WEEKEND TRAGICALLY, THIS TIME THREE ATTACKERS TARGETED

CIVILIANS IN THE AREA IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE

LONDON BRIDGE.

AS OF TODAY SEVEN HAVE ALREADY DIED, AND NEARLY 50

OR WOUNDED.

I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE IN CRITICAL

CONDITION RIGHT NOW IN LONDON AREA HOSPITALS.

WE HAVE A

GRAPHICALLY WILL SHOW YOU, THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT'S

BEEN RELEASED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED -- EFFECTIVELY THAT

USED A VAN AS A WEAPON INITIALLY ON THE LONDON BRIDGE BEFORE

GETTING OFF ON FOOT AND ATTACKING PEOPLE IN A CROWDED

MARKET AREA, AN AREA RIFE WITH BARS AND RESTAURANTS AND THAT

SORT OF THING.

A CIVILIAN-HEAVY AREA.

HOWEVER MANY EMERGENCY

CALLS WERE PUT IN, I BELIEVE OVER 100 IN THE FIRST MOMENT OR

TWO OF THE ATTACK, AND WITHIN THE FIRST EIGHT MINUTES AFTER

THAT CALL THE THREE ATTACKERS WERE SHOT DEAD.

MORE INFORMATION

IS COMING OUT ABOUT THE ATTACKERS, WE WILL TALK ABOUT

THAT INCLUDING THEIR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME

NARRATIVES AT STAKE HERE I SUPPOSE -- IT TURNS OUT EXACTLY

WHO THEY ARE I DON'T CARE, THEY ARE ASSHOLES WHO GOT WHAT THEY

DESERVED FOR TERRIBLE ATTACK, AND ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT

THE MANCHESTER ATTACK JUST HAPPENED, BUT EVEN THAT WASN'T

THE FIRST ATTACK IN THE U.K., THAT'S VERY ROUGH.

AND THE

PEOPLE OF LONDON ARE SHOWING INCREDIBLE RESILIENCE,

DURABILITY, AND THAT'S A ROUGH

SITUATION TO BE IN, TO KNOW THAT

THIS SORT OF THING IS HAPPENING WITH MORE REGULARITY.

>>IT SEEMS TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO PUT

DOWN ROOTS A WHILE AGO, GOING BACK TO WHEN THE UNITED KINGDOM

BACKED GEORGE W. BUSH, THERE'S A HISTORY OF WHY THEY DID IT, WHY

7/7 HAPPENED AND WHY PEOPLE WERE OUTRAGED THAT THERE WAS SUPPORT

FROM TONY BLAIR FOR GEORGE W. BUSH, THAT HASN'T SEEMED TO

DISSIPATE.

AND THE WAY THEY'VE TREATED THAT COMMUNITY MANY

PEOPLE SAY IS NOT RIGHT IN THE UNITED KINGDOM, I DON'T KNOW

WELL ENOUGH TO SAY IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT, BUT IT CERTAINLY

HAS BEEN A FLASHPOINT, A FOCAL LOCATION FOR THESE PEOPLE TO DO

THESE THINGS.

THE PROBLEM WITH THIS STUFF IS YOU DON'T KNOW THE

VICTORIES.

IT'S LIKE ANYTHING IN INTELLIGENCE, YOU DON'T KNOW

WHAT'S GOING WELL, YOU JUST KNOW WHEN IT WENT POORLY.

AND THIS

SEEMED LIKE SUCH A HAPHAZARD -- WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL OF THEM,

NONE OF THEM ARE TERRIBLY PROFESSIONAL, BUT THEY ALL DO

TERRIBLE THINGS AND HAVE TERRIBLE RESULTS --

BUT THIS SEEMED MORE HAPHAZARD, EVEN.

>>ANYTIME A SITUATION LIKE THIS COMES UP, THE QUESTION OF

BALANCING CIVIL LIBERTIES WITH NATIONAL SECURITY IS A TOPIC

THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED.

ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT

BRITAIN IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE UNITED STATES -- IN THEORY

IT'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE UNITED STATES WHEN IT COMES TO

CERTAIN PRIVACY ISSUES.

