Name: 喬·肯特強硬回應：伊朗「偷襲」根本是「無稽之談」！ (Joe Kent doubles down: ‘No intelligence’ of an Iran ‘sneak attack’)
Uploaded: 2026-03-19T16:33:07.000Z
Duration: 11 min 52 s

Was Iran on the verge of getting a nuclear weapon?

You know, three weeks ago when this, this started and they weren't in June either.

其實，三週前這件事開始的時候，他們也沒有，六月時也沒有。

The president's former top counterterror official is doubling down on claims he made in his resignation letter yesterday where he argued Iran posed no imminent threat to the United States.

總統前任的最高反恐官員正在加強他昨天在辭職信中提出的說法，他在信中主張伊朗對美國沒有迫在眉睫的威脅。

Now, the administration disputes what Joe Ken is alleging.

現在，政府正在反駁 Joe Ken 的指控。

But as for who had the President's ear before the war began, Kenton has said some voices within the administration were shut out from the decision making.

但至於在戰爭開始前，誰能獲得總統的信任，Kenton 說，政府內部的某些聲音被排除在決策之外。

A good deal of key decision makers were not allowed to come express their opinion to the President.

許多主要決策者不被允許向總統表達他們的意見。

There was robust debate and robust discussions leading up to the 12 Day War into Midnight Hammer.

在 12日戰爭 和 午夜之鎚 之前，有激烈的辯論和深入的討論。

I'm sure others will refute this is and disagree with me, but

我確定其他人也會反駁這點，而且不同意我，但是

was conducted by just a handful of small of advisers around the president.

是由總統身邊少數的顧問進行的。

Joining me now, former advisor to Vice President Mike Pence and homeland Security adviser during Trump's first term, Olivia Troy.

現在加入我們的是，前副總統彭斯的顧問，以及川普第一任期的國土安全顧問 Olivia Troy。

She also work at the National Counterterrorism Center.

Also here, former senior communications aide Lindsey Graham and Mike Pompeo tw Origi.

在這裡的還有，前資深傳播助理 Lindsey Graham 和 Mike Pompeo tw Origi。

I'll begin with you, Olivia, because you resigned from the first Trump administration.

Olivia，我先問妳，因為妳從川普政府 الأولى任期辭職了。

And I wonder if you're surprised by Kent's comments that key decision makers, that's his phrase, could not voice their opinions to Trump.

我想知道妳是否對 Kent 的評論感到驚訝，他說主要決策者，這是他的說法，無法向川普表達意見。

I think to me this is kind of classic Trump circles, the way it works when you're making important decisions, sometimes people are in the room, sometimes get excluded out of the room depending on who's pushing what viewpoint and so, and

我認為對我來說，這有點像是川普圈子裡經典的運作方式，在做重要決策時，有時候有些人會在房間裡，有時候會被排除在外，這取決於誰在推什麼觀點，然後，

what opinion or follow up viewpoint they want.

他們想要什麼意見或後續的觀點。

So I'm, you know, to hear someone like that say that on who wasn't in the room when you're making such a critically important decision, on whether you're going to engage in conflict, global conflict.

所以我，你知道，聽到像他這樣一個在做這種極其重要的決策，關於是否要發動衝突、全球衝突時，根本不在場的人這樣說，讓我覺得…

To me that's appalling because you would think that you would want all the voices in the room to really debate such an issue and inform the President on all of the options and the repercussions of certain actions that you're going to take.

我覺得這很令人震驚，因為你可能會認為，你會希望房間裡的所有聲音都能就這個議題進行辯論，並向總統說明你將採取的行動的所有選項和後果。

When he takes the advice is a different story as commander in chief.

至於他何時採納建議，身為三軍統帥，那是另一回事了。

But I want to play more of what Kent is claiming about whether this indeed was an imminent threat.

但我想多談談 Kent 的說法，關於這是否確實是迫在眉睫的威脅。

Listen, there was no intelligence that said, hey, on whatever day it was, March 1st, the Iranians are going to launch this big sneak attack.

聽著，沒有任何情報說，嘿，在某個日期，像是 3 月 1 日，伊朗人將發動這次大規模的偷襲。

They're going to do some kind of a 911, Pearl harbor, etc.

他們會做類似 911、珍珠港那樣的事。

They're going to attack one of our bases.

Again, back to what we know about the Iranians.

They're very, very deliberate with the escalation ladder.

他們在升級的階梯上非常、非常謹慎。

And again, they're only deliberate under President Trump's leadership because they knew and they took President Trump very, very seriously.

再說一次，他們在川普總統的領導下才這麼謹慎，因為他們知道，而且他們非常、非常認真看待川普總統。

Do you see this as his claims directly undermining what the administration has said?

