Name: 瑞貝卡·崔斯特 - 「憤怒的女孩將帶我們前進」｜每日秀 (Rebecca Traister - “Angry Girls Will Get Us Through” | The Daily Show)
Uploaded: 2026-03-26T21:41:42.000Z
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So there's a lot of different things that anger can be, including political anger.

所以憤怒有很多種形式，包括政治上的憤怒。

I would say that we live in a period in which a certain kind of political anger that is not good is radically shifting this country in a terrible way.

我會說，我們正處於一個時期，一種不好的政治憤怒正在以可怕的方式徹底改變這個國家。

That's a punitive anger on behalf of an inequitable power system and angry people, a lot of angry white men who want to get back their power and are doing an enormous amount of destruction.

這是一種為了不公平的權力體系而產生的懲罰性憤怒，以及那些想要奪回權力並造成巨大破壞的憤怒的白人男性。

Angry white oh, no, there's no angry white men in here at all.

生氣，喔，這裡根本沒有生氣的老外。

This book is about the women who have pissed those men off.

這本書講的就是那些惹毛那些男人的女人們。

So this book is a book about angry women and girls and gender nonconforming people who have been angry at inequity, at injustice.

所以這本書是關於那些因為不公平、不公正而感到生氣的女人、女孩和性別不符者。

And I would argue that that kind of anger is good, can be good.

而且我認為那種生氣是好的，可以是好的。

But also, one of the reasons I'm writing this book and one of the reasons this is an adaptation for young readers of a book that I wrote for adults is because that anger has been underrecognized.

而且，我寫這本書的原因之一，以及這本書是為年輕讀者改編自我寫給大人的書的原因之一，是因為這種生氣一直被低估。

In fact, women and girls and gender nonconforming people are often told that their anger makes them ugly or hysterical or crazy or dangerous.

事實上，女人、女孩和性別不符者常常被告知她們的生氣讓她們變得醜陋、歇斯底里、瘋狂或危險。

And in fact, when I have gone back to get an education that I never got and I had a very good education but was never taught that at the beginning of almost every major social movement that has reshaped this country, not just the officially women's movement ones, civil rights, environment, labor, there were angry women and girls at the start.

而且事實上，當我回去接受我從未受過的教育時，雖然我的教育很好，但從來沒有人教過我，幾乎所有重塑這個國家的重大社會運動的開端，不只是官方的婦女運動，還有民權、環保、勞工運動，都有憤怒的女性和女孩在最一開始。

And their stories haven't been transmitted to us.

而且她們的故事並沒有傳達給我們。

So this is an attempt for me to begin to tell some of those stories that I don't think got recognized or appreciated.

所以這是我試圖開始講述一些我認為沒有被認可或欣賞的故事。

And it's specifically about the anger that didn't get appreciated as catalytic and righteous.

而且這本書特別是關於那些沒有被欣賞為具有催化作用和正義感的憤怒。

Now, it's also a good time to write about history.

現在，也是個寫歷史的好時機。

我們說話的同時，歷史正在被改寫。

Is there any you kind of walk through a lot of characters within the women's movement.

妳有沒有特別介紹一些婦女運動中的重要人物？

Is there anybody who stands out to you in this as particularly important in a moment like this?

在這個時刻，有沒有哪個人讓妳覺得特別重要？

Well, there are a lot of people who are very important.

I will tell you somebody I've been thinking about recently, in part because she just died, a woman named Claudette Colvin.

我來告訴妳一位我最近一直在想的人，部分原因是因為她剛過世，她叫做 Claudette Colvin。

And that's a name that a lot of people might not immediately recognize.

這個名字很多人可能一聽不會立刻認出來。

Claudette Colvin was 15 in 1955, March of 1955, almost exactly 70 years ago, when she, as a 15-year-old girl, refused to give up her seat on a bus in Montgomery.

1955 年 3 月，也就是將近 70 年前，Claudette Colvin 當時才 15 歲，她拒絕在蒙哥馬利的一輛公車上讓座。

This was nine months before Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat.