SO THE GOVERNMENT THERE IS VERY OPEN

AND HONEST ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE COLLECTED DATA ON EVERYONE,

THERE ARE CAMERAS EVERYWHERE FILMING EVERY SINGLE MOVE THAT

EVERY PERSON MAKES IN THE PUBLIC, AND SO RIGHT NOW WHAT I

THINK --

>>THEY ALSO CALL SWEATERS JUMPERS.

>>THEY DO.

JUMPER IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING HERE

IN THE U.S. BUT I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS, I KNOW IT'S

DIFFICULT, IS TO AVOID ALL THE DIFFERENT PLAYERS TRYING TO

EXPLOIT THIS TRAGEDY FOR POLITICAL REASONS AND START TO

THINK ABOUT REAL SOLUTIONS, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT

KEEPS HAPPENING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

THERE WAS THE BOMB IN

MANCHESTER TWO WEEKS AGO, AND OBVIOUSLY WHAT WORLD LEADERS ARE

DOING RIGHT NOW ISN'T WORKING.

AND IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS -- BEING LESS POLITICALLY CORRECT ISN'T

GOING TO MIRACULOUSLY STOP ISIS AND ALL OF THESE TERRIBLE PEOPLE

FROM DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

WE NEED REAL SOLUTIONS.

AND

UNFORTUNATELY ALL OF THIS DATA THAT OFFICIALS HAVE AND ALL THE

SPYING OFFICIALS DO, IT'S STILL NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM.

SO WHAT

MORE CAN WE DO?

ALSO, ONE QUICK POINT ON THAT, AUTHORITIES HAVE

RELEASED THE IDENTITIES OF TWO OF THE ASSAILANTS, ALL THREE OF

THEM HAVE BEEN KILLED -- I'M NOT GOING TO NAME THE PERSON BUT

THERE IS ONE OF THEM WHO IS 27 YEARS OLD, HE WAS A BRITISH

CITIZEN WHO WAS ORIGINALLY BORN IN PAKISTAN, BUT HE WAS ON

EVERYONE'S RADAR.

IN FACT HE WAS ON AN EPISODE OF JIHADIS NEXT

DOOR --

>>WHICH EPISODE WAS THAT?

>>IT TALKS ABOUT EXTREMISTS, SOME OF THEIR IDEOLOGY, AND

IT'S AMAZING BECAUSE OFFICIALS HAD BEEN INVESTIGATING HIM,

AND THEN THEY JUST DROPPED THE INVESTIGATION.

>>YOU CAN BELIEVE THAT A PERSON BELIEVES RADICAL THINGS, YOU

STILL NEED -- YOU CAN'T SIMPLY JUST LOCK UP EVERYONE, OF

COURSE.

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE TONS OF PEOPLE WHO THEORETICALLY

COULD COMMIT AN ATTACK.

>>I'M NOT SAYING YOU LOCK THEM UP WITHOUT EVIDENCE --

>>I'M NOT SAYING YOU ARE, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S TOUGH.

EVEN IF YOU HAVE REASON TO BE SUSPICIOUS.

>>I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DECIDED TO DROP THE INVESTIGATION.

INSTEAD OF COLLECTING ALL THIS DATA ON ALL THESE INNOCENT

PEOPLE, I FEEL LIKE THE RESOURCES SHOULD BE FOCUSED MORE

ON INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU KNOW ARE EXTREMISTS.

AND OF COURSE DON'T

PUT THEM IN PRISON RIGHT AWAY WITHOUT CONVICTING THEM OF

ANYTHING, BUT KEEP YOUR EYE ON THEM.

RIGHT NOW BRITISH

OFFICIALS HAVE AT LEAST 500 DIFFERENT CASES OPEN IN REGARD

TO EXTREMISTS AND POSSIBLE TERROR PLOTS.

>>THAT SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT -- TO GO BACK TO WHAT I WAS

SAYING EARLIER -- TALKING ABOUT WHATEVER THEY ARE DOING ISN'T

WORKING.

ACTUALLY IT MIGHT BE, THEY MIGHT BE 99% EFFECTIVE, AND

THEN SOMEONE LIKE THIS IS THROUGH.