你認為這是他直接損害政府說法的說法嗎？

聽著，Joe Kent 是一位服役過的戰士。

He has earned the right to speak freely, and he can resign if he wants.

他有權利自由發言，如果他想辭職，他也可以。

But as the previous guest pointed out, the Iranian threat has always been imminent.

但正如上一位來賓指出的，伊朗的威脅一直迫在眉睫。

And I'm not really sure in the phraseology this is, by the way, a gentleman who advocated for taking out their nuclear sites and their missile depots, who advocated this when he was running for office.

我不太確定用詞，順帶一提，這位先生曾主張摧毀他們的核武基地和飛彈庫，在他競選公職時就主張過。

But I quarrel with the idea of what does an imminent nuclear threat look like?

不過我對「迫在眉睫的核武威脅」看起來是什麼樣子，這個想法有點不同意。

Are we waiting for the bomb to be on the launcher before we decide to take action?

我們是要等到炸彈已經在發射架上，我們才決定要採取行動嗎？

The fact of the matter is Steve Wyckoff was told directly by the Iranians that they had £1,000 or more, 400 something kilograms of enriched uranium that were a hint away from, from being able to be put on a weapon and that they had the inalienable right to enrich uranium.

實際上，伊朗人直接告訴史提夫·威剋夫，他們有一千公斤或更多，四百多公斤的濃縮鈾，距離能裝上核武只差一步，而且他們擁有濃縮鈾的不可剝奪的權利。

So the fact of the matter is this is a president who has made decisive action to bring Iran to its weakest point, to disrupt its proxies, to bring the Gulf states into a coalition with the Abraham Accords, and

所以事實上，這是一位總統，他採取了果斷行動，讓伊朗陷入最虛弱的境地，瓦解他們的代理人，將海灣國家納入與《亞伯拉罕協議》的聯盟，

to bring the Middle east to a new chapter.

This was absolutely the right time to act.

這絕對是採取行動的正確時機。

And I'm sort of surprised that Joe Kent doesn't have the foresight to see that.

我有點驚訝喬·肯特沒有遠見能看到這一點。

And yet, according to the headline, every single day at the Trump administration would have been a day that he could have proclaimed imminence.

然而，根據標題，川普政府的每一天，他都可以宣稱威脅迫在眉睫。

Even after last year, we were told that it had been obliterated in terms of the ability to have, at least in the short term, to have that nuclear capability.

即使在去年，我們被告知，至少在短期內，其擁有核武的能力已經被摧毀了。

But this idea of having dissenting voices or who could provide alternate information, I mean, alternate facts, I mean, information of the intelligence community.

但這種有異議的聲音，或者能提供其他資訊，我是說，其他事實，我是說，情報界的資訊。

I mean, Trump has been quick to dismiss him, saying that he wasn't smart, he wasn't savvy for not believing that Iran posed a threat.

我是說，川普很快就駁斥了他，說他不夠聰明、不夠精明，竟然不相信伊朗構成威脅。

But you'll notice that Kent has been very careful to avoid personally attacking Trump, which I found interesting.

但你會注意到，肯特非常小心地避免親自攻擊川普，這點我倒是覺得很有意思。

Listen, I think we departed personally on good terms.

聽著，我想我們是好聚好散的。

再說一次，我已經是成年人了。

I understand the way I left and writing the letter that there's parts of his administration that are going to have to come after me and try and discredit me.

我明白我離開的方式，以及寫這封信，他政府裡有些人將不得不針對我，試圖抹黑我。

I think the President is someone who listens, yet he's just talking about he was not.

我認為總統是個會傾聽的人，然而他卻說他不是。

People were not comfortable talking to him about this.

I mean, this is something that I think you have a very unique perspective in terms of somebody who has voiced and been vocal about things you disagree with in an administration like this.

我是說，這件事我覺得你擁有非常獨特的視角，因為你曾經在這樣的政府裡，公開表達過你不同意的看法。

How do you think the MAGA world will see him in this interview?

你覺得 MAGA 世界會怎麼看待他這次的訪談？

Well, you know, I think it's part of serving in the Trump administration when you have an opposing view and you're, you know, you're worried about voicing it because you're going to be shown the door.

嗯，你知道，我認為這就是擔任川普政府時期的一部分，當你持有不同意見，而且你，你知道，你擔心表達出來，因為你可能會被趕走。

I mean, we saw Tulsi Gabbard today and she purposely skipped over parts of her testimony because she's walking a fine line now.

我的意思是，我們今天看到了 Tulsi Gabbard，她故意跳過了她證詞的某些部分，因為她現在正走在鋼索上。

Now she has someone that actually is her direct report, right in the same building, by the way, NCTC exists with DNI reporting to her, saying there was no imminent threat.

