Name: Rubio says US prefers diplomacy with Iran as analysts examine consequences of Hormuz closure
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In an exclusive interview with Al Jazeera, U.S.

美國國務卿馬可·魯比歐接受半島電視臺獨家專訪時表示，

Secretary of State Marco Rubio says President Donald Trump prefers diplomacy over military escalation with Iran.

總統唐納·川普傾向於以外交手段而非軍事升級來處理與伊朗的關係。

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Rubio also stressed that Tehran will face severe consequences if the Strait of Hormuz is not reopened.

魯比歐也強調，如果荷姆茲海峽無法重開，德黑蘭將面臨嚴重後果。

There's, uh, messages and, and some direct talks going on between some inside of Iran and the United States, primarily through intermediaries, but there's been some conversation.

實際上，伊朗內部和美國之間，透過中間人進行了一些直接對話，也有一些訊息傳遞。

And I think the president always prefers diplomacy, always prefers an outcome.

我認為總統總是偏好外交，總是偏好某種結果。

這件事我們本來可以早點做的。

I mean, imagine an Iranian regime who, instead of spending billions of dollars supporting terrorist groups and building up all these weapons, had invested that money into Iran, for the people of Iran, so they wouldn't have water shortages, so their economies would provide opportunities for an incredible people.

試想一下，伊朗政權如果沒有把數十億美元花在支持恐怖組織和製造武器上，而是投資在伊朗國內，投資在伊朗人民身上，這樣他們就不會有缺水問題，他們的經濟也能為這群優秀的人民提供機會。

The people of Iran are incredible people, very resourceful, uh, very entrepreneurial.

伊朗人民是非常優秀、非常有韌性、非常有創業精神的。

But it's their regime that's been a problem.

And instead, they've chosen to spend the wealth of their country to support Hezbollah and Hamas and, uh, Shia militias inside of Iraq and to try to destabilize Syria when, when Assad was there, and, um, and, and all over the world to sponsor terrorist plots and build these drones and build these weapons to threaten their neighbors unnecessarily.

相反地，他們選擇將國家的財富花在支持真主黨、哈瑪斯，以及伊拉克的什葉派民兵，試圖在阿薩德執政時破壞敘利亞的穩定，而且還在全球各地資助恐怖活動、製造無謂威脅鄰國的無人機和武器。

So we would always welcome a scenario in which Iran was led by people that had a different view of the future and had a different view, and if that opportunity presents itself, we're going to take it.

所以，如果伊朗由一群對未來有不同看法的人領導，我們總是會樂見其成，如果這個機會出現，我們就會把握。

Not only is the sovereignty over the Straits of Hormuz not acceptable to us, it won't be acceptable to the world.

我們不僅無法接受伊朗對荷姆茲海峽擁有主權，全世界也無法接受。

Number one, it sets a, an incredible precedent.

第一點，這樹立了一個非常驚人的先例。

So this means that nations can now take over wa international waterways and claim them as their own.

這意味著各國現在可以接管國際水道，並宣稱它們是自己的。

Other the Chinese could do it in the South China Sea.

No one in the world is going to accept that or should accept that.

全世界沒有人會接受，也不應該接受。

Now, let me be frank, very f little of American energy comes through the Straits of Hormuz in terms of the energy we rely on, but we recognize the impact that it has on global markets and on our neighbors, especially our allies in the region, who produce energy and have to get it out to market.

現在，我必須坦白說，我們依賴的美國能源，透過荷姆茲海峽運輸的比例非常非常少，但我們知道這對全球市場以及我們在該區域的盟友會造成什麼影響，特別是那些生產能源且需要將能源運往市場的盟友。

So no country in the world should accept it.

所以，全世界沒有任何國家應該接受。

The regional countries in the world should accept it.

區域裡的國家，全世界都不應該接受。

The United States will not accept that condition.

It's an illegal condition that they're demanding.

When, when this operation is over, it will be open, and it'll be open one way or another.

在這次行動結束後，它會是暢通的，而且無論如何都會是暢通的。

It will be open because Iran agrees to abide by international law and not block a commercial waterway, or a coalition of nations from around the world and the region, with the participation of the United States, will make sure that it's open.

要嘛是因為伊朗同意遵守國際法，不阻礙商業水道，要嘛就是全世界和區域裡的國家聯盟，在美國的參與下，會確保它暢通無阻。

One way or the other, it's going to be open.

But we have very clear objectives that we're trying to achieve here.

但是我們在這裡有非常明確的目標要達成。

Those objectives are the destruction of their air force, which has been achieved, the destruction of their navy, which has largely been achieved, uh, a significant reduction in the number of missile launchers that they have, which we're well on our way to achieving, and we are going to destroy the factories that make those missiles and those drones that they are using to attack their neighbors and the United States and our presence in the region.

