Name: 魯比歐談美歐結盟、中國、古巴及伊朗談判！ (Rubio on US-Europe Alliance, China, Cuba and Iran Negotiations)
Uploaded: 2026-02-16T21:44:43.000Z
Duration: 13 min 15 s

Secretary of State, thank you for talking to Bloomberg.

國務卿，謝謝您接受 Bloomberg 的訪問。

程度副詞

You've just made this rather remarkable speech where you talked about the destiny of Europe and America always being intertwined.

您剛剛發表了一場相當引人注目的演講，談到歐洲和美國的命運總是緊密相連。

情態副詞

You talked about an alliance which has stretched all the way culturally from Michelangelo to the Rolling Stones, a first, I suspect, for a Secretary of State, but

您提到了從米開朗基羅到滾石樂團，橫跨文化層面的聯盟，這我猜是國務卿的第一次，但

a culture that has bled and died together.

這是一個共同經歷生死、流血犧牲的文化。

But the very common theme of your speech was the need to share the burden, the need for Europe and America to do things together, which was slightly different from the vice President last year.

但您演講中一個非常共同的主題是分擔責任的必要性，歐洲和美國需要共同合作，這與副總統去年的說法略有不同。

Were you kind of offering a carrot where perhaps he was offering a stick?

您是給了胡蘿蔔，而他可能給了棍子嗎？

I think what the vice President said last year very clearly was that Europe had made a series of decisions internally that were threatening to the alliance and ultimately to themselves.

我認為副總統去年非常清楚地表示，歐洲在內部做出了一系列威脅聯盟，最終也威脅到自身的決定。

Not because we hate Europe or we don't like Europeans, but

並不是因為我們憎恨歐洲或不喜歡歐洲人，而是

And ultimately, it's the fact that we are both heirs to the same civilization.

最終，是因為我們都是同一種文明的傳承者。

it's one we should be proud of, one that's contributed extraordinarily to the world.

我們應該為它感到驕傲，它對世界有非凡的貢獻。

And it's one, frankly, upon which America is built, from our language to our system of government to our laws, to the food we eat, to the name of our cities and towns, all of it deeply linked to this Western civilization and culture that we should be proud of and it's worth defending.

說實話，美國的建立就是基於這個文明，從我們的語言、政府體系、法律，到我們吃的食物，再到我們城市和城鎮的名字，一切都深深地與這個西方文明和文化連結，我們應該為此感到驕傲，而且值得我們去捍衛。

The point is that people, you know, people don't fight and die for abstract ideas.

重點是，人們，你知道的，人們不會為了抽象的理念而戰鬥或犧牲。

They are willing to fight and defend who they are and what matters and is important to them.

他們願意為自己是誰，以及對他們來說什麼是重要的、有意義的而戰鬥和捍衛。

And that was the foundation he laid last year in his speech.

這就是他去年演講中奠定的基礎。

And we add on into this year to explain to people that when we come off as urgent or even critical about decisions that Europe has failed to make or made, it is because we care.

我們今年要進一步向大家解釋，當我們對歐洲未能做出或已經做出的決定感到緊迫，甚至批評時，這是因為我們在乎。

It is because we understand that ultimately our own fate will be intertwined with what happens with Europe.

因為我們明白，最終我們的命運將與歐洲的發展息息相關。

We want Europe to prosper because we're interconnected in so many different ways and because our alliance is so critical.

我們希望歐洲能夠繁榮，因為我們在許多方面都相互聯繫，而且我們的聯盟至關重要。

But it has to be an alliance of allies that are capable and willing to fight for who they are and what's important.

但這必須是一個由有能力且願意為自己的身份和重要事物而戰的盟友組成的聯盟。

You seem to see a parallel between the Cold War and which.

你似乎看到了冷戰和哪個之間的相似之處。

I think I would argue that America beat the Soviet Union because it had a common idea and it had allies on its side.

