Name: 孟加拉資深部長談哈西娜的未來、與印度的關係，以及「世俗主義」立場 | BBC News (Senior Bangladesh minister on Sheikh Hasina’s future, India ties, and ‘secularism’ stance | BBC News)
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Issue of Sheikh Hasina, will that become central to the development of ties between India and Bangladesh?

Sheikh Hasina 的問題，會不會成為印度和孟加拉國關係發展的重心？

That will be any deterrent to the relationship between India and Bangladesh.

這不會對印度和孟加拉國的關係造成任何阻礙。

Bangladesh saw its historic national election earlier this month with the Bangladesh Nationalist Party winning a clear majority and forming the government.

孟加拉國本月稍早舉行了歷史性的全國大選，孟加拉國民族主義黨贏得了明顯的多數，並組成了政府。

The vote followed the Summer 2024 student led uprising that led to the ouster on of the Awami League government headed by Sheikh Hasina.

這次投票緊隨 2024 年夏季由學生領導的起義之後，該起義導致了由 Sheikh Hasina 領導的人民聯盟政府下臺。

In Dhaka we spoke to Mirza Fakrul Islam Alamgir, one of BNP's senior most leaders recently sworn in as a cabinet minister.

在達卡，我們採訪了 Mirza Fakrul Islam Alamgir，他是 BNP 的資深領導人之一，最近宣誓就任內閣部長。

Sir, thank you so much for giving us this time.

先生，非常感謝您撥冗接受採訪。

I want to begin by asking you the central question which is right now kind of dominating the whole conversation between India and Bangladesh which is the issue of Sheikh Hasina.

我想先問一個目前主導印度和孟加拉國之間所有對話的核心問題，那就是 Sheikh Hasina 的問題。

Now we know that the party has said that you are going to seek her extradition.

我們知道該黨表示你們將尋求引渡她。

But I want to understand how will you do it differently because the interim government has been trying and they haven't had any luck so far.

但我想了解你們會如何採取不同做法，因為看守政府已經嘗試過，但至今沒有任何進展。

To tell you frankly, we haven't worked out the modalities which you should follow regarding her extradition.

坦白說，我們還沒擬定關於她引渡的具體做法。

But what we mean to say that the verdict has been given by guys in the court here.

但我們的意思是，這裡的法院已經做出判決了。

We want to develop our relationship with India and the friendship should be better if India also is progressing the same way and wants to have a better relationship with Bangladesh as a whole.

我們希望發展與印度的關係，如果印度也能以同樣的方式進步，並希望與整個孟加拉國有更好的關係，那友誼就會更深厚。

Because the entire Bangladesh nation wants that Sheikh Hussein should be expertise and she has been already convicted.

因為整個孟加拉國人民都希望 Sheikh Hasina 能被審判，她已經被定罪了。

So she should face the court again, I mean for the execution of the verdict.

所以她應該再次面對法院，我是說為了判決的執行。

But now our new government and the relationship with the Indian government will determine that.

但現在，我們的新政府和與印度政府的關係將決定這一切。

So I'm trying to understand whether the issue of Sheikh Hasina, will that become central to the development of ties between India and Bangladesh?

所以我想了解，Sheikh Hasina 的問題，會不會成為印度和孟加拉國關係發展的中心？

I don't think so that will be any deterrent to the relationship between India and Bangladesh.

我不認為這會對印度和孟加拉國的關係造成任何阻礙。

Sincerely speaking, India is of the biggest neighbor and we have always wanted to have good relationships in India.

說實話，印度是我們最大的鄰國，我們一直都希望和印度維持良好的關係。

Unfortunately, I must say that it was India did not reciprocate in the same way we the BNP wanted it.

不幸的是，我必須說，印度並沒有以我們 BNP 所期望的方式回應。

You're saying that Sheikh Hasina as an issue will not be allowed to dominate the ties.

你是說 Sheikh Hasina 這個問題不會被允許主導雙邊關係嗎？

And the ties will continue of course, whether there's a movement on Sheikh Husin or not.

當然，關係會繼續下去，無論 Sheikh Hasina 有什麼動態。

Let's move on to the other Aspect, sir, the issue of secularism.

讓我們來談談另一個面向，先生，關於世俗主義的問題。

Now we understand that as part of the reforms and the July Charter, the plan is to have the preamble amended of the constitution.

我們知道，作為改革和七月憲章的一部分，計畫要修改憲法的序言。

And secularism, as a word gets out of that, is that true?

也就是說，世俗主義這個詞會被移除，是這樣嗎？

In fact, that's true because you have seen the theatre reforms which have been made public and in fact, in our constitution also in the past also we believe in the freedom of the religion.

其實是真的，因為你們已經看到公開的戲劇改革，而且事實上，在我們的憲法裡，過去我們也相信宗教自由。

In fact, in our constitution, the party constitution also doesn't have the word secularism.

事實上，在我們的憲法裡，黨的憲法也沒有「世俗主義」這個詞。

We have the freedom of all the religions to perform their religions in their own way.