這些目標是摧毀他們的空軍，這已經達成；摧毀他們的 navy，這也大致上達成了；嗯，大幅減少他們擁有的飛彈發射器數量，這我們也快要達成了；而且我們會摧毀那些製造飛彈和無人機的工廠，因為他們正用這些來攻擊他們的鄰國、美國，以及我們在該區域的存在。

We are well on our way or ahead of schedule.

我們進展順利，甚至比預期還快。

We will achieve them in weeks, not months.

我們會在幾週內達成，而不是幾個月。

And, uh, and then we'll be confronted with this issue of the Straits of Hormuz, and it'll be up to Iran to decide.

然後，嗯，我們將會面臨荷姆茲海峽的問題，這將取決於伊朗的決定。

And if they choose to try to block the straits, then they will have to face real consequences, not just from the United States, but from regional countries and from the world.

如果他們選擇試圖封鎖海峽，那麼他們將面臨真正的後果，不只是來自美國，還有來自區域國家和全世界。

Diving into all of this a little further with our guests in the studio.

我們將深入探討這些內容，並有工作室裡的來賓。

Paul Musgrave, associate professor at Georgetown University in Qatar, a U.S.

Paul Musgrave，卡達喬治城大學的副教授，一位美國

foreign policy analyst, and Hassan Ahmadian is an associate professor at the University of Tehran.

外交政策分析師，以及 Hassan Ahmadian，德黑蘭大學的副教授。

Uh, gentlemen, great to have you both in the studio for this.

呃，兩位，很高興你們今天能在工作室裡。

So this is an interview that, uh, Marco Rubio gave to Al Jazeera, our, uh, Hashem Mahel Barra, who's in Washington, DC, just a short while ago, and there is more of that to come, but there's already a lot in there.

這是 Marco Rubio 接受半島電視臺的訪問，我們的，呃，Hashem Mahel Barra，他人在華盛頓特區，就在不久前，還有更多內容即將播出，但裡面已經有很多重點了。

Perhaps we start with the Strait of Hormuz.

我們或許從荷姆茲海峽開始談起。

What Marco Rubio is saying is that when this war ends, Iran will have a decision to make, okay?

Marco Rubio 的意思是，這場戰爭結束後，伊朗必須做出一個決定，好嗎？

Either they agree to reopen the strait, or an international coalition will force the strait open.

要嘛他們同意重開海峽，不然一個國家聯盟將會強行打開海峽。

It's changed a lot, Paul, but that is where we are, open by force or through a deal.

這改變了很多，Paul，但這就是我們現在的處境，強行打開或透過協議。

I mean, one big thing here is that Pre uh, Secretary of State Rubio is assuming that the war will end, and he's saying that it's going to be weeks, not months.

我的意思是，這裡一個很重要的點是，參議員，呃，國務卿 Rubio 假設戰爭會結束，而且他說戰爭會是幾週而不是幾個月。

Um, but there's a lot between where we are now and what a closure to this phase of the conflict, this war, would look like.

嗯，但從我們現在的狀況到這場衝突的階段、這場戰爭結束的樣子，中間還有很多事情。

Does it involve the seizure of, you know, Iran's oil facilities?

這會不會牽涉到，你知道的，伊朗石油設施的查封？

Does it involve boots on the grounds in someplace like Bandar Abbas or elsewhere in the region?

這會不會牽涉到，像是阿巴斯港或其他區域的地面部隊？

But then the question about what the post-war settlement looks like, you know, I note that Secretary Rubio is not being specific here about who that coalition will be.

但接著就是戰後協議會是什麼樣子的問題，你知道的，我注意到 Rubio 國務卿在這裡並沒有具體說明這個國家聯盟會是哪些國家。

We all know that America's traditional allies in Europe and Asia have demurred calls to participate in any such coalition.

我們都知道美國在歐洲和亞洲的傳統盟友都已經婉拒了參與任何這類聯盟的呼籲。

I do think, however, that he is right that there's a global interest.

不過，我確實認為他在這一點上說對了，這確實是全球的利益所在。

Right, but there was some uh, c two days ago, G7 countries got together, Rubio was there, and there was some interest shown by some countries.

沒錯，但兩天前，七國集團（G7）的國家聚在一起，Rubio 也在那裡，有些國家確實展現了一些興趣。

There's some interest, but this is something that I think that time will tell as the price of oil escalates, as global energy shortages, global fertilizer, global food shortages escalates.

有一些興趣，但我覺得這件事，隨著油價飆升、全球能源短缺、全球肥料、全球糧食短缺加劇，時間會說明一切。

But this is all to say that we're in a position now where the United States is trying to win through force or through negotiation something that wasn't in doubt a month ago, and that, I think, is really I mean, a problem that didn't exist.