WHEN THEY SLIP THROUGH

AND IT DOESN'T WORK, IT'S SO TRAGIC, SO AWFUL, BUT IT MIGHT

ALSO JUST BE THAT THIS IS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL ANTITERRORIST

GROUP, BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

YOU HEAR 500 PEOPLE, THAT MEANS 500 GOT THROUGH.

>>500 CASES THAT INVOLVE MANY PEOPLE --

>>500 INDIVIDUAL CASES THAT AREN'T COMING TO FRUITION AND

ONE DID, SIX PEOPLE, SEVEN PEOPLE DIED -- IT MAY JUST BE --

>>THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE TWO WEEKS AGO.

>>THEY MIGHT BE UNBELIEVABLY EFFECTIVE, IT SOUNDED HORRIBLE

TO SAY, WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING WELL.

THAT MAKES IT

EVEN MORE COMPLEX BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE POLITICS COME INTO IT

AND PEOPLE START USING IT AND GRANDSTANDING AND ALL THAT.

THEY CAN'T EVEN SAY, AND THAT'S A HUGE FRUSTRATION.

>>LIKE YOU SAID, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HEAR ABOUT THE

VICTORIES.

WE HEAR ABOUT SOME OF THEM, I THINK HERE AT TYT WE TRY

TO SPOTLIGHT WHEN THEY SUCCESSFULLY SHUTDOWN THESE

CELLS, NOT JUST IN THE U.K., THAT HAPPENS IN THE U.S. WE HAD

THAT BIG NINE STATE NETWORK OF WHITE SUPREMACISTS WHO WANTED TO

START A RACE WAR BY BURNING DOWN A BUNCH OF CHURCHES, THAT WAS

SHUT DOWN.

IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

BUT THERE IS THE OTHER LAYER OF VICTORIES THAT WE WON'T

EVER HEAR ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S INCREDIBLY SENSITIVE, THEY

NEED TO MAINTAIN BLAH BLAH SOURCES, ALL THAT.

>>THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROVIDING THE INFO, AND THE GATHERING

OF THOSE SOURCES IS DANGEROUS AS WELL.

>>WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE SECURITY AND PRIVACY OF THOSE

UNTIL TRUMP TWEETS ABOUT THEM.

BUT IF THEY ARE COLLECTING

NUCLEAR MATERIAL TO MAKE A DIRTY BOMB, YOU REALLY HOPE

INTELLIGENCE -- IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE

ABLE TO STOP.

BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GET IN THEIR CAR AND

RUN OFF THE ROAD INTO A CROWD OF PEOPLE IN A CITY OF MILLIONS

UPON MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, YOU CAN HAVE THE MOST EFFECTIVE

CRIME-FIGHTING ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD AND I DON'T THINK YOU

WILL EVER BE ABLE TO STOP ALL OF THOSE.

THAT IS A TRAGEDY AND YOU

AREN'T SUPPOSED TO SAY THAT, YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SAY WE WILL KEEP

EVERYONE SAFE IN ALL CASES -- BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S

ACTUALLY TRUE.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACHIEVABLE.

THAT'S NOT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT PARTICULAR CASES.

>>COUNTERTERRORISM IN MY OPINION HAS TO DO WITH SO MANY FACTORS,

NOT JUST SURVEILLANCE, NOT JUST INTELLIGENCE GATHERING -- IT'S

ALSO FOREIGN POLICY DECISIONS BEING MADE, THE TYPE OF RHETORIC

BEING USED BY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS.

UNDERSTAND WHEN I SAY

RHETORIC NOT SAYING EVERY POLITICIAN SHOULD GO OUT IN

PUBLIC AND TALK ABOUT HOW AMAZING THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE

ARE, OF COURSE NOT.

HOWEVER I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE

SURE THAT YOU MAKE IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR FOR TERRORIST

ORGANIZATION LIKE ISIS TO RECRUIT PEOPLE.

IT'S VERY EASY

TO RECRUIT PEOPLE WHEN WESTERN GOVERNMENTS ARE KILLING INNOCENT

CIVILIANS AND MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRIES.

