Name: 休斯說參議員凱利因「非法命令」影片遭到非法報復！法官這樣說 (Hegseth unlawfully retaliating against Sen. Kelly over 'illegal orders' video: Judge)
Uploaded: 2026-02-13T17:08:14.000Z
Duration: 10 min 3 s

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Are you concerned that the administration could try to indict you and the five other Democratic lawmakers as soon as tomorrow?

你會擔心政府可能會在明天就起訴你和其他五位民主黨議員嗎？

Of course, you know this president has a habit of doubling down on shitty ideas.

當然，你知道這位總統有個習慣，就是對爛主意加倍堅持。

That was Senator Mark Kelly earlier today reacting to questions about a possible indictment from the Trump administration.

這就是稍早參議員馬克·凱利（Mark Kelly）在回應有關川普政府可能起訴他的問題時的說法。

It comes as a federal judge shut down Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's attempt to punish Kelly over that social media video where he and five other Democratic lawmakers urged service members to refuse illegal orders.

這是因為一位聯邦法官駁回了國防部長裴德·赫塞斯（Pete Hegseth）試圖懲罰凱利（Kelly）的行為，原因是凱利在社群媒體上發布影片，呼籲軍人拒絕非法命令。

The judge ruling that Hegseth's attempt to pursue administrative action against the retired Navy captain was unlawfully retaliatory.

法官裁定，赫塞斯（Hegseth）試圖對這位退役海軍上尉採取行政處分是非法報復。

Secretary Hegseth tweeted in response to the ruling, quote, this will be immediately appealed.

赫塞斯（Hegseth）部長在回應這項裁決時發推文說：「這將立即上訴。」

Sedition is sedition, Captain, with the word captain in quotes.

煽動叛亂就是煽動叛亂，上尉，這裡的「上尉」是引號內的。

美國有線電視新聞網的凱特琳·波蘭斯現在加入我們。

Can you walk us through the judge's decision here?

妳能跟我們說說法官的這項裁決嗎？

Yeah, Casey, the main finding of the judge, this is Judge Richard leon in the D.C.

是的，凱西，法官的主要發現是，這是華盛頓特區的理查·李昂法官。

federal court at the trial level, he's saying that the Pentagon here, they are trying to trample Senator Mark Kelly's first First Amendment protections and his rights to free speech.

在聯邦初審法院，他認為五角大廈在這裡試圖踐踏參議員馬克·凱利的憲法第一修正案的保護以及他的言論自由權。

Now, the reason that the judge is looking at this is because at the beginning of January, after that video had been put out by Kelly and five other members of Congress, all former military or intelligence community members, in that video, they had said, and

法官之所以審視這件事，是因為在一月初，在凱利和其他五位國會議員（他們都是前軍人或情報界成員）發布影片後，影片中他們說，

Kelly specifically said, you can refuse illegal orders.

凱利特別說，你們可以拒絕非法命令。

He's speaking to members of the military and the intelligence community, essentially said, saying that he would have their back if they wanted to refuse an order of the president if they believed it to be unlawful, something like those double tack strikes, those sorts of issues.

他是對軍人和情報界成員說話，基本上是說，如果他們想拒絕總統的命令，如果他們認為該命令不合法，例如那些雙重打擊，類似那樣的問題，他會支持他們。

In this situation, though, the Pentagon wanted to censure Mark Kelly and they wanted to do it because he's a retired naval captain and also because they are very unhappy that he is trying to encourage people, they say, to disobey the chain of command in the military, that he's encouraging disobedience across the military.

不過，在這情況下，五角大廈想懲戒馬克·凱利，他們想這麼做是因為他是一名退役海軍上尉，而且他們對他試圖鼓勵人們，他們說，不服從軍隊的指揮鏈，他鼓勵軍隊上下不服從感到非常不滿。

The judge is stepping in there and saying the Pentagon can't do this to a retired member of the military.

法官介入並表示，五角大廈不能這樣對待一位退役軍人。

You can't censure someone like this and also try and demote them.

你不能這樣譴責一個人，同時又想降級他。

Potentially looking back at a years old file from when Kelly left the Navy.