我認為我會說，美國之所以能擊敗蘇聯，是因為它有一個共同的理念，並且有盟友在身邊。

You're now in a struggle with China, as people say.

人們常說，你現在正與中國進行一場鬥爭。

You've often been a hawk on that subject, you're in a struggle with China.

你在這個問題上經常扮演強硬派，你正與中國進行一場鬥爭。

Do you think you absolutely need Europe to be able to.

你認為你絕對需要歐洲才能夠。

The first, the mentions of the Cold War to remind people of everything we've achieved together in the past, in times when there was doubt.

第一點，提到冷戰是為了提醒大家我們過去一起達成的一切，在充滿疑慮的時候。

我的意思是，今天很難想像，但是

there were those who believed in the 60s and 70s even, that at a minimum, we had reached a stalemate and were that perhaps Soviet expansion was inevitable and that we needed to come to accept it.

在六零和七零年代，甚至有人認為，至少我們已經陷入僵局，而且蘇聯的擴張或許是不可避免的，我們必須接受它。

There were voices that actually argued this.

And so it's reminding people of what we've done together in the past, but

所以，這是在提醒大家我們過去一起做過的事，但是

it's also a reminder that at the end of that era, when we won the Cold War, there was this euphoria that led us to make some terrible decisions that have now left us vulnerable and deindustrialized the West.

這也是一個提醒，在那段時代結束時，當我們贏得冷戰時，那種欣喜若狂的心情讓我們做了一些糟糕的決定，這些決定現在讓我們變得脆弱，並讓西方工業衰退。

It left us increasingly dependent on others, including China, for our critical supplies.

這讓我們越來越依賴他人，包括中國，來供應我們的關鍵物資。

And that needs to be reversed in order to safeguard us.

而這需要被扭轉，才能保障我們。

And so I do think, yes, it would be ideal to have a West supply chain that is free from extortion from anyone.

所以我確實認為，是的，擁有一個不受任何人勒索的西方供應鏈是理想的。

We should never be in a situation where our alliance and our respective countries are vulnerable to extortion or blackmail because someone controls 99% of something that's critical to national life.

我們永遠都不應該處於這種情況，因為有人控制了國家命脈的關鍵物資的 99%，而讓我們的聯盟和各自的國家容易受到勒索或威脅。

So I think we do have a vested interest in that regard.

所以我認為，在這方面我們確實有既得利益。

it has parallels not in that China is the new Soviet Union, but

它有相似之處，不是說中國是新的蘇聯，而是

that in our future, collectively will be stronger if we work on these things together.

在未來，如果我們一起努力，集體會更強大。

Do you worry from that perspective, the fact that, especially in the recent period, various sort of allies.

從這個角度來看，你是否擔心，特別是最近這段時間，各種盟友。

Mark Carney has just been to Beijing, Starmer has just been to Beijing.

Mark Carney 剛去過北京，Starmer 剛去過北京。

Do you worry that they're beginning to drift off too much in that direction?

你會不會擔心他們開始往那個方向偏離太多？

No, I think nation states need to interact with one another.

不會，我認為國家之間需要互相交流。

I mean, remember, I. I serve under a president that's willing to meet with anybody.

我的意思是，記住，我。我是在一位願意和任何人見面的總統手下任職。

I mean, to be frank, I'm pretty confident in saying that if the Ayatollah said tomorrow he wanted to meet with President Trump, the president would meet him, not because he agrees with the Ayatollah, but

我的意思是，坦白說，我很有信心能說，如果阿亞圖拉明天說他想和川普總統見面，總統會見他，不是因為他同意阿亞圖拉，而是

because he thinks that's the way you solve problems in the world, and

因為他認為那是解決世界問題的方法，而且

he doesn't view meeting someone as a concession.

Likewise, the president intends to travel to Beijing and has already met once with President Xi.

同樣地，總統打算前往北京，並且已經和習主席見過一次面了。

And in this very forum yesterday, I met with my counterpart, the foreign Minister of China.