這比 Rosa Parks 拒絕讓座早了九個月。

Now, the civil rights movement, which had been planning to stage an action around this, did not want Claudette Colvin, this 15-year-old girl, to be the face of that action.

當時民權運動正計畫要採取行動，但他們不希望這位 15 歲的 Claudette Colvin 成為這次行動的代表。

She became a plaintiff in the Supreme Court case that ultimately, in 1956, would bar racial segregation on public transportation.

她成為了最高法院案件的原告，該案件最終在 1956 年禁止了公共運輸的種族隔離。

Her choice that day on that bus actually changed the law.

那天她在公車上的選擇，其實改變了法律。

然而，我們並沒有學到她的故事。

There are a lot of very messed up reasons that were not taught about her and that the movement itself wanted to choose Rosa Parks, who herself is angry in ways we're not taught about.

有好多非常混亂的原因，讓我們沒有學到她的事，而且當時的運動本身也想選擇 Rosa Parks，但我們不知道 Rosa Parks 本人也有我們不知道的憤怒。

But one of the reasons that I think about Claudette Colvin in particular, writing this book for young readers, is that the way she described her choice that day as a high school student was that because she'd been reading history specifically about the abolition movement a century before her, she says that she felt like the ghosts of Harriet Tubman and Sojourner Truth were pushing on her shoulders, gluing her to that bus seat.

但我想特別提到 Claudette Colvin，寫這本書給年輕讀者，其中一個原因是，她描述那天身為高中生所做的選擇時說，因為她一直在閱讀一個世紀前廢奴運動的歷史，她感覺哈里特·塔布曼和蘇珊·B·安東尼的鬼魂在推著她的肩膀，讓她黏在公車的座位上。

And it reminds me of why it's so important that we have this history, that we do tell these stories of anger and resistance, because a 15-year-old girl can be inspired by them 100 years later and wind up a plaintiff in a Supreme Court case that winds up altering the law around segregation and public transportation.

這讓我想起為什麼我們擁有這些歷史、我們講述這些關於憤怒和反抗的故事是如此重要，因為一個 15 歲的女孩可以在 100 年後受到啟發，成為最高法院案件的原告，進而改變關於種族隔離和公共運輸的法律。

You see the import in recognizing the pattern where anger has been, in many ways, whitewashed or sanded down.

你看到了認識這種模式的重要性，這種模式中憤怒在很多方面被漂白或磨平了。

And you're asking people to connect with that anger right now.

而你現在正在邀請人們去連結這種憤怒。

But I think a lot of people also feel the burnout attached with anger.

但我認為很多人也感受到與憤怒相關的倦怠。

How does someone hold that anger, that righteous feeling that they have when they're pissed off at the system?

一個人要如何去持有那種憤怒，那種當他們對體制感到憤怒時所擁有的正義感？

But when I go out and talk to a lot of people who are watching the news, there's no shortage of being mad at it.

不過，當我出去跟很多看新聞的人哈拉時，大家都很生氣。

But almost for self-survival, there's a desire to step back and give yourself that space.

但幾乎是為了自我保護，大家會想要退一步，給自己一點空間。

How do you reconcile keeping that fire burning and also staying sane in this world?

你怎麼調和讓那團火持續燃燒，同時又能在這個世界保持理智呢？

And especially these past couple of years, I've heard that so much from so many people, people who were angry in the first Trump administration and now are tired, right?

尤其是在過去這幾年，我從好多人那裡聽到這個聲音，那些在川普第一任期時很生氣，現在卻感到疲憊的人，對吧？

It's another reason that it's really important to tell a longer and more complex history.

這也是為什麼講述一個更長、更複雜的歷史真的很重要。

And the first thing I want to say is that anger can be a very destructive force.

我想說的第一件事是，憤怒可能是一種非常具破壞性的力量。

I never want to pretend that it can't be.

It can explode relationships between allies, between friends.

它可以炸毀盟友之間、朋友之間的關係。

It can be very combustible and destructive.

We don't talk enough about how anger, shared anger, can also bring people together.