這可能會回顧凱利離開海軍時，他過去幾年的檔案。

But also the judge is saying, you can't ask us to allow this when you're talking about a member of Congress who's just out there saying what they believe Reminding something that is true for members of the military, that they do have the ability to refuse orders if they believe them to be illegal.

但法官也說，當你談論一位國會議員只是說出他所相信的，提醒軍人有能力拒絕他們認為非法的命令時，你們不能要求我們允許這樣做。

And you can't do it, especially because Kelly is an oversight, a person in a position of oversight over Congress.

而且你不能這麼做，特別是因為凱利是國會的監督者，處於監督職位上。

So this is a very strong ruling in favor of Mark Kelly.

所以這是一個非常有利於馬克·凱利的判決。

It stops the Pentagon from censuring him and from putting things in his file related to this particular video, the don't give up the ship video that Kelly taped in November.

這阻止了五角大廈譴責他，並阻止他們將與凱利在十一月錄製的「別放棄船」影片相關的內容放入他的檔案中。

And the judge is giving Kelly quite something to stand on as they still look and see whether there could be additional action on the criminal prosecution side.

法官給予凱利相當大的籌碼，因為他們仍在觀察是否可能會有額外的刑事起訴行動。

We know the Justice Department wanted to charge Kelly with a crime as well as the others in that video, and

我們知道司法部也想起訴凱利和影片中的其他人，

Earlier this week, the judge saying that in this situation, the Pentagon should not be treating him like this.

本週稍早，法官表示，在此情況下，五角大廈不應該這樣對待他。

And as a retired veteran, retired veterans themselves deserve more respect from the government.

而且作為一名退役軍人，退役軍人本身就應該受到政府更多的尊重。

I do believe in the First Amendment, and I do believe in Mark Kelly's rights to do this.

我確實相信第一修正案，也相信馬克·凱利有權這麼做。

But the only thing that I think that is shitty is not what Pete Hegseth and the administration is trying to do, is rather Mark Kelly and his five colleagues trying to politicize and stir up the US Military and military members in an incredibly political way.

但我認為很糟糕的是，並非裴德·赫塞斯和政府試圖做的事，而是馬克·凱利和他的五位同事，試圖以極度政治化的方式將美國軍隊和軍人政治化並煽動他們。

And so I think the First Amendment protects their stupidity, but they should be really ashamed.

所以我認為第一修正案保護了他們的愚蠢，但他們真的應該感到羞恥。

And Mark Kelly shouldn't be out there thumping his chest.

If you're in the military, everybody knows you don't have to follow illegal orders.

如果你在軍隊裡，大家都知道你不用聽從非法命令。

Every private, every E1, every newly enlisted soldier knows that all the way up to general officers.

從每個列兵、每個E1、每個新入伍的阿兵哥，到將軍，都知道這件事。

So what they were trying to do is politicize the military in an overt fashion, and

所以他們試圖做的，就是公開地將軍隊政治化，而且

He should not be thumping his chest for political gain.

他不該為了政治利益到處炫耀。

And is the Trump administration, David, not essentially doing the same thing, politicizing the military by using the apparatus of the federal government to go after these guys?

川普政府，大衛，難道不是在做同樣的事嗎？利用聯邦政府的體系來對付這些人，藉此將軍隊政治化？

You know, Casey, I think they have every right to be upset here.

凱西，我覺得他們有權感到不滿。

I do think the First Amendment protects them, however stupid it is.

我認為憲法第一修正案保護他們，不管多蠢。

There are certain things that when you're a retired person and retired member of the military like Mark Kelly, he may be able to be reduced in rank or have his pay docked at some point because he's still receiving his military pension.

有些事情，當你像馬克·凱利這樣退休的軍人時，你可能會因為仍在領取軍人終身俸而被降級或扣薪。

So I'm not quite, you know, I'm not An expert at the nuances of the pay structure.

所以我不太確定，我不是薪資結構細節方面的專家。

I think Mark Kelly should be embarrassed and ashamed and look, it's his First Amendment right to do so.

