer, he knows that only immigration is maybe where he's been somewhat successful.

他的腦子一片空白，最簡單的問題他都無法回答，他知道只有移民問題可能是他比較成功的地方。

It's like, and then he turns on Terry Moran, when he asks, how dare you ask me a question I can't answer?

這就好比，然後他反過來問泰瑞-莫蘭，你怎麼敢問我一個我無法回答的問題？

I mean, the guy, the guy is over his head, and he knows it.

我的意思是，這傢伙，這傢伙是在他的頭上，他知道這一點。

我為我們感到難過，為我們的國家感到難過。

Because, you know, as an attorney, I always believed in the rule of law.

因為，你知道，作為一名律師，我一直相信法治。

And we've always said that this is a constitutional democracy, and we are a country of laws.

我們一直說，這是一個憲政民主國家，我們是一個法治國家。

Especially the Republican party, and especially this president.

尤其是共和黨，尤其是這位總統。

And when you talk about Abrego Garcia, basically, here, legally, being taken and deported to El Salvador, and then you have a federal judge in Maryland that says, bring him back.

當你談到阿布雷戈-加西亞，基本上，在這裡，合法的，被帶到並驅逐到薩爾瓦多，然後你在馬里蘭州的聯邦法官說，把他帶回來。

The Supreme Court then says, facilitate his return.

最高法院接著說，為他的迴歸提供便利。

Then you have President Trump during this interview saying, I'm not gonna bring him back.

特朗普總統在接受採訪時說，我不會讓他回來。

So when we talk about, lawyers talk about a constitutional crisis, ladies and gentlemen, we are here, we are in this constitutional crisis when you have the President of the United States on ABC News National Interview saying, I am not going to do what the Supreme Court, another branch, a co-equal branch, told me to do.

是以，當我們談論，律師談論憲法危機時，女士們，先生們，我們在這裡，我們在這場憲法危機中，當你讓美國總統在ABC新聞全國訪談節目中說，我不會做最高法院，另一個部門，一個共同平等的部門告訴我做的事情。

The constitutional part is the due process, too.

憲法規定的部分也是正當程序。

But there's also a judge's order that he's saying, my administration will not follow it.

但他還說，我的政府不會遵守法官的命令。

I thought that Terry Moran did a very good job, and these are not easy interviews to do.

我認為特里-莫蘭做得非常好，這種採訪並不容易。

And what stood out to me was two things, this MS-13 bit, because it seemed very clear to me knowing Donald Trump that he was not briefed that that is not a real image, and that it was Photoshopped.

讓我印象深刻的有兩點，一是MS-13的圖片，因為以我對唐納德-特朗普的瞭解，他顯然沒有被告知這不是一張真實的圖片，而是經過Photoshop處理的。

這是他的工作人員的一大敗筆。

If they are not before these interviews saying, sir, you should not reference that, this is not true.

如果他們沒有在這些採訪之前說，先生，你不應該參考這個，這不是真的。

And it speaks to sort of a timidity of people not wanting to speak truth to him because they're fearful they may lose their jobs.

這也說明了人們的膽怯，他們不想對他說真話，因為他們害怕會丟掉工作。

But also, when it got into this issue of immigration, Donald Trump won on it in 2016 and in 2024, and for the first time, he's underwater.

但同樣，當涉及到移民問題時，唐納德-特朗普在 2016 年和 2024 年都是以獲勝，這也是他第一次在水下獲勝。

And it's because he's focusing on deporting people without due process under law.

這是因為他專注於未經法律規定的正當程序將人驅逐出境。

What makes America the greatest nation on earth is you get that due process.

美國之所以能成為世界上最偉大的國家，就在於你有正當的程序。

Donald Trump, of all people, should be glad that you're innocent until proven guilty.

唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump）應該慶幸自己在被證明有罪之前是無辜的。

But, he did, except that he was found guilty.

但是，他做到了，只不過他被判有罪。

但是，我的意思是，他得到了這個過程。

But finally, he said one thing that is a glowing success for him, yet it's not what the White House is talking about.

但最後，他說了一件事，這對他來說是一個光輝的成功，但卻不是白宮所談論的。

He's effectively ended the border crisis in 100 days in office, but he's not talking about that.

他在上任 100 天內有效地結束了邊境危機，但他並沒有談論這個問題。

Instead, they're making these, frankly, really horrible videos of people locked up and in chains being dragged and deported without due process.

相反，他們卻在製作這些視頻，坦率地說，非常可怕，視頻中的人被鎖起來，戴著鐵鏈，未經正當程序就被拖走並驅逐出境。

That little kid I mentioned yesterday, that four-year-old boy who went to stage four cancer, and they sent him back with his mother to Honduras without his medication.

我昨天提到的那個四歲的小男孩，他的癌症已經到了第四期，他們沒有給他吃藥，就把他和他的母親送回了洪都拉斯。

And also, one of the things that are, I'm sorry, you go ahead.

此外，還有一件事，對不起，你說吧。

No, no, no, it's actually kind of similar to what Alyssa was saying.

不不不，這其實和阿麗莎說的有點類似。

I came at this interview through a different lens.

我從不同的角度來看待這次採訪。

I know what I think and why I didn't vote for him, but I was curious why, although his numbers are slipping, there are some people, and I'm sure we all know some of them or work with them or are neighbors with some who really believe he's doing a good job.

我知道自己的想法，也知道自己為什麼沒有投他的票，但我很好奇，雖然他的支持率在下滑，但為什麼還有一些人，我相信我們都認識其中一些人，或與他們共事，或與其中一些人是鄰居，他們真的相信他做得很好。

And it all came down, it really did come down to immigration.

But at the border, it wasn't the deportations.

And I think the problem is if he'd get out of his own way and leave the cruelty and the inhumanity of what he's doing with these deportations and focusing on the numbers are 93% down, it's the lowest in history.

我認為問題在於，如果他能擺脫自己的束縛，撇開他所做的這些驅逐出境的殘忍和不人道的事情，專注於數字下降93%，這是歷史上最低的。

If he just focused on that and fixed his process, I actually think he'd garner more support on that one issue.

如果他能專注於此，並修正自己的程序，我認為他在這個問題上會獲得更多支持。

Yeah, but he does so many other things wrong.

是的，但他做錯的事情還有很多。

Well, I know, but the fact that it's right there.

我知道，但事實是它就在那裡。

You know, all of the mistakes that they've been making, going into people's houses, going into the wrong house, deporting children without their parents.

你知道，他們一直在犯的所有錯誤，進入別人的房子，進入錯誤的房子，在沒有父母陪伴的情況下驅逐兒童。

There's a little baby who's been, who she's two, and she's now in foster care because they took her mom and dad.

有一個兩歲的小寶寶，她現在在寄養家庭，因為他們帶走了她的爸爸媽媽。

I mean, it just, listen, everybody wants a fair shot to come to this country, or used to.

我的意思是，聽著，每個人都希望有一個公平的機會來到這個國家，或者曾經是。

This used to be the really, we knew we had problems, but we were doing better than anybody else.

以前確實是這樣，我們知道我們有問題，但我們做得比任何人都好。

The embarrassment of America right now is that we are no longer the country of due process.

美國現在的尷尬之處在於，我們不再是講求正當程序的國家。

We are no longer the country that, no, you know, we're just not.

我們不再是那個 "不，你知道，我們不是 "的國家了。