我們沒有充分談論憤怒，共享的憤怒，也能將人們凝聚在一起。

It's the building blocks of organizing and of movements.

And when you discourage people on the margins from expressing their anger, that means they can't let other people know what they're angry about.

當你阻止邊緣化的人們表達他們的憤怒時，這意味著他們無法讓其他人知道他們在生什麼氣。

And they can't hear the other people who might be right next to them in class, on their block, at work, who are angry about the same things and with whom they could form a bond that winds up being supportive, people they can work together with, do organizing,

他們也聽不到身旁的人，無論是在課堂上、街區裡、還是在工作場所，那些對相同事情感到憤怒，並且可以與他們建立支持性連結的人，那些可以一起工作、一起組織的人，

One story in this book is about kids who planned a trans prom.

這本書裡有一個故事，是關於一群孩子策劃了跨性別舞會。

There's celebration in anger and in organizing.

And then there's also people who can spell you when you're exhausted.

而且也有人在你筋疲力盡的時候，能挺身而出支持你。

And so one of the things that I want to stress about anger, including for young people, is that while it can be harmful and hurt, it can also draw people together.

所以，我想強調關於憤怒的一點，包括對年輕人來說，雖然憤怒可能有害且傷人，但它也能將人們凝聚在一起。

So actually, I think that the answer to burnout there's sometimes no answer to burnout.

所以其實，我認為關於倦怠，有時候是沒有答案的。

Community, connection, working together, really listening and paying attention to the people who are angry about the same things you are, how they're doing, how they're feeling, can you help them, can they help you.

社群、連結、一起合作，真正傾聽並關注那些跟你對相同事情感到憤怒的人，關心他們的近況、感受，你能幫助他們，他們也能幫助你。

You talk a little bit in this about your own writing process and how years ago, comedy was a tool many people used as a way to invite people in and still do,

你在這本書裡談到你自己的寫作過程，以及多年前，喜劇是許多人用來吸引人們參與的一種方式，現在也是，

but that you shifted to an angrier stance and immediately found that that was resonating more or it got much more attention.

但你轉向更憤怒的立場，並立刻發現那樣更能引起共鳴，或獲得更多關注。

But when I look at the media landscape right now or the platforms with which people engage, anger is sort of the bar for engagement.

但當我看看現在的媒體環境，或是人們互動的平臺，憤怒似乎是吸引參與的門檻。

So how do you balance what seems to get clicks with actual effectiveness?

那麼，你該如何平衡那些看似能帶來點擊率，但實際效果卻不一定好的東西呢？

It feels like the conversation happens amongst a din of anger.

感覺對話就淹沒在憤怒的喧囂裡。

So that's a question that I think we could ask about almost any era, right, where you're trying to break through, whether that's in newspaper periodicals or whether it's in a television era or now whether it's in an internet clickbait era.

所以這是一個我們幾乎可以在任何時代問的問題，對吧？無論你是想脫穎而出，無論是在報紙期刊時代、電視時代，還是現在的網路點擊誘餌時代。

And there's not an easy answer, except that I think people I think all of us here can recognize and connect with things that are authentic versus things that are performed, right?

而且沒有簡單的答案，除了我認為這裡的我們都能辨識並連結到真實的事物，而不是表演出來的東西，對吧？

You can't perform anger in a way that's going to resonate.

你無法表演一種能引起共鳴的憤怒。

You can perform it in a way that's going to make people laugh, that might make people but I don't think there's a single solution to that problem.

你可以表演一種能讓人發笑的，可能會讓人...但我認為這個問題沒有單一的解決方案。

I think it's a matter of continuing to think hard about what we want to say and to whom we want to say it and how we want to say it and make sure that it's coming from a place that's real and not just trying to get the attention, because people can see through that pretty quickly, I think.

我認為這是一個持續認真思考我們要說什麼、想對誰說、以及想怎麼說的問題，並確保它是發自內心真實的，而不是隻是為了吸引注意力，因為我認為人們很快就能看穿這一點。

Well, I hope that people can't see through it, inauthenticity.

嗯，我希望人們看不穿那種不真實。