AND THINK ABOUT IN

YOUR CONTEXT, AND FOR ONE SECOND, EVEN IF YOU ARE THE MOST

EXTREME WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ISSUE, PUT YOURSELF IN ANYONE'S

POSITION, PUT YOURSELF IN THESE PEOPLE'S POSITIONS, WHERE YOU

LIVE IN A MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRY AND A DRONE STRIKE WIPES OUT

YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY.

HOW EASY WOULD IT BE FOR YOU TO WANT

VENGEANCE AND TO JOIN A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION THAT ALSO

WANT VENGEANCE AGAINST WESTERN COUNTRIES?

I'M JUST SAYING THAT

AS PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE COUNTERTERRORISM STRATEGY THAT I

THINK NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE MISSING

THE MARK BECAUSE WE ALLOW OUR EMOTIONS TO GET IN THE WAY.

>>THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE

DOING ALL THAT STUFF, RUNNING AROUND THE WORLD AND STOKING THE

FLAMES OF EXTREMISM, CAN'T EXPECT REGARDLESS OF HOW

MUCH INFORMATION YOU GET OR HOW MANY COPS ON THE STREETS,

YOU CAN'T STOP ALL THE ATTACKS.

>>BUT IF YOU STOPPED DOING THAT ENTIRELY, WHICH ISN'T GOING TO

HAPPEN, I THINK THIS IS A GENERATIONAL THING TOO.

THESE

ARE YOUNG MEN WHO CAME OF AGE IN AN AGE WHERE COUNTRIES WERE

BEING WIPED UP BY WAR --

>>AND THAT'S ALL THEY'VE KNOWN.

>>IT IS. AND THERE IS NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EDUCATION,

WHERE THERE IS EDUCATION IS EDUCATION AND IN MANY WAYS

COMING FROM PEOPLE PREACHING EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR.

I THINK IT'S A GENERATIONAL THING, I THINK IT WAS JUST LIKE

THE IRISH REPUBLICAN ARMY, I THINK IT'S JUST LIKE IT WAS IN

SOUTH AMERICA, AND ITALY EVEN.

THERE ARE GENERATIONS WHERE THIS

HAPPENS AND PEOPLE COME UP -- ISRAEL AND PALESTINE ARE

SIMILAR.

THIS SOUNDS TERRIBLE BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYTHING

IS EFFECTIVE.

I DON'T THINK RHETORIC, I DON'T THINK CHANGING

PRACTICES --

>>WHAT DOES EFFECTIVE MEAN?

CUTTING DOWN SOME PERCENTAGE?

>>CERTAINLY, BUT I DON'T THINK RHETORIC WILL CHANGE ANY MINDS.

>>YOU KNOW WHAT'S NOT TO CHANGE ANYTHING?

THE SHIT WE'VE BEEN

DOING SO FAR.

>>IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE DESIRE.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS I

DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE DOING A TERRIBLE JOB, AND IT SOUNDS

HORRIBLE BECAUSE THE THIS KEEPS HAPPENING -- I DON'T KNOW THAT

THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF FIGHTING THIS ARE DOING A TERRIBLE JOB.

>>YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT INVESTIGATORS, POLICE, FBI.

>>RIGHT, AND THE POLICIES THAT SUPPORT THEM AS WELL,

INTELLIGENCE SHARING AMONG NATIONS.

>>YOU ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT MILITARIES ABROAD.

>>OF COURSE NOT, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING.

NOT AT ALL. AND

MILITARIES ABROAD, WE'VE GOTTEN USED TO BEING A NATION THAT HAS

MILITARY ABROAD EVERYWHERE, AND THAT WAS A POSTWAR THING, IT'S

PROBABLY TIME TO REVISIT THAT.

THAT'S NOT EVEN SO EASILY DONE

BECAUSE A LOT OF COUNTRIES WANT US, AND IT EMPLOYS A LOT OF

PEOPLE.

>>IT EMPLOYS A LOT OF PEOPLE, THAT'S A HUGE PART OF IT.

>>WE SAW THAT IN THE RECENT TRIP TO SAUDI ARABIA.

>>A LOT OF COUNTRIES WANT THAT AS WELL.

AND EMPLOYING A LOT OF