現在她有了一個直接向她報告的人，就在同一個建築裡，對了，NCTC 存在於 DNI 向她報告之下，卻說沒有迫在眉睫的威脅。

And she's trying to figure out how she's going to navigate that dynamic when she's handling the President as the head of the intelligence community.

她正試圖弄清楚，當她要處理身為情報總指揮的總統時，她該如何應對這種局面。

So I also thought it was odd that she would take the line of like, you know, oh, it's up to the President to decide that imminence.

所以我也覺得很奇怪，她會說「嗯，這要由總統來決定那種迫切性」。

我會說，不，Tulsi，那是你的工作。

And so I think one question that I have here in this whole situation is the head, the top counterterrorism official in the Trump administration has just left his slot.

所以我也很好奇，在整件事情中，我有一個疑問，就是川普政府裡最高級的反恐官員剛剛離職了。

That slot is vacant now, while we are under severe threat from counterterrorism because of Iran here domestically, we're seeing it overseas.

現在這個職位空缺，而我們正因為伊朗的關係，國內外都面臨著嚴重的反恐威脅。

Americans are under threat overseas because of the actions of this administration that they've decided to take.

美國人在海外也受到威脅，這是因為這個政府所做的決定。

所以現在這個職位出現了空缺。

So I think, you know, while Joe Kent, look, I believe he was unqualified for the position.

所以我想，你知道，雖然Joe Kent，你看，我相信他沒有資格擔任這個職位。

So that's what I'm trying to figure out with him.

Like, why this moment to speak out other than, okay, two things can be true, right?

像是，為什麼是這個時候發聲，而不是，好吧，兩件事可以同時成立，對吧？

He's an extremist, unqualified for the job.

他是一個極端分子，不適合這份工作。

But also it can also be true that there was no imminent threat and he disagrees and felt like he wanted to come out and make this point of view made, like publicly.

但同時，也可能是因為沒有迫在眉睫的威脅，他不同意，並且覺得他想出來公開表達這個觀點。

You already hear about cracks within maga.

你已經聽到 MAGA 內部出現裂痕。

You heard someone yesterday saying that MAGA was dead, that the idea of Trump's America First Strategy is not in line with his actions taken in this war.

你昨天聽到有人說 MAGA 已經死了，川普的美國優先策略與他在這場戰爭中所採取的行動不符。

你也看到這些聲音被表達出來。

Look ahead for me as a strategist to the midterms and how this plays out.

作為策略師，請你預想一下期中選舉，以及這一切將如何發展。

你認為共和黨會有什麼樣的發展？

Well, 80 something percent of Republicans agree with the president's actions.

嗯，百分之八十幾的共和黨人都同意總統的行動。

So I think this MAGA thing is completely overblown.

所以我認為這個 MAGA 的說法完全是小題大作。

Yes, of course, you have the Marjorie Taylor Greene's of the world and now the Joe Kent who speak out against any intervention in any country, regardless of the threat they pose.

是的，當然，你會看到像 Marjorie Taylor Greene 這樣的人，還有現在的 Joe Kent，他們會反對任何國家進行幹預，不管這些國家構成什麼威脅。

But the fact that it's or the idea that it's widespread is completely overblown.

但這種聲音很普遍的想法，完全是小題大作。

Look, this is clearly a different administration in terms of their foreign policy viewpoints than the first time around.

看看，這屆政府在外交政策的觀點上，跟上一屆真的差很多。

And heavy is the head that wears the presidency.

當總統真的很不容易，責任重大。

And the president needs to, just like Jefferson before him and all preceding presidents, have to take the advice of everybody around them, but

總統就像之前的傑佛遜總統和所有前任總統一樣，需要聽取身邊所有人的建議，

Jefferson himself, he didn't want a standing army.

傑佛遜本人，他其實不想要常備軍。

Next thing you know, we're outfitting ships for Africa.

結果沒多久，我們就開始為非洲的船艦添購裝備了。

The fact of the matter is every president takes the incoming information and makes a decision they feel are best.

事實上，每位總統都會接收各種資訊，然後做出他們認為最好的決定。

Donald Trump does not want to be another one of the presidents who kicks the Iranian can down the road and believes that we can do it quickly.

唐納·川普不想成為另一個把伊朗問題一拖再拖的總統，他相信我們可以快速解決。

And what you're seeing in the Straits of Hormuz, what you're seeing with the attacks on their Gulf State partners, this is a telltale sign that I'm sure all the intelligence knew signaled the last throes of this regime.

你在荷姆茲海峽看到的，以及你們看到對他們海灣國家夥伴的攻擊，這都是一個明顯的跡象，我相信所有情報人員都知道，這預示著這個政權的最後掙扎。

And he wants to make sure that he puts this to bed sooner rather than later.

他希望確保能盡快結束這件事。