但這一切都是在說，我們現在的處境是，美國正試圖透過武力或談判來贏得一個月前還不曾有疑慮的局面，而我認為，這真的是一個，一個原本不存在的問題。

That's an interesting thing that did not exist.

這是一個很有趣，原本不存在的事情。

And this is a scenario that the United States has tried to resist for 50 years, any single player dominating the Persian, the Arabian Gulf, and yet here we are trying to reverse the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, something that in my lifetime has always been ranked as one of the biggest potential geopolitical threats the U.S.

而這就是美國過去五十年來一直試圖阻止的局面，任何單一國家主宰波斯灣、阿拉伯灣，但現在我們卻試圖扭轉荷姆茲海峽的關閉，這在我有生之年一直被列為美國可能面臨的最大地緣政治威脅之一。

Hassan Ahmadian, do you see Iran potentially accepting to reopen the Strait of Hormuz as part of a negotiation?

Hassan Ahmadian，你認為伊朗有可能同意作為談判的一部分重新開放荷姆茲海峽嗎？

Well, it, it is open, as a matter of fact.

It's open only to a few tankers that coordinate with Iran.

它只開放給少數幾艘與伊朗協調的油輪。

That those are, uh the Iranians are saying belong to the aggressors and those working with them.

那些是，呃，伊朗人說屬於攻擊者以及與他們合作的人。

So Iran, how whose supreme leader has said that we are, uh, about, uh, war preparations and, uh, they will get what they lost out of them is force in its hand in this waterway because it's a it's a it's a leverage they have.

所以伊朗，其最高領袖說，我們正在，呃，關於，呃，戰爭準備，以及，呃，他們將從中獲得他們失去的東西，就是他們在這個水道中的籌碼，因為這是他們擁有的籌碼。

And also, it's a source in which they can, basically, through taxes or whatever, uh, get what they lost in the war.

而且，這也是一個來源，他們可以通過稅收或其他方式，呃，獲得他們在戰爭中失去的東西。

When you say taxes, you mean this is what Marco Rubio described as a toll system a couple of days ago where Iran would charge quite a lot of money for each tanker that passes.

當你說稅收時，你的意思是馬可盧比歐幾天前描述的收費系統，伊朗會對通過的每艘油輪收取相當多的費用。

American tanker, Israeli tanker, and those who work with them, that's what the Iranians are saying as part of, uh, what they lost in the war.

美國油輪、以色列油輪，以及與他們合作的油輪，這就是伊朗人所說的，作為他們在戰爭中失去的一部分。

There are lots of damages to Iran's infrastructure.

伊朗的基礎設施遭受了許多損壞。

They're they want to rebuild, and they're saying the U.S.

and the Israel, who did this illegally because there's nothing legal about it.

和以色列，他們這樣做是非法的，因為這沒有任何合法性。

He's talking about the legality of Iran's action in the Strait of Hormuz.

他在談論伊朗在荷姆茲海峽行動的合法性。

There's nothing legal about U.S.-Israeli attack on Iran.

美國和以色列攻擊伊朗，這根本不合法。

But the qu but the question I ask you, and this is important I know you want to come in on this.

不過，我想問你的問題，這很重要，我知道你想針對這點發言。

The question I ask you is, do you see a scenario where Iran agrees to reopen, let's say fully, okay?

我想問你的是，你覺得有沒有可能伊朗會同意重新開放，比如說，完全開放，好嗎？

Reopen fully the Strait of Hormuz for the passage of all tankers as part of a negotiation.

完全重新開放荷姆茲海峽，讓所有油輪通行，作為談判的一部分。

They are under threat right now from this, uh, U.S.

他們現在正受到威脅，來自這位美國

president who wrote on his social media just a few hours ago saying, "Right now we have very good negotiations, but if a deal can't be made, I will bomb." What's the list of things that Donald Trump threatens to bomb?

總統，他幾個小時前才在社群媒體上發文說：「現在我們有很好的談判，但如果談不成，我就要炸。」唐納·川普威脅要炸的清單有哪些？

I will blow up, his words, electricity plants in Iran, oil wells in Iran, Harg Island, maybe desalination plants.

我會炸掉，這是他的原話，伊朗的發電廠、伊朗的油井、哈爾格島，還有可能的海水淡化廠。

So there's a threat, and Donald Trump is trying to present Iran with a fork-in-the-road moment and a binary decision: make a deal or be bombed.

所以，這是一種威脅，而唐納·川普正試圖讓伊朗面臨一個二選一的時刻，一個二元決策：談判或被炸。