我認為馬克·凱利應該感到羞愧和難堪，而且，這是他的憲法第一修正案權利。

Well, I just, I think it's pretty clearly Trump and the Trump administration who thinks this was a political fight they wanted to have.

嗯，我只是覺得，這很明顯是川普和川普政府認為這是一場他們想打的政治戰。

I mean, these members of Congress were simply stating, as you said, David, they were simply stating a fact that is known to every member of the military.

我的意思是，這些國會議員就像你說的，大衛，他們只是陳述了一個每個軍人都知道的事實。

They are not required to follow illegal orders.

If Trump didn't want to make this a big political fight, he should have simply ignored it or said, yeah, couldn't agree more and moved on.

如果川普不想讓這變成一場重大的政治鬥爭，他大可以忽略它，或者說「對，我完全同意」然後繼續。

I mean, they're clearly wanted to have the fight.

我的意思是，他們顯然是想打這場仗。

I think they were trying to impute that something in the Trump administration, that the Trump administration were war criminals and they were doing things that were illegal.

我認為他們是想暗示川普政府裡有人，川普政府是戰犯，而且他們做了違法的事情。

That is way outside of anything that's even close.

這遠遠超出了任何可以接受的範圍。

You know, you don't mess around in these waters.

你知道，你不能在這種水域裡亂來。

I think they were expressing concern about the fact that Congress had not been briefed and relevant committees of jurisdiction had not been briefed on potential military action.

我認為他們是在表達對國會沒有收到簡報，以及相關管轄委員會沒有收到關於潛在軍事行動簡報的擔憂。

在監督機制裡有處理這種事情的方式。

And so, and so you do that in oversight, you do it in an oversight hearing.

所以，所以你透過監督機制來做，你在監督聽證會上來做。

If Trump wanted to, if Trump didn't want to make this a big political fight, then he wouldn't have taken the bait jump in here.

如果川普想避免這場政治大戰，他就不會上鉤。

I mean, if this was a political fight that Trump and Hegseth wanted, they lost big time.

我是說，如果這場政治戰是川普和裴德·赫塞斯想要的，他們就大輸特輸了。

There's a thing in elections that you can't buy it's name id.

選舉中有件事是買不到的，那就是名聲。

And Trump and Hegseth just gave Mark Kelly, a man who by his own admission is looking to run for president in 2028.

而川普和裴德·赫塞斯卻送給了馬克·凱利，一個他自己承認正在考慮競選2028年總統的人。

They just gave him such a gift, this one, two punch.

他們給了他一個大禮，這週的組合拳。

I'm just talking the raw politics of it, the one, two punch this week, of the failure to get a grand jury to indict.

我只是在談論這件事的純粹政治面，本週的組合拳，關於未能讓大陪審團起訴。

Right, A grand jury that should be able to indict a ham sandwich.

對，一個應該能起訴火腿三明治的大陪審團。

Regular people did not agree that these people should be indicted.

一般民眾不同意這些人應該被起訴。

And this judge saying, yeah, of course Mark Kelly has First Amendment rights.

而這位法官說，當然，馬克·凱利擁有第一修正案的權利。

Whatever you think of the merits of what these lawmakers said, again, they just stated a fact.

不管你怎麼看這些民意代表說的話，再說一次，他們只是陳述事實。

Of course it's protected by the First Amendment.

And I think Trump thought he'd win this fight.

我認為川普覺得他會贏得這場戰鬥。

Pete Hegseth thought they'd win this fight and look tough against Mark Kelly.

裴德·赫塞斯認為他們會贏得這場戰鬥，並在對抗馬克·凱利時展現強硬。

But let me tell you, Mark Kelly, his face and name are splashed all over the cable news networks this week, and

但我要告訴你，馬克·凱利的臉和名字這週都充斥著有線電視新聞網，而且

they have been in the weeks since the Trump administration tried to do this.

自從川普政府試圖這麼做以來，這幾週來都是如此。

He just vaulted to the top, I think, of a lot of people's Democratic nominee lists.

我認為他一躍成為許多人民主黨候選人名單上的首選。

And let me tell you, I know a lot of Arizona politicos and operatives.

而且我告訴你，我認識很多亞歷桑那州的政治人物和幕僚。