在昨天這個論壇上，我見了我對口的中國外交部長。

So we expect Nation states to interact with one another.

所以我們預期國家之間會互相交流。

In the end, we expect nation states to act in their national interest.

I don't think that is excludh in no way runs counter to our desire to work together on things that we share in common or threats we face in common.

But I don't think visiting Beijing or meeting with the Chinese is.

On the contrary, I think it would be irresponsible for great powers not to have relationships and talk through things and to the extent possible, avoid unnecessary conflict.

But there will be areas we'll never agree on, and

those are the areas that I hope we can work together on.

So you think the rupture that many people have spoken about is illusory?

I mean, even as I speak to you now, there are US Troops deployed here on this continent on behalf of NATO.

我的意思是，即使我現在跟你說話

There are still all kinds of cooperation that go on at every level, from intelligence to commercial and economic.

各個層級的合作，從情報到商業經濟，都還在持續進行。

I think there is a readjustment that's happening because I think we have to understand that we want to reinvigorate.

我認為正在進行一場重新調整，因為我們必須明白，我們想要重振。

This alliance has to look different because the world looks different.

這個聯盟必須看起來不一樣，因為世界已經不一樣了。

This alliance has to be about different things than it's been in the past, because the challenges of the 21st century are different than the challenges of the 20th.

這個聯盟必須談論跟過去不一樣的事情，因為二十一世紀的挑戰跟二十世紀的挑戰不一樣。

The world has changed, and the alliance has to change.

世界變了，聯盟也必須跟著變。

But the fundamental thing that has to change is we have to remind ourselves of why it is we have an alliance in the first place.

但最根本需要改變的是，我們必須提醒自己，我們當初為什麼要有這個聯盟。

This is not just some commercial arrangement.

It is what holds us together in the first place as an alliance is our shared civilizational values.

讓我們先成為一個聯盟的，是我們共同的文明價值。

The fact that we are all heirs to a common civilization and one we should be very proud of.

我們都是共同文明的繼承者，這點值得我們驕傲。

And only after we recognize that and make that the core of why it is we're all allies in the first place, can we then build out all the mechanics of that alliance, Then everything else we do together makes more sense.

只有當我們認清這一點，並將其視為我們結盟的根本原因時，我們才能建立聯盟的各種機制，這樣我們一起做的所有事都會更有意義。

The place where that's being most obviously tested at the moment is Ukraine.

目前這個價值觀最明顯受到考驗的地方就是烏克蘭。

You see all these numbers from the front where the Ukrainians do seem to be doing better in terms of what's happening to the Russians.

你看到前線的數字，烏克蘭在對抗俄羅斯方面似乎做得更好。

Do you think Ukraine or do you think Russia is still winning that war, or where do you place it militarily?

你認為烏克蘭或俄羅斯誰還在贏得這場戰爭，或者你認為軍事上處於什麼階段？

I think that's a difficult war to say anyone is winning.

我認為這是一場很難說誰贏的戰爭。

The Russians are losing 7,000 to 8,000 soldiers a week.

俄羅斯每週損失七千到八千名阿兵哥。

Ukraine has suffered extraordinary damage, including, you know, overnight and again, to its energy infrastructure.

烏克蘭遭受了巨大的損失，包括，你知道的，一夜之間，再次對其能源基礎設施造成損害。

And it will take billions of dollars and years and years to rebuild that country.

而且要花數十億美元和好幾年的時間才能重建那個國家。

So I don't think anyone can claim to be winning it.

所以我不認為有人能聲稱自己贏了這場戰爭。

I think that both sides are suffering tremendous damage, and

我認為雙方都遭受了巨大的損失，而且

在我們看來，這是一場毫無意義的戰爭。

He believes the war would have never happened had he been president at the time.

他認為如果當時是他擔任總統，這場戰爭根本就不會發生。

聽著，我們不會提供武器給俄羅斯。

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