我們有所有宗教以自己的方式進行宗教活動的自由。

And we say that religion is a personal thing and people should be able to perform their religious activities as part their religion and it should never affect the state.

我們認為宗教是個人的事，人民應該能夠按照自己的宗教來進行宗教活動，而且這不應該影響國家。

我們沒有用「世俗主義」這個詞，但

just to understand secularism is actually the separation of state and religion.

只是為了讓大家瞭解，世俗主義其實就是政教分離。

And I'm also asking, because you understand that this country has a population of a big population and 95% of the population is Muslim.

而且我也想問，因為你知道這個國家人口很多，而且百分之九十五的人口是穆斯林。

So we always try to at least honor the sentiment of the majority people that's there.

所以我們總是試著至少要尊重那裡的大多數人民的感受。

So then doesn't that mean that you are in that sense turning towards the majority and as a minority, maybe they don't, they don't feel very comfortable.

那這樣是不是代表你們就是以傾向多數，而少數族群，他們可能，他們會覺得不太自在。

I think here in Bangladesh, everywhere, say for example in 2000, it's in 1975, when President Zia, as the president of the country and India had a very good relationship and the minority never failed.

我認為在孟加拉國，到處都是，比如說在2000年，是在1975年，當時的總統Zia，作為國家總統，與印度關係非常好，少數族群從未失敗。

And even you must probably have already known the fact that this time the minority committee has voted for BNP and they have hope, and

而且你們可能也已經知道，這次少數族群委員會投票給了BNP，他們抱有希望，而且

they have a lot of hope from you because we've also been talking to a lot of people we are determined to.

他們對你們寄予厚望，因為我們也和很多人談過，我們決心要。

But many of them, sir, are uncomfortable about this issue, issue of, you know, biting.

但他們中的許多人，先生，對這個問題感到不安，你知道的，關於咬合的問題。

We spoke to so many of them and they said that while the BNP is, and

我們和他們中的許多人談過，他們說，雖然BNP是，而且

I've seen it personally also, that in your manifesto you talk about the liberation war, you talk about 71 and.

我個人也看到，在你們的政綱中，你們談到了解放戰爭，談到了71年，還有。

And they say, members of the minority community, that we have had our people who sacrificed their lives and then we achieved this, the Constitution of 1972, whose preamble mentioned secularism.

他們說，少數族群的成員說，我們的人民犧牲了生命，然後我們實現了1972年的憲法，其序言提到了世俗主義。

So while you respect the 71 and the Liberation War, you don't respect the sentiments of that and your minorities feel very uncomfortable about it.

所以我尊重71年和解放戰爭，但你們卻不尊重當時人民的心聲，少數族群對此感到很不舒服。

I don't think they will feel uncomfortable this time because we have a very good relationship with the minority.

我認為這次他們不會感到不舒服，因為我們和少數族群有非常好的關係。

You must try to understand that there are differences between wars and between these.

你們必須試著去理解，戰爭之間、以及這些之間是有差異的。

So we are now this time determined to ensure the security of the minority people here, their welfare, their freedom, and

所以我們這次決心要確保這裡少數族群人民的安全、他們的福祉、他們的自由，以及

their right to be placed in the proper place and equality in all respects.

他們在各方面都應享有應有的地位和平等的權利。

So you're basically saying everything, but you're saying that we'll take away the secularism word.

所以你們基本上是說了一切，但你們卻說我們要拿掉世俗主義這個詞。

所以你們明白，這是在序言裡。

我的意思是，在你們的序言裡。

The fourth Amendment, the fifth Amendment, all these things were.

第四修正案、第五修正案，所有這些東西。

So the new things will come out and you will understand that things will be there.

所以新的東西會出來，你就會明白事情會在那裡。

One final question on this issue is that minorities and violence against minorities did cast a very big shadow on India Bangladesh ties, especially in the last 18 months.

關於這個問題的最後一個問題是，少數族裔以及針對少數族裔的暴力事件，確實給印度和孟加拉國的關係蒙上了巨大的陰影，尤其是在過去的 18 個月裡。

How will you ensure it doesn't happen during the BNP's regime?

在 BNP 的執政期間，你們要如何確保這種情況不會發生？

The party itself now is completely taking serious steps for any such activities.

黨本身現在正在認真採取措施，以杜絕任何此類活動。

In fact, the party will ensure the security of the minorities.

事實上，黨會確保少數族裔的安全。

The party will also be there to ensure the security of the monetary.

There will be zero tolerance for us from our part.

我們這邊將採取零容忍的態度。

All right, let's move on to the other aspect.

好的，我們來談談另一個面向。

Bangladesh, we see, especially in Indian politics, is occupying quite a lot of space.

我們看到孟加拉國，尤其是在印度政治中，佔據了相當大的篇幅。

We hear the word Bangladesh, we hear about Bangladeshis.

我們聽到孟加拉國這個詞，也聽到關於孟加拉國人的消息。

How do you, sitting in Dhaka, view the discourse around Bangladesh in India's politics?

在達卡，您如何看待印度政治中圍繞孟加